[Atrahal]

As it stands, I will

Vote Gamelon

Since we seem to be deciding things by who has a vote laid down on them (which is risky this close to a potential D-day, but I'm not sure I'm in a solid enough position to do otherwise).

And no, not vanishing like Gamelon. I just wanted to get my initial thoughts in before looking into my two fav's more.

[Atrahal]

Is anyone on? I feel left out of the conversation at the moment

Edit: added question mark

This post has been edited by Atrahal: 06 December 2011 - 11:27 PM

[Spite]

I'm here for about an hour but I'm trying to get some work done.

[Atrahal]

Fair enough. Btw, did you see these two posts, basically on the same page, from Tennes. I guess I reminded of him of his case against HP .

Tennes, on 06 December 2011 - 02:45 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 December 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

Well then, seems like a lot has been worked out in my absence. First of all, I am tired of being called scummy with no clarification. I seem to recall a case done by Galain yesterday that was met with....well nothing. No one except Emur commented and frankly I thought that town finally recognized one of its own.

Fast forward to after the finder reveal and precision strike on scum yesterday. All of the sudden, I am scummy once again, but this time with a whole lot less substance to the arguments. I mean how am I to argue against "I made this argument at this time and then this person argued the same thing right after me." Must be scum ... despite the second person coming up inno after being offed last night.

And then we have Tennes, magically townie by some stretch of the imagination. I don't remember Emur clearing him, but Anom thinks he is clear, so it must be so. Most of what Tennes has done during the game is attack HP's day one case. Now, if I recall correctly, Mockra also spent a fair amount of time picking at HP early on as well. Moreover, other than the occasional book comment here and there, most of Tennes posts are fluff, such as that whole codeine adventure a couple days back.

Now if I recall correctly, several people were spouting that today was D-day or very close. We nailed Hojo, but as you say PS didn't confirm a win for us quite yet (not surprising, but work with me for a sec). So we have potentially 3 scum among the 9 remaining town. Three town are confirmed: HP, Emur, and Anom. If we get the wrong person today, and scum NKs town (which is a safe bet considering there are now bona-fide townie grade targets), we are down to 3 vs 4, which is very bad for us.

So, let's try not to speed lynch today hmmmm. I am glad we just cut to the chase and cut out Mockra, but I want to hear from the rest of the unconfirmed people today (e.g. Omtose, Meanas, Spite, and Gamelon) and then really want to hear from HP, since he is the last of our trusted trio.

This whole post is very wishy washy to me.
Seriously look at the highlighted bit.
When last have i spoken about the HP case?
that came to an end as soon as we got day 2's lynch CF
I was wrong...i moved on.
Everyone else keeps bringing me and the stupid HP case up.

I have since then made many more arguments that have now been conveniently ignored by Atrahal.


Yes i have greed with Mockra about stuff.
Scum are not going to spout shit. People will invariably agree with scum.
Yes we have argued the same cases sometimes.
But we have also not agreed on things.

And why would i be so buddy buddy with my fellow killer on thread anyways?
thats just looking for trouble if one of us gets a CF.
Hence the reason i like the omtose case for the lack of interaction between himself and Mockra.

Tennes, on 06 December 2011 - 03:19 PM, said:

I still havent made up my mind yet.

Omtose and Gamelon are a very similar case for me.
Both have exceedingly little interaction with Mockra.
Wich says a lot to me.

Atrahal on the other hand he has had mockra defend him by attacking HP's case day 1.
I also attacked HP day one... yes...yes.. again you need to decide if we would actively work together on thread like that as a killer pair?
Now weather Mockra did it to seem helpful i dont know.
But if you think about it he could have just let the inno's attack each other without stepping in there...

meh...i dunno.

[Spite]

Yes but what of them?

[Atrahal]

Spite, on 06 December 2011 - 10:12 PM, said:

Tennes, on 06 December 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

but then all that mockra would have to have done was to have told the mods to wait for his partner to come back before resolving.


yea...i am not too sure that the killers got caught out. Seems a bit unfair considering that night was 0 hours long

From past experience as scum my partner and I had a confirmed kill then a lynched happened. We tried to change it afterwards as night hadn't resolved yet and PS wouldn't let us. If a kill has been confirmed you can only change it if it's not yet night. At least that was how it ran that particular game.

