[Emurlahn]

I don't think we'll know who purchases things, so it will be hard to track that. (Correct me if I'm wrong, please)

[Hood's Path]

Emurlahn, on 03 January 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

I don't think we'll know who purchases things, so it will be hard to track that. (Correct me if I'm wrong, please)

yeah it seems that that is anonymous (unless you catch someone doing 2 day actions then you know they have the water clock or you fail to assassinate someone you know has low CS then you know they might have gotten the djinn, etc)


edit: added "fail to"

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 03 January 2012 - 03:51 PM

[Kaschan]

Holy crap. 4 pages already. When did the game start?

[Kaschan]

This will take a while. Don't expect too much from yet.

[Kaschan]

Okay I was skimming some of PS posts to see what is on the market and I don't see anything. Maybe he doesn't post that everytime he does a vote count. Still trying to get a grip on the phases and new mechanics.

[Path-Shaper]

The Bazaar is updated. New items in Green, sold items in Red, out of stock items struck through.

The Bazaar has the following goods for sale:

Sandstone: 4000 dinari.
Water: 4000 dinari.
Metal: 4000 dinari.
Livestock: 4000 dinari.
Slaves: 4000 dinari.
Weapons: 9000 dinari
Livestock (2): 2000 dinari
Artefact (1): 10000 dinari
Weapons (2): 8000 dinari
Magic (2): 8000 dinari

The Bazaar offers to buy the following:
Sandstone: 1000 dinari.
Water: 1000 dinari.
Metal: 1000 dinari.
Livestock: 1000 dinari.
Slaves: 1000 dinari.
Weapons: 3000 dinari.
politics: 1000 dinari.

Items, Retainers, Titles (see page 1, post #9 for description:
Al-Shazar's Bag of Plenty (1): 13000 dinari
Addas' Spyglass (1): 17000 dinari
Amaq's Torn-out Tearduct (1): 17000 dinari
Water Clock (3): 4000 dinari
Peasant Levy (10): 6000 dinari
Mercenary Irregulars (7): 10000 dinari
Court Eunuch (2): 10000 dinari
Tax Collector of the South (0): 15000 dinari
Governor of Ishktar Oasis (1): 22000 dinari

There is 1 Contracts to be fulfilled.
The first player to put up Armor on the market, receives 2000 dinari.

13 players have checked in. 1 to check in before the Bazaar is closed to new goods/ items/ contracts being put up.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Just had a thought regarding the armour. Even if someone put it on the market someone would have to buy it, if they waited to do this at the right time then they could receive the 2000 dinari but someone else get the armour. It seems strange that someone would do that. It seems a waste.

[Hood's Path]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 03 January 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

Just had a thought regarding the armour. Even if someone put it on the market someone would have to buy it, if they waited to do this at the right time then they could receive the 2000 dinari but someone else get the armour. It seems strange that someone would do that. It seems a waste.

The way I"m interpreting the contract, I think someone just has to put it on the market and they get the 2000 offered by the contract. They could put it up with a price of a million dinari and they"d win the contract but be assured no one can actually buy it so they"d get it back as unsold at Dusk.

[Kaschan]

Serc, on 02 January 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Well, "trying to catch up" was a bit optimistic.

I think I get the phases, I start to understand the Bazaar, I'm not certain I get what actions are, and I finally saw the tiny bit with the victory conditions.

I feel a bit like when I play a RPG, I don't care about the story I just want to get some loot and the snazziest armor.

To me an RPG is all about the story and the rest is just filler. Though getting the loot and best gear does make getting to the end of the story much easier so I will forgive you that comment

[Kaschan]

Eloth, on 02 January 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Yep, I agree, I would say not all the factions (or even most of them) are present here.

At a guess, to judge from the OP, I would say Nepeth army faction (rather than the court etc.) has representatives in this game; the Qadi of Loathing, Tarkin the Bitter-Hearted is here also; the White Foal Clan of the Khanates; and some people from the Houses of Agreement.

Of the last, I'm not sure whether to think that they're all from the House of Magic like Delat (who we know is here because of the scene where he bought the Tax Collector title), or representatives from various houses.

Okay I agree with you on the Nepeth army faction and the House of Agreement members but where do you get the Qadi of Loathing and Tarkin the Bitter-Hearted or the While Foal Clan of the Khanates? Might have to reread the OP yet again.

[Hood's Path]

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Serc, on 02 January 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Well, "trying to catch up" was a bit optimistic.

I think I get the phases, I start to understand the Bazaar, I'm not certain I get what actions are, and I finally saw the tiny bit with the victory conditions.

I feel a bit like when I play a RPG, I don't care about the story I just want to get some loot and the snazziest armor.

