[Sir Thursday]

I just reread the blocking rules. Can you clarify this for me?

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When a player targets another player in an adjacent location, the NA will fail if a player in the target's location and faction uses the same NA.

So in this case, SL has targetted Kessobahn. So only returning kills from a Xia player would cause blocking in that direction, is that correct? (The kill still fails because of Emurlahn's healing catapults, but it is not blocked). In the other direction, there is a kill attempt being made by the Ma Chao in the direction of Luo Yang, so this blocks the incoming kill.

Just confirming I've got my head around this.

[Path-Shaper]

Sir Thursday, on 21 October 2011 - 12:34 AM, said:

Now the question is whether or not Sheltatha moves to Luo Yang or not. I think it's a bad idea, since it means that Okaros is open for the kill. On the other hand, they will never be able to land a kill by staying in Chang An. Positionally, it would be best for Okaros to retreat to Han Zhong - from there he can heal SL without the fear of being NKed, and it gives them an out if one of the Barbarians moves to Chang An.

In the end though, I can't see past the White Riders as the winners here. Their off-thread comms should allow them to outfox SL/Okaros (who do have the small advantage that the other team don't know which of them is the warlord). The Xia don't have any NKs so they're pretty much at the mercy of the other two teams as they don't have large enough numbers to control the day. The next lynch decides the game then.

Out of interest, who would win in a duel between Korlat and Sheltatha at the moment? The outcome of that is likely to decide the game, unless the Xia play kingmaker (if they help lynch a Barbarian, then the other barbarian faction wins).


ST

Currently, they're duel setups would result in each of them losing 1 HP every cycle through, but since Korlat has 9 HP and SL has 5, Korlat will win.

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Sir Thursday, on 21 October 2011 - 12:39 AM, said:

I just reread the blocking rules. Can you clarify this for me?

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When a player targets another player in an adjacent location, the NA will fail if a player in the target's location and faction uses the same NA.

So in this case, SL has targetted Kessobahn. So only returning kills from a Xia player would cause blocking in that direction, is that correct? (The kill still fails because of Emurlahn's healing catapults, but it is not blocked). In the other direction, there is a kill attempt being made by the Ma Chao in the direction of Luo Yang, so this blocks the incoming kill.

Just confirming I've got my head around this.

That's right. If not for the catapults, Kesso would've died. SL blocks Korlat's kill because Korlat's kill is targeting a Ma Chao player (SL herself), but Korlat doesn't block SL's kill because it is not targeting a Gongsun Zan player (Kesso).

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Okaros, on 21 October 2011 - 03:36 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2011 - 11:33 PM, said:

So so far you haven't gotten much screen time, but the portrayal of you and your forces has been of a not-so-much barbaric faction as just very aggressive and motivated a lot by vengeance and ambition.

What do you think of that portayal angle so far? Rather be an honourable conqueror showing lots of respect? Rather be just slaughtering everyone?

If you win this, what would you/Ma Chao do on the ashes of the other factions? Proclaim himself Emperor of a united China and found his own dynasty? Break it up into city-states, one for each of his top commanders?

I like the portrayal, makes us more than just barb 'rapin' and a pillagin' , as it goes. If ASoIaF has taught me anything, its that honour gets you killed. So I would say we could do with a little more slaughtering (especially since, as a faction, we haven't really slaughtered much of anything).
Myself, I'd probably go for the whole Empire thing (if only the life expectancy was better). I wouldn't trust giving cities to the commanders. Look at the game, it seems anyone can up and call themselves emperors nowadays. Then we'd have a repeat of events on our hands! Then again, another series of games like this one would not be something to complain about.

Well it's not going to spawn a new series of games, don't worry. Whatever the successor to the Han (Jin in history) it's not a major dynasty compared to Qin, Han, Yuan, etc. Though game-wise you haven't necessarily done much slaughtering, you did completely slaughter the Lu court in that one scene, so there's that.

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Emurlahn, on 21 October 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

it would appear no matter how we spin this, the game's gonna be resolved by NAs (duels)

in case there's a lynch while i'm away, and it's not me, continue heal spamming Luo Yang



I wonder how many years of warranty I have left on those catapults.

Emurlahn, on 21 October 2011 - 09:33 AM, said:

hmmm

if we somehow convince the Whie Riders to go along with this, and then hit Ma Chao,

then we can force a super-stalemate by voting off the other warlord tomorrow.
with 2 barb killers vs 2 perma-healing xia, with no blocks in place, the only way to resolve it would be to have the 2 killers duel.



which would result in an ultimate xia victory.



won't happen, but a man can dream.

[Path-Shaper]

Karosis/Korlat:

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 12:57 AM, said:

This night I was blocked by an enemy force. Just so you know.

Well it looks like it's either a supposed tie and I still think we'd have to keep our wits about us there, or hair ornaments at dawn with the barbs, where they on the face of it have a slight advantage.

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:

you where blocked?


and you went for shelly?


then shelly is the warlord

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 06:01 AM, said:

Yeah I was indeed, drat and double drat.

Seems like it otherwise we'd have duelled right? So...Okaros is killer then, hmm. Well I wasn't killed so either he didn't bother trying for me which would make sense, he might have went for emur or kess or my BP kicked in.

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 06:07 AM, said:

no PS should tell you your BP is gone.


thats always how it worked.


you where blocked. Maybe they went for ehmur.
that would cancel the kills out too...


hmm....so we cant be sure...but right now we are more sure than before.

also seltatha is laying it on thick about "meeting at dawn" ...could be he is hoping you try for him.

dunno.

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 06:13 AM, said:

Very true, could be. Do you trust that we will have a draw with the Xia or do you think the have something up their sleeve? I just...don't know, wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, they've sure been very friendly with us but hmm.

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 06:33 AM, said:

no i dont trust them.


it really could come down to your duel.

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 06:36 AM, said:

Which I have more points in but they know our roles and positions and we can't be certain of theirs.

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 06:36 AM, said:

Fun times, fun times.

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 07:18 AM, said:

wait a minute.


if we lynch off kessoh.
right?


and you try and kill Seltatha...and seltatha is the warlord.
well if they are not in our tile...then they cant kill us and ours will in turn be blocked.

if they both movie into our area.

then okaros tries to kill you and you try to kill seltatha.
what will happen is that your BP should stop him from killing you and you should kill Seltatha...giving us numerical advantage.

If i am correct.
They dont have any BP's
They got an extra person so i dont see how they could have gotten any bp's aswell..


so i think our best option is to lynch kessoh

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 07:23 AM, said:

Hahahah Yosh I agree.

Working off the assumption i'd have been told if my BP was gone. Bit of a gamble maybe but hey. All we have to do is sit pretty and wait for them to come to us possibly, same NKs each night. Actually doesn't present much of a problem cause the only time any of us could do anything is night unless there is some other mental thing coming our way. Take out kesso, we take out the block on me and me and shelt or okaros have at it...a gamble but hey I don't trust them at all anyway, at least with the barbs we both know not to trust each other.

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 07:29 AM, said:

yup...i THINK i cracked it.


you just keep sending kills to the warlord.
dont try for a duel... and trust in your BP.


they will be thinking that if you do go for their warlord and they go for you that they would lose only lose a warlord and keep their champs killing power.
So they THINK they are doing a "swap" that keeps them in the pound seat.
But you wont die!..and they dont know that.

If they try and kill me i will heal myself.
They might thik that i would be protecting you and will be vulnerable.
Unless their warleader is healing himself too?

I think its worth a gamble.
push comes to shove you lose a BP and we go to a duel scenario

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 October 2011 - 04:21 PM

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Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 07:31 AM, said:

I wonder if emur gets a NK now though, kesso seems awfully sure you're going to die or smug, he couldn't have a suicide tile thing, right?

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 07:37 AM, said:

you take wcs
which says that your bossman is going to die overnight and then its a 2v2.

If this helps

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

he might....but that would be fucked up....if we are stuck on this tile...by DESIGN to battle the xia...and then to have the Xia emperor have a mass suicide tile thing would just be overkill.


he doesnt know i have a BP on top of that.

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 07:53 AM, said:

True, true.

These mechanics really make you antsy eh? I feel bloody confused, every time I think i've got a grasp in things someone does or says something and i'm all over the place again.

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 07:59 AM, said:

yea.


I am hoping to lynch Kessoh.

and then no kill tonight.

and then convince emur to lynch one of them with us tomorrow.

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 08:01 AM, said:

Would he though, why would he not turn round and kill us?

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 08:04 AM, said:

well...thats another gamble really...


might be just the best thing to go for a duel then.


how can you lose with such a lead?....i

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 08:07 AM, said:

Bloody hell I have not a clue, this is making me feel really stupid, thanking you for that D'rek .

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 10:59 AM, said:

Right ma tha, what think you. Either way there's a risk, they don't know about a couple of things and we most likely don't. I think we'll drive ourselves crazy going over all these scenarios. Either way we have a problem, because we are open to attack if one turns on us at the wrong moment, not sure we can avoid that.

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

i say ...lynch off kessoh....then we can decide if we want a duel or not.

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 11:26 AM, said:

you need to be the one that does the duel...you have an advantage.

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 11:31 AM, said:

Sounds fair enough to me. I mean fuck it, it's a gamble from here on out anyway.

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

I'm going for a nap, i've not put a provisional in but we should have plenty of time with you and the others still to vote, seems it's not moving to fast at this moment.

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Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 04:55 PM, said:

i will be back in like 4 hours or so...myself

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:

We should set out our sketch of the plan here and go for it.

Korlat, on 21 October 2011 - 11:01 PM, said:

of course if xia and the other barbs turn on us lynch wise we're in trouble, we need an NK I think.

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Emurlahn, on 22 October 2011 - 12:37 AM, said:

you know what?

cancel that.

no action tonight.
let's see if MC can kill Korlat.

k

[Path-Shaper]

Karo/Korlat:

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 11:58 PM, said:

i think a NK on emur will work

but you will prob get a nk on you from the barbs, taking your BP

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

we should just have the lynch on kesso and then you can duel with okaro scenario..and be done with it....

Korlat, on 22 October 2011 - 12:13 AM, said:

Yes for good or bad, we'll just be going round in circles otherwise, if I take out Okaros we're good, if not well, meh, we have to trust the other barbs will get rid of the xia with us.

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 12:15 AM, said:

yea....lets just do it then

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 12:16 AM, said:

because if we vote off the champ...we lose the chance of you dueling with that advantage...

and i think its going to come donw to duels

Korlat, on 22 October 2011 - 12:18 AM, said:

Yeah I think so to. Fingers crossed BP is intact. So vote off Kess, try and NK Okaros

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

chat just crapped out?



anyways....dont apologise?...you played well!


didnt do a thing wrong...

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 12:22 AM, said:

all the while looking smoking hot too

Korlat, on 22 October 2011 - 12:24 AM, said:

Ah I was wondering it wasn't doing anything .

Thank you, well It is always made easier by having a competent leader (last time I was one I might have forgotten to NK the only other killer left in the game d'oh).

Anyway I shall now vote to NK Okaros

finger crossed.

Korlat, on 22 October 2011 - 12:25 AM, said:

I did get an awesome avatar!

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 12:27 AM, said:

mine looks like inigo montoya...i can live with that

Korlat, on 22 October 2011 - 12:28 AM, said:

My name is Gongsun Zan, you dishonoured my ancestors, prepare for invasion!

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 12:33 AM, said:

hahaha




you crack me up

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Sheltatha Lore, on 22 October 2011 - 01:18 AM, said:

sorry, lynch hadn't happened when i left today, had dinner with the parents tonight

I'm torn, I don't see how the WRs got out - how can they reach me? How can I reach them until I move.
I'm surprised they voted Kess really

Kill Emurlahn

noted.

[Khellendros]

@ Morgoth:

I'm truly sorry.

However!

As ever, my apology comes with conditions 1) I was hardly the only member of your team to fuck you over through incompetent play 2) At least I didn't go full(er) retard and accuse you of being the Usurper; 3) I'm not bad, I'm just carded that way. What did you expect? It's just in my nature.

@ Tapper

I thought you had a great game, and were unlucky to be drowned out by shouty, constantly-there Ment. If only we'd lynched him over that stupid typo, the misery that could have been avoided

Tapper, on 20 October 2011 - 09:42 PM, said:

JLV, on 20 October 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:

I'd go with neither of them. But maybe I'm just bitter

Nah, but it'd be a hard choice between them. Emur almost got lynched day 1, yet hung around and eventually became the director of the mindless masses.
DKT played a seriously devious game.

Yeah, but he was also kept in the saddle by Ment, who brought a load of votes and misdirection through henchmen. I'm not saying dkt doesn't deserve it, and I may be frustrated a tiny bit with the failing of them both to comprehend the Sima Yi mechanic, but there has been some very hard legwork and railroading done by their underlings to stall the lynches coming their way.

Also, Mott is playing a very good and underestimated game - the same actually goes for all the other barbarians, too.

Man of the Match does not necessarily equate with eventual winner. Ment's been great, but his days are now numbered.

[Khellendros]

dkt has been so far up Ment's ass the entire game that there is no way I'm even considering him for best player

I believe JA's post of a couple of pages ago summed up their 'relationship' nicely.

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Emurlahn, on 22 October 2011 - 01:56 AM, said:

from now, on, heal spam continuosly. every night.

Probably aren't too many nights left, but noted.

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Lover Convo:

Korlat, on 22 October 2011 - 01:40 AM, said:

I was blocked by an enemy force again.

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 01:55 AM, said:

he is voting with us

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 01:55 AM, said:

we shouldm take it!!!

Korlat, on 22 October 2011 - 02:18 AM, said:

Actually we can NK emur and if that works lynch shelly.


but if I get into a fight with shelly, and duel, even if I lose, my NK goes to you...night times out and you can kill emur.

safesr in we could get emur tonight and shelly tomorrow though, barring any shenanigans.

Korlat, on 22 October 2011 - 02:36 AM, said:

So NK Emur?

[Sir Thursday]

As I see it, Sheltatha could have forced a stalemate by moving to Han Zhong yesterday. Then if she could have convinced Emurlahn to vote with her, forcing a daytime stalemate. Emurlahn blanket healing Luo Yang prevents him from dying, and attempts to target SL would fail due to lack of proximity. We'd be left with no way of making progress during the day or during the night.

Since SL didn't manage to move, if Korlat targets Sheltatha tonight the White Riders win.


ST

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Sir Thursday, on 22 October 2011 - 02:49 AM, said:

As I see it, Sheltatha could have forced a stalemate by moving to Han Zhong yesterday. Then if she could have convinced Emurlahn to vote with her, forcing a daytime stalemate. Emurlahn blanket healing Luo Yang prevents him from dying, and attempts to target SL would fail due to lack of proximity. We'd be left with no way of making progress during the day or during the night.

Since SL didn't manage to move, if Korlat targets Sheltatha tonight the White Riders win.


ST

essentially it boils down to Okaros and SL should've tried harder to get Emur to vote with them. Karo and Korlat got him on their side easily and thus Okaros goes.

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Korlat, on 22 October 2011 - 03:53 AM, said:

Kill Emurlahn

k

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 21 October 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 10:20 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 21 October 2011 - 01:53 PM, said:

Karosis, on 21 October 2011 - 06:04 AM, said:

SLAUGHTER!!!!


i am tired of healing

You can still slaughter game-wise without slaughtering scene-wise...

WHEN!?....WHEN? i call shenanigans!!....SHENANIGANS I SAY!!

well, not you specifically but Korlat has killed lots of people!

Karosis, on 22 October 2011 - 12:10 AM, said:

i want to kill too!

this healing can become tedious

Fine. I just wrote your potential victory scene and made it all depressing and bloodthirsty for you. And now I feel sad and depressed...

[Path-Shaper]

Okay, well I really need to go to bed but I will be back in about 6 hours to resolve night. Then there will be 4 players left. Unfortunately I've got away plans this weekend and I'll be gone until Sunday afternoon after that.

So.

Day resolution: easy stuff, just do the lynches. Scenes aren't necessary and with so few players I don't want to give hints or false impressions with them anyway. If you want, just throw a sentence in like "A great battle was had between Gongsun Zan and Ma Dai wherein the Guanxi forces were routed and Ma Dai perished on the field."

CFs:

Sheltatha Lore (HiddenOne) is dead. She was Ma Dai, The Ghost of Wu Wei, a Champion of Ma Chao's forces.

Emurlahn (Mentalist) has been lynched ["has been defeated" if NK]. He was Yuan Tan, Emperor of the Xia Dynasty. (note: the "defeated" instead of dead is because he will keep being alive in scenes)

Karosis (dktorode) is dead. He was Gongsun Zan, Tiger of the North, Warlord of the White Riders.

Korlat (Mott) is dead. She was Zhao Yun, The Silver Spear Warrior, a Champion of the White Riders.


If any faction is extinguished, but the big "[The Xia Dynasty / Ma Chao's forces / Gongsun Zan's forces] [has / have] been eradicated" words up after the death.



Night resolution:

Blocking is going to be a bit crazy on these. Remember you don't block to prevent a death in another faction (ie Korlat doesn't block SL's kill on Emur). Korlat and SL will absolutely block each other's kills against themselves (ie: SL tries to kill Karosis, Korlat tries to kill SL, the kills block each other, but no duel). No blocking in the same tile, of course. Emur's heal does indeed work on himself, and everyone in the tile with him.



Last scenes: there's a Xia and a White Rider victory scene on the first page to be used in case they end the game before I'm back. Read through it, there's a few parts that need to be set (like whether Zhao Yun is alive on the WR victory). If somehow SL wins, the GZ one can be changed into a Ma Dai victory by changing "Gongsun Zan" into "Ma Dai" and "White Rider" into "Guanxi"

Also note, Emur has no more BP and the other 3 still have their BPs.


If something comes up and you're not sure, feel free to wait for me to get back, it aint the end of the world if they gotta wait.


Good luck!

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 October 2011 - 11:43 AM

[Obdigore]

Mmmmkay before I read thread:

Emurlahn I sent you a message on night 2 saying that HP was on our team. Did you not fucking listen? I had assumed that you thought both HP and Karosis were on our team since you were protecting both of them.

Karosis/Korlat - I think you are going to die, and it is because you did not side with the mighty Xia.

It is too bad we were so neutered at the end with no way of doing anything besides forcing a duel or guarding one out of two killers.