It's a theory and if we catch a killer because of this I'm okay with that. It's information within the game that we are using to win. That is why I think I'm going to go Atrahal.

But doesn't this assume there is a night phase to play with as opposed to the lack of night present? And this is the only reason you are going for me Spite?

[Atrahal]

Spite, on 06 December 2011 - 11:39 PM, said:

Yes but what of them?

Oh, I was pointing out how integral that whole HP fiasco was to Tennes (seeing that he asks why I bring up old news and then continues discussing it a couple of posts later). I also thought it was ironic that he make such a big stink about me pointing out his role back in the early game, and yet he seems to think that I'm somehow linked to Mockra by how Mockra joined him in attacking HP. I dunno, seems awfully convoluted.

[Atrahal]

Spite, on 06 December 2011 - 10:20 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 10:14 PM, said:

And you're thinking Atrahal over Gamelon why?

As stated before. You are only alive because Scum couldn't change who they wanted to kill. Meanas and Atrahal were the only likely two candidates. Gamelon would be good to eliminate on a similar reason as to get rid of Meanas as he is a low participant that has dropped off the map the last few days and it is nearing D-Day.

You know, Gamelon did have one apt point in his brief visit. You speak a lot like scum for someone who is townie. Why are you so confident that Emur was killer bait or that the killers would be so quick to switch to a healer protected finder? Is this just thoughts on your own past experience, or a way to talk about this game?

[Emurlahn]

I think Spite is fine, there. A finder is a massive problem to killers. I should have been targeted.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5, 15 hours and 45 minutes left in the day.

9 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Omtose, Spite, Tennes,

5 votes to lynch

1 vote Atrahal: Anomandaris
2 votes Gamelon: Emurlahn, Atrahal

Players not voting: Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Omtose, Spite, Tennes


I am going to defer ruling on this alleged meta for now. I think rule B6 needs to be reworded and meta properly defined. No modkills, but for the sake of argument please leave posting times out of your reasoning from here on in, as I agree with a poster in SH who said it rather goes against the spirit of the game.

If you would like to be modkilled in order to join the discussion in Spoiler Heaven, feel free to PM me.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 06 December 2011 - 11:52 PM

[Atrahal]

No I agree Emur, you are a prime target for the killers, but the healer could switch to protecting you just as fast (if not faster) than a paired set of killers. It's not that hard to fire a PM to PS to switch whom one is healing.

[Spite]

Atrahal, on 06 December 2011 - 11:41 PM, said:

Spite, on 06 December 2011 - 10:12 PM, said:

Tennes, on 06 December 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

but then all that mockra would have to have done was to have told the mods to wait for his partner to come back before resolving.


yea...i am not too sure that the killers got caught out. Seems a bit unfair considering that night was 0 hours long

From past experience as scum my partner and I had a confirmed kill then a lynched happened. We tried to change it afterwards as night hadn't resolved yet and PS wouldn't let us. If a kill has been confirmed you can only change it if it's not yet night. At least that was how it ran that particular game.

It's a theory and if we catch a killer because of this I'm okay with that. It's information within the game that we are using to win. That is why I think I'm going to go Atrahal.

But doesn't this assume there is a night phase to play with as opposed to the lack of night present? And this is the only reason you are going for me Spite?

I haven't voted for anyone yet.

I can tell you that I will vote for one of these players


Meanas (who I think should be modkilled for being absent for so long)
Atrahal
Gamelon
Omtose
Tennes

I really want to vote for Meanas and not just because he has been absent for so long. The reason that I most likely won't is that if he is scum he is most likely a symp. No small pototoes for me.

Gamelon I would vote for more because he has been a non factor more than anything. Scum laying low or a worthless townie. I see win win either way.

Omtose - The way he wanted to shut Mockra up by speed lynching him has me concerned. A little too eager to get someone voted out? perhaps even if it was a forgone conclusion.

Atrahal yes it's mostly about your absense and the lack of Emurlahn's death is what has me concerned. PS is claiming that my reasoning is meta but I disagree.

Tennes... My lack of read on him is the reason that he is not high on my list of lynch candidates. I can't for the life of me think why Emrulahn didn't do a find on him instead of HP when he clearly wants to vote him out. Also Tennes doesn't seem too concerned about Emurlahn's interest in him. Someone that doesn't have something to hide? That is how I see it.