To me an RPG is all about the story and the rest is just filler. Though getting the loot and best gear does make getting to the end of the story much easier so I will forgive you that comment

Semantic opinions? RPGs have item collection and character stats, as does this game, so it is indeed like an RPG and if you want story well the first post has plenty

[Hood's Path]

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Eloth, on 02 January 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Yep, I agree, I would say not all the factions (or even most of them) are present here.

At a guess, to judge from the OP, I would say Nepeth army faction (rather than the court etc.) has representatives in this game; the Qadi of Loathing, Tarkin the Bitter-Hearted is here also; the White Foal Clan of the Khanates; and some people from the Houses of Agreement.

Of the last, I'm not sure whether to think that they're all from the House of Magic like Delat (who we know is here because of the scene where he bought the Tax Collector title), or representatives from various houses.

Okay I agree with you on the Nepeth army faction and the House of Agreement members but where do you get the Qadi of Loathing and Tarkin the Bitter-Hearted or the While Foal Clan of the Khanates? Might have to reread the OP yet again.

Go reread the OP or just read this thread where I/we have outlined it very very clearly.

Also change your avatar.

[Kaschan]

Okay. Just looks like I needed one more post by HP that cleared all that up.

[Kaschan]

Hood, on 03 January 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Eloth, on 02 January 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Yep, I agree, I would say not all the factions (or even most of them) are present here.

At a guess, to judge from the OP, I would say Nepeth army faction (rather than the court etc.) has representatives in this game; the Qadi of Loathing, Tarkin the Bitter-Hearted is here also; the White Foal Clan of the Khanates; and some people from the Houses of Agreement.

Of the last, I'm not sure whether to think that they're all from the House of Magic like Delat (who we know is here because of the scene where he bought the Tax Collector title), or representatives from various houses.

Okay I agree with you on the Nepeth army faction and the House of Agreement members but where do you get the Qadi of Loathing and Tarkin the Bitter-Hearted or the While Foal Clan of the Khanates? Might have to reread the OP yet again.

Go reread the OP or just read this thread where I/we have outlined it very very clearly.

Also change your avatar.

Only if you change yours to something that I can actually see.

[Hood's Path]

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Hood, on 03 January 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 03 January 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Eloth, on 02 January 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Yep, I agree, I would say not all the factions (or even most of them) are present here.

At a guess, to judge from the OP, I would say Nepeth army faction (rather than the court etc.) has representatives in this game; the Qadi of Loathing, Tarkin the Bitter-Hearted is here also; the White Foal Clan of the Khanates; and some people from the Houses of Agreement.

Of the last, I'm not sure whether to think that they're all from the House of Magic like Delat (who we know is here because of the scene where he bought the Tax Collector title), or representatives from various houses.

Okay I agree with you on the Nepeth army faction and the House of Agreement members but where do you get the Qadi of Loathing and Tarkin the Bitter-Hearted or the While Foal Clan of the Khanates? Might have to reread the OP yet again.

Go reread the OP or just read this thread where I/we have outlined it very very clearly.

Also change your avatar.

Only if you change yours to something that I can actually see.

Mine is perfectly visible. Maybe you just need to Ctrl+f5???

[Path-Shaper]

The Bazaar is updated. New items in Green, sold items in Red, out of stock items struck through.

The Bazaar has the following goods for sale:

Sandstone: 4000 dinari.
Water: 4000 dinari.
Metal: 4000 dinari.
Livestock: 4000 dinari.
Slaves: 4000 dinari.
Weapons: 9000 dinari
Livestock (1): 2000 dinari
Artefact (1): 10000 dinari
Weapons (2): 8000 dinari
Weapons (1): 5000 dinari
Magic (2): 8000 dinari

The Bazaar offers to buy the following:
Sandstone: 1000 dinari.
Water: 1000 dinari.
Metal: 1000 dinari.
Livestock: 1000 dinari.
Slaves: 1000 dinari.
Weapons: 3000 dinari.
politics: 1000 dinari.

Items, Retainers, Titles (see page 1, post #9 for description:
Al-Shazar's Bag of Plenty (1): 13000 dinari
Addas' Spyglass (1): 17000 dinari
Amaq's Torn-out Tearduct (1): 17000 dinari
Water Clock (3): 4000 dinari
Peasant Levy (10): 6000 dinari
Mercenary Irregulars (7): 10000 dinari
Court Eunuch (2): 10000 dinari
Tax Collector of the South (0): 15000 dinari
Governor of Ishktar Oasis (1): 22000 dinari



here is 1 Contracts to be fulfilled.
The first player to put up Armor on the market, receives 2000 dinari.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 January 2012 - 06:32 PM

[Hood's Path]

Path-Shaper, on 03 January 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

The Bazaar is updated. New items in Green, sold items in Red, out of stock items struck through.

The Bazaar has the following goods for sale:

Sandstone: 4000 dinari.
Water: 4000 dinari.
Metal: 4000 dinari.
Livestock: 4000 dinari.
Slaves: 4000 dinari.
Weapons: 9000 dinari
Livestock (1): 2000 dinari
Artefact (1): 10000 dinari
Weapons (2): 8000 dinari
Weapons (1): 5000 dinari
Magic (2): 8000 dinari

The Bazaar offers to buy the following:
Sandstone: 1000 dinari.
Water: 1000 dinari.
Metal: 1000 dinari.
Livestock: 1000 dinari.
Slaves: 1000 dinari.
Weapons: 3000 dinari.
politics: 1000 dinari.

Items, Retainers, Titles (see page 1, post #9 for description:
Al-Shazar's Bag of Plenty (1): 13000 dinari
Addas' Spyglass (1): 17000 dinari
Amaq's Torn-out Tearduct (1): 17000 dinari
Water Clock (3): 4000 dinari
Peasant Levy (10): 6000 dinari
Mercenary Irregulars (7): 10000 dinari
Court Eunuch (2): 10000 dinari
Tax Collector of the South (0): 15000 dinari
Governor of Ishktar Oasis (1): 22000 dinari

So do you think Silencer is the one selling the sheep because he has so much or he's buying them because he is into that sorta thing?

(note this is just a NZ joke not meta )

[Galain]

So let's look at the Bazaar

. It looks like someone snapped up one of the Livestock. That doesn't really give us much info, Livestock could be used for a number of things.

It also looks like someone undercut the 2 weapons by 8000 dinari. Quite the undercut. This makes me think that maybe the people who need weapons aren't yet ready to purchase them, instead going for something else. Probably water, that seems like the biggest limiter to those who can get armies. Although we've also seen armour, so maybe the attackers started with enough weapons, and only need to buy armour as of now, and weapons will become more important later after retainers have died. Or it means nothing.

No one has purchased any retainers, not that I'm surprised on the first day.

No one has purchased any items since the last purchase of a waterclock, and the remaining title is still available.

It seems the contract has been taken down. Whoever put it up must have been spooked by the easy fulfillment of the contract. Makes sense.

@Tapper:

Is it considered meta to make a case based on the time someone was posting in thread vs the updates of the Bazaar? I don't intend to, but that seems like it could play a MAJOR part in this game.

[Hood's Path]

Galain, on 03 January 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

So let's look at the Bazaar

. It looks like someone snapped up one of the Livestock. That doesn't really give us much info, Livestock could be used for a number of things.

It also looks like someone undercut the 2 weapons by 8000 dinari. Quite the undercut. This makes me think that maybe the people who need weapons aren't yet ready to purchase them, instead going for something else. Probably water, that seems like the biggest limiter to those who can get armies. Although we've also seen armour, so maybe the attackers started with enough weapons, and only need to buy armour as of now, and weapons will become more important later after retainers have died. Or it means nothing.

No one has purchased any retainers, not that I'm surprised on the first day.

No one has purchased any items since the last purchase of a waterclock, and the remaining title is still available.

It seems the contract has been taken down. Whoever put it up must have been spooked by the easy fulfillment of the contract. Makes sense.

@Tapper:

Is it considered meta to make a case based on the time someone was posting in thread vs the updates of the Bazaar? I don't intend to, but that seems like it could play a MAJOR part in this game.

Hopefully yes or we"ll be encouraging lurking to keep your purchases/offerings secret but I"ll wait to see what Tapper says. This is generally always a concern in games with ironman actions

[Path-Shaper]

Galain, on 03 January 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

So let's look at the Bazaar

. It looks like someone snapped up one of the Livestock. That doesn't really give us much info, Livestock could be used for a number of things.

It also looks like someone undercut the 2 weapons by 8000 dinari. Quite the undercut. This makes me think that maybe the people who need weapons aren't yet ready to purchase them, instead going for something else. Probably water, that seems like the biggest limiter to those who can get armies. Although we've also seen armour, so maybe the attackers started with enough weapons, and only need to buy armour as of now, and weapons will become more important later after retainers have died. Or it means nothing.

No one has purchased any retainers, not that I'm surprised on the first day.

No one has purchased any items since the last purchase of a waterclock, and the remaining title is still available.

It seems the contract has been taken down. Whoever put it up must have been spooked by the easy fulfillment of the contract. Makes sense.

@Tapper:

Is it considered meta to make a case based on the time someone was posting in thread vs the updates of the Bazaar? I don't intend to, but that seems like it could play a MAJOR part in this game.

Well, it is meta.
The question is, can you use it? Yes you can, at the least in your notes and deductions and opinions, even when it isn't an element that I'd like to see pop up as an argument in cases (fyi, I dislike meta in cases in this game ), also because there is a significant downtime when I am not modding.

Question 2: can something be done against it? Absolutely. This gameday, we have had a rather incredibly long time in which people can put goods on the market because we still lack 1 player. On the next game day, maybe people can send in their sales early on, so I can update the bazaar in bulk?