[maquis]

Why didn't Kalam's group just asked Quick Ben to open a Warren and send them to their destination?? Why went through all the trouble by traveling conventional way??

[worry]

How would they get back out of the warren?

[maquis]

worrywort, on 03 September 2011 - 12:25 AM, said:

<br />How would they get back out of the warren?<br />

I guess Quick Ben can travel with them, like a taxi driver, I guess.

[maquis]

I know QB was kind of busy, but traveling with them thru Warren and back shouldn't take more than an hour. It will save them days, if not months of journey.

[Bob_Vernen]

Not sure if you read to his point, so if not- spoiler alert--






It was mentioned later on that Kalam's motive for going on the trip, killing Laseen, which was "planned out" by him quick ben and fiddler (i think), was really just quick ben and maybe fiddler letting him realize on his own that killing Laseen wasn't the right choice.... so then if quick ben had just done all that then i doubt kalam would have come to that realization....

anyways that's just what i remember i may be wrong as i don't remember the books that well

[HoosierDaddy]

1. Warren travel in 7 Cities is beset by the Path of Hands: thus, deathwish.

2. Warren travel from Genebackis to anywhere is also a bit on the dodgy side. Read MoI and find out why.

3. The above.

4. Warren travel isn't necessarily so instantaneous, and the Empire's mages and assasins might be on the lookout for people trying to just appear near Laseen don't you think?

[HiddenOne]

It would also have the unfortunate effect of shortening the book by 200 pages

This post has been edited by HiddenOne: 03 September 2011 - 12:21 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

not to mention that there's plenty of nasty business going on in warrens that you don't want to run into.

[fakeshemp]

I happened to read this topic earlier today out of curiosity and coincidentally I have just come to the part where Kalam and his group have arrived in Aren. I just want to say: I fully understand the reasons for not travelling by Warren from the start. It never even occured to me to question why they didn't, it wasn't something that bothered me. I was just caught up in the story as it happened. However, remembering the above reply, "how would they leave the warren?" got me thinking on how they did leave. I would probably have otherwise not thought twice about this, chalked up to me still not really understanding the workings of warrens, had I not read it earlier in the day.

If I remember rightly what I just read an hour ago, Kalam kind of concentrated on his destination, when he felt they had walked far enough/had a feeling and the portal to exit manifested itself. How did he do this? Was it the magic Quick Ben gave him to open the portal to begin with? It doesn't mention anywhere in those few sentences, that I recall, him using anything other than his mind. If he can just exit at will, then why would leaving be a problem? If he can't then can anyone explain how they got to Aren from within the Imperial Warren?

This post has been edited by fakeshemp: 28 September 2011 - 10:55 PM

[worry]

That's a good point. I don't really know how to explain that off the top of my head, and kinda don't wanna speculate in such an early book forum. But that definitely is something to think over.

[fakeshemp]

Ah well, no big deal. Thanks for replying anyway. I completely understand not wanting to speculate. I realize there is a lot to come that shouldn't be spoilt and the ability to explain that might reveal something from later. I get the "you will understand that in x books time" a lot when I have questions about these books it seems. Usually I am always trying to read into things or guess where some arc might take me, which is nearly impossible here. I am loving them despite that, because they are just so damn enjoyable and cool - with promises from pretty much everyone that made it past the first book that there is much more to come!

[Sinisdar Toste]

i think it might have something to do with QB. the way he uses warrens is... rather special.

[D'rek]

Note that in GotM it took Paran and Topper most of a day to travel from Itko Kan to Unta. Warrens are different and all, but considering crossing the entire Meningalle ocean is a much longer journey in Wu, doing it by warren would either take a good week or more by a reliable warren or be a very fraught but shorter journey by the more dangerous ones.

[Wampyry]

fakeshemp, on 28 September 2011 - 10:53 PM, said:

I happened to read this topic earlier today out of curiosity and coincidentally I have just come to the part where Kalam and his group have arrived in Aren. I just want to say: I fully understand the reasons for not travelling by Warren from the start. It never even occured to me to question why they didn't, it wasn't something that bothered me. I was just caught up in the story as it happened. However, remembering the above reply, "how would they leave the warren?" got me thinking on how they did leave. I would probably have otherwise not thought twice about this, chalked up to me still not really understanding the workings of warrens, had I not read it earlier in the day.

If I remember rightly what I just read an hour ago, Kalam kind of concentrated on his destination, when he felt they had walked far enough/had a feeling and the portal to exit manifested itself. How did he do this? Was it the magic Quick Ben gave him to open the portal to begin with? It doesn't mention anywhere in those few sentences, that I recall, him using anything other than his mind. If he can just exit at will, then why would leaving be a problem? If he can't then can anyone explain how they got to Aren from within the Imperial Warren?

As a guess, I would say one has to know approx how far it is to the destination; otherwise, one may pop up in the middle of a battle or sea without the ability to get back into the warren

[fakeshemp]

Thanks for the answers D'rek and Wampyry (and Sinisdar, who I think understood my badly written question), but I think I confused you as to what I was asking. To clarify what had me thinking wasn't why he needed to travel the distance he did before he felt he was able to exit, but how he was able to exit at all. As Worrywort pointed out in his first post, when asked why Quick Ben didn't just open a warren to begin, how would they leave without a mage? Is the portal in a set place and he just has to find it? As I said it seemed as if he had just thought that this is where they should get out and a portal appeared - why it appeared where it did isn't the part I am wondering about, but why it appeared at all - how Kalam summoned it. As far as I am aware - at least at this point in the books, I can't comment on later obviously - Kalam has not been revealed to have access to Warrens. I hope I explained it a little better this time.

[Sinisdar Toste]

my guess is that it was a latent effect of QB's spell. like i said, the guy knows his warrens.