[Emurlahn]

Just did some challenging math, and I should be awake to discuss for a bit before deadline, but I'll have to leave slightly before its over. Hopefully we see more votes tonight..

[Spite]

Path-Shaper, on 06 December 2011 - 11:51 PM, said:

It is Day 5, 15 hours and 45 minutes left in the day.

9 players alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Omtose, Spite, Tennes,

5 votes to lynch

1 vote Atrahal: Anomandaris
2 votes Gamelon: Emurlahn, Atrahal

Players not voting: Gamelon, Hood's Path, Meanas, Omtose, Spite, Tennes


I am going to defer ruling on this alleged meta for now. I think rule B6 needs to be reworded and meta properly defined. No modkills, but for the sake of argument please leave posting times out of your reasoning from here on in, as I agree with a poster in SH who said it rather goes against the spirit of the game.

If you would like to be modkilled in order to join the discussion in Spoiler Heaven, feel free to PM me.

No PM from me.

[Atrahal]

If all you are going on is meta Spite, that fucking enrages me. I will have you know yesterday that I got up at 3 am, left for work around 6 am and didn't get home till past 8 pm. It was the longest day I have had all month (even since last month), and I don't appreciate the implications coming from someone who was absent for over 2 days straight and now seems to know it all.

Sorry, you are just totally out of line.

[Atrahal]

Spite, on 06 December 2011 - 10:47 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 10:38 PM, said:

Again, or killers that went after someone else because they thought there was a healer and they didn't want to waste a nk. I'm thinking you're right, though.

I personally think that almost any town role other than a finder I think that a killer can wait on targeting with a night kill so as not to waste one. A finder is a direct threat that a killer can't defend themselves against. In my opinion they have to risk a healer healing a finder just to eliminate the danger they pose them. Every day they wait clears more players for town and may expose them any day without warning. If I was a killer there was no way I wouldn't immediately target the finder. To hell if there could be a healer or not.

My god man. Are you an expert?

[Spite]

Atrahal, on 06 December 2011 - 11:48 PM, said:

Spite, on 06 December 2011 - 10:20 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 December 2011 - 10:14 PM, said:

And you're thinking Atrahal over Gamelon why?

As stated before. You are only alive because Scum couldn't change who they wanted to kill. Meanas and Atrahal were the only likely two candidates. Gamelon would be good to eliminate on a similar reason as to get rid of Meanas as he is a low participant that has dropped off the map the last few days and it is nearing D-Day.

You know, Gamelon did have one apt point in his brief visit. You speak a lot like scum for someone who is townie. Why are you so confident that Emur was killer bait or that the killers would be so quick to switch to a healer protected finder? Is this just thoughts on your own past experience, or a way to talk about this game?

Why are people insisting there is a healer? It doesn't matter one way or another if there is a healer. Put yourself in the shoes of scum. A finder out's one of your players as scum. At the same time the finder clears a town player. Now there are 2 players that everyone can stop looking at. That is two less people that scum can try the railroad into a lynch and two people they have to kill as noone will believe that they are scum. Now for some reason scum targets a player that isn't cleared and isn't the finder. Now the finder clears another player as town. That is three players that have to be night killed for scum to have a chance to win. THe longer scum waits to target the finder the more people the finder clears the less likely scum can win.

It is a numbers game. So either scum for whatever reason didn't or couldn't change who they wanted to kill or Emurlahn threw his partner under the bus in a gambit to win the whole thing. With 9 players left it is too early for scum to try this move especially when they sacrifice one of their own. So that leaves the first senario.

[Emurlahn]

Yeah I realized that a few posts back, Spite. Doesn't make sense that they didn't try me.

[Spite]

Atrahal, on 07 December 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

If all you are going on is meta Spite, that fucking enrages me. I will have you know yesterday that I got up at 3 am, left for work around 6 am and didn't get home till past 8 pm. It was the longest day I have had all month (even since last month), and I don't appreciate the implications coming from someone who was absent for over 2 days straight and now seems to know it all.

Sorry, you are just totally out of line.

Meta my ass. I'm not even sold on my own reasoning. I'm acutally more partial to Emurlahn playing us more than anything else. But I'm delusional.

[Atrahal]

You both seem to forget that scum could be as large as 4 players (one dead). We are so close to D-day, it is a good gamble to keep picking off people and then come tomorrow or the day after, they can pop out of the woodwork.