[HoosierDaddy]

I only viewed the map and the second page of the DP. My will power is almost 9000!

[MillionSpots]

Oh my god WANT
Now if only the rest of the damn pages would load...

Looking at the list of the Seguleh, I'm surprised to find someone named Beru.

[HoosierDaddy]

By the way, Christ Almighty those shards of Moon's Spawn traveled FAR.

Almost unbelievably far. Unless they were shed underwater on the trip from Darujhistan on some sort of backwards pattern to Coral.

[Illuyankas]

MillionSpots, on 24 December 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:

Oh my god WANT
Now if only the rest of the damn pages would load...

Looking at the list of the Seguleh, I'm surprised to find someone named Beru.

You are surprised ICE has a derivative four letter name for a character?

[JLV]

Beru is the name of a god.

[HoosierDaddy]

JLV, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!

[D'rek]

MillionSpots, on 24 December 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:

Oh my god WANT
Now if only the rest of the damn pages would load...

Looking at the list of the Seguleh, I'm surprised to find someone named Beru.

It should read Senu...

Anyone know an email address at the publishers we can spam to correct it?

[Asharak]

"It's not precise when the end of TCG in relation to DoD is, but it seems like (very roughly) a year or so."


Nope, TCG ends 3-4 months after DoD. The battles at the end of the book take place 3 months after the meating between Tavore and her allies.

This post has been edited by Asharak: 24 December 2011 - 09:59 AM

[Urizen]

I'm really disapointed that Iskaral Pust is absent from the DP. I was looking forward to some whacky Pust shenanigans. Also, what's soldiers from the Second army doing on Genebackis, I thought they all went with Paran to Kolanese?

[Tapper]

D, on 24 December 2011 - 01:55 AM, said:

OK I caved

Sinisdar & Tapper:

Spoiler

Where did it say Jan was brother to Mok???

The Dramatis Personae lists Thurule (Mok's middle brother) as still Lady Envy's guard, but Senu (the youngest brother) is one of the Thirtieth and hangs out with Jan, Palla and co.

re Oru getting promoted -> not necessarily. The quote from RotCG was:
'I tried to get a good look at Oru's mask. If I'm right, he's ranked among the top twenty.'

It will also be interesting to see if there's any mention of someone with the rank of 12th, same as the female Seguleh from RG (who was beaten by Karsa)

Spoiler

Jan says it himself, or thinks it - something like 'his elder brother Mok'.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 24 December 2011 - 03:39 PM

[Imperial Historian]

I'm not convinced that Beru is Senu D'rek. The only reference to Mok's brother is to Jan "for all new Jan's feelings regarding Mok, his elder brother, who volunteered to silence those disrespectful pannions. and who returned ... changed. Broken."

Beru is mentioned frequently in the text, and doesn't seem to be linked to Senu in any way, unless I'm missing something.

Re the seguleh, there certainly does seem to be some differences from the erikson canon, the seguleh fighting with 2 handed longswords is different, but not unsurprising as we have seen seguleh such as the second fighting with weapons other than the two blades most of the seguleh seem to use.

The fact that the first is dead and the second is around however is surprising - as K'rul said "Yet, with the Second missing, and with Mok's
growing prowess, no doubt the First had his reasons.", presumably then the first must have passed away relatively recently, and the second returned for things to fit timeline wise. Sad to see no Mok or senu in this one at first glance (hopefully they make an appearance however)

The fact of a ruling family 'the jistari' is also something of a surprise, don't quite know how that fits with a meritocratic duelling society but we will see.

Re Aragan, he was a cameo character for a long time, I think Erikson was initially trying to get him in every book, he was in NoK, GotM (recruiting seargeant), DhG (Lasseens guard), MoI (Ambasador), and I think he was mentioned in passing in most of the other books save Midnight Tides. Looks like we will finally see some more of him.

[blackzoid]

Imperial Historian, on 24 December 2011 - 04:53 PM, said:

Re the seguleh, there certainly does seem to be some differences from the erikson canon, the seguleh fighting with 2 handed longswords is different, but not unsurprising as we have seen seguleh such as the second fighting with weapons other than the two blades most of the seguleh seem to use.

Ya, it is strange that the Seguleh are not fighting with two swords. Especially since ICE in RotCG had both the Seguleh on the ship and Rell the ex-Seguleh fighting with their traditional two light duelling swords as well. So its not just a SE directive. Though ICE had written that book about 10-15 years ago I believe.
Perhaps an (in-universe) change in style by their society?

[Khellendros]

I can't seem to zoom into the pages enough to actually be able to read them - anyone help? Thanks!

[tiam]

Imperial Historian, on 24 December 2011 - 04:53 PM, said:

I'm not convinced that Beru is Senu D'rek. The only reference to Mok's brother is to Jan "for all new Jan's feelings regarding Mok, his elder brother, who volunteered to silence those disrespectful pannions. and who returned ... changed. Broken."

Beru is mentioned frequently in the text, and doesn't seem to be linked to Senu in any way, unless I'm missing something.

Re the seguleh, there certainly does seem to be some differences from the erikson canon, the seguleh fighting with 2 handed longswords is different, but not unsurprising as we have seen seguleh such as the second fighting with weapons other than the two blades most of the seguleh seem to use.

The fact that the first is dead and the second is around however is surprising - as K'rul said "Yet, with the Second missing, and with Mok's
growing prowess, no doubt the First had his reasons.", presumably then the first must have passed away relatively recently, and the second returned for things to fit timeline wise. Sad to see no Mok or senu in this one at first glance (hopefully they make an appearance however)

The fact of a ruling family 'the jistari' is also something of a surprise, don't quite know how that fits with a meritocratic duelling society but we will see.

Re Aragan, he was a cameo character for a long time, I think Erikson was initially trying to get him in every book, he was in NoK, GotM (recruiting seargeant), DhG (Lasseens guard), MoI (Ambasador), and I think he was mentioned in passing in most of the other books save Midnight Tides. Looks like we will finally see some more of him.

The Seguleh quote taken out of context makes it seem that, as the Seconds position is vacant, Mok will be challenging the First for his title. This he was sent against the Pannions to get rid of him. It now seems Mok volunteered and its possible the First sent him as his experience as his potential sucessor. While we dont know alot it seems the Firsts are chosen somehow and martial prowess isnt everything.

The problem with that is it doesnt explain Broods comment of 'could you cross swords with Hreymane, Rake, The Seguleh First' when the First was an ancient.

I now imagine the first as one of those ancient kung fu masters btw

[Sinisdar Toste]

tiam, on 24 December 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 24 December 2011 - 04:53 PM, said:

I'm not convinced that Beru is Senu D'rek. The only reference to Mok's brother is to Jan "for all new Jan's feelings regarding Mok, his elder brother, who volunteered to silence those disrespectful pannions. and who returned ... changed. Broken."

Beru is mentioned frequently in the text, and doesn't seem to be linked to Senu in any way, unless I'm missing something.

Re the seguleh, there certainly does seem to be some differences from the erikson canon, the seguleh fighting with 2 handed longswords is different, but not unsurprising as we have seen seguleh such as the second fighting with weapons other than the two blades most of the seguleh seem to use.

The fact that the first is dead and the second is around however is surprising - as K'rul said "Yet, with the Second missing, and with Mok's
growing prowess, no doubt the First had his reasons.", presumably then the first must have passed away relatively recently, and the second returned for things to fit timeline wise. Sad to see no Mok or senu in this one at first glance (hopefully they make an appearance however)

The fact of a ruling family 'the jistari' is also something of a surprise, don't quite know how that fits with a meritocratic duelling society but we will see.

Re Aragan, he was a cameo character for a long time, I think Erikson was initially trying to get him in every book, he was in NoK, GotM (recruiting seargeant), DhG (Lasseens guard), MoI (Ambasador), and I think he was mentioned in passing in most of the other books save Midnight Tides. Looks like we will finally see some more of him.

The Seguleh quote taken out of context makes it seem that, as the Seconds position is vacant, Mok will be challenging the First for his title. This he was sent against the Pannions to get rid of him. It now seems Mok volunteered and its possible the First sent him as his experience as his potential sucessor. While we dont know alot it seems the Firsts are chosen somehow and martial prowess isnt everything.

The problem with that is it doesnt explain Broods comment of 'could you cross swords with Hreymane, Rake, The Seguleh First' when the First was an ancient.

I now imagine the first as one of those ancient kung fu masters btw

it could be that brood, like us, is just unaware of the true state of affairs concerning the seguleh first.

one small thing: ICE has a seguleh named gall. srsly?

[Illuyankas]

Like I said. Four letter, derivative names. It's an ICE book, what did you expect?

[Khellendros]

Khellendros, on 24 December 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

I can't seem to zoom into the pages enough to actually be able to read them - anyone help? Thanks!

Well Khell, what you have to do is install the Adobe Flash plugin like it actually asks you to. Then you can do all sorts of things - including zooming in.

[Khellendros]

Khellendros, on 25 December 2011 - 02:15 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 24 December 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

I can't seem to zoom into the pages enough to actually be able to read them - anyone help? Thanks!

Well Khell, what you have to do is install the Adobe Flash plugin like it actually asks you to. Then you can do all sorts of things - including zooming in.

Thanks Khell, that was extremely helpful! Well, off to read it now!

[Khellendros]

First thing that struck me - ICE is up to his usual naming tricks. A scholar called Ebbin...he should meet Fist D'Ebbin from Stonewielder sometime...

Ok ok, now to actually read the chapter.

[Khellendros]

Ooops ICE. I know this is nitpicky in the extreme, but Kruppe doesn't use the first person 'I' as he's done at least once already

Also, about Thenaj:

Spoiler

Could be Tayschrenn?