[Sir Thursday]

I think Sheltatha needs to come clean about her role. It's the only way she can convince Korlat and Karosis to vote with her and Okaros. Allowing the NK chaos to come swirling down on Luo Yang can only be a good thing for the Ma Chao faction at this point.


ST

[JLV]

I actually didn't know Barghast was PM until I died. I did a find on him early game and he came back a civil official, I believe. Didn't change anything, but it surprised me when I saw that.

[Tapper]

Anyhow, now that I have cleared my mind, I must say this was a marvellous game in design and execution and a worthy end to an awesome series, with innovative storytelling, mechanics, and consequences.

If I may offer some critique on this particular game, then it would be that I think the combinations of PMs + Emps were sometimes synergetic, sometimes not, and that thereby powerlevels between various opposite numbers fluctuated a tiny bit, mostly in the disadvantage of the Lu.

Galain was definately the weakest of the PMs, handicapped by his inability to move, which is quite serious with barbarians at the gates, and with an end-game as it is now in the capital of another faction, he'd be very, very weak.
I was very strong (I dare say stronger than the weakest emperor), but would have been most amazing if I occupied a tile by myself amidst enemies on a border tile, which Tennes' movement sadly didn't allow.
Kesso was the one with the most synergy in abilities, and while I am hesitant to say he was the best of the three (I think that was me, since I had a massive influence on the tile I am on), he was the easiest to use and most proactive, as well as a potential killer. Find a player (perhaps duel), send the result to your emperor, rinse, repeat.

Of the Emperors, Osseric and Tennes were neither very strong. JA drew the shortest straw regarding one time abilities, which Tennes had the best of, I think. In usefulness of tile related abilities per tile, Emur trumped them both but JA was better than Tennes, since he could disable an entire faction yet everyone could profit from Tennes'.

In the special role department, well... Omtose was fickle, but would have been a smashing barbarian killer early game. Move to their spot, location find, kill while they are bottled up. Thyr was very strong, but I tend to rate communication very highly so others may disagree. Khell had an amazing role, very strong, but was hampered by location, in danger of a lucky kill or lynch and the fact he didn't know his emperor proved to be more dangerous than it would seem at first

While each faction thus had a load of flavor and it all played out very well, I think you may have short changed the Lu, especially since they had 2 barbarian kills arrayed against them instead of 1 compared to the Xia (who also had a healing ability to keep them safe).

So, end verdict, 98/100. Which, I'd say, is slightly above par and fairly decent
(aka: awesome).

[Path-Shaper]

Morgoth, on 20 October 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

Tapper, on 20 October 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 20 October 2011 - 10:44 AM, said:

Tapper, on 20 October 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

Quote

If Barghast guards me, guard him. If not, Heal Emurlahn.

Thankfully, Obdi changed his action in the very same PM to a 100% unconditional guard of me, but as a provisional, this is simply unacceptable. If I had died due to it, I'd have gone absolutely 100% full out ballistic.

The condition for the guard is:
A. based on something he's not able to know;
B. not based on the state of the thread;
C. is checked after the guard on him ought to happen, which makes for really odd timing;
D1. is subject to conditions imposed by other players on the action he wants checked (so if another guard had guarded me, he would have healed Emu);
D2. unless you'd have resolved Obdi's action upon the statement of intent by me (aka the submission of my action), regardless of whether my action went through or not. In which case, Obdi might obtain information after the act what my action was, with no loss whatsoever to his own, as his action would always be effective.

It is like submitting "heal Tennes unless there are no kills targeting him, in that case, guard Emurlahn." It creates really odd play. One of the reasons why in Spycraft, I allow no provisionals at all.

---@ D'rek--------

As for me not knowing the blocking rules: I was aware of them, believe me, I was. But they create so many variables that it's much easier to ignore them unless you can painstakingly keep track and try to reproduce what happened on what night.

I would hope that D'rek wasn't going to accept that as an action...

I guess she wouldn't, too However, Obdi submitted it which means he was at the least trying to test the waters

Obdi is a twat. It is known.

I indeed completely ignored that bad-prov/phishing attempt - because Obdi is a twat.

Tapper, on 20 October 2011 - 01:58 PM, said:

Anyhow, now that I have cleared my mind, I must say this was a marvellous game in design and execution and a worthy end to an awesome series, with innovative storytelling, mechanics, and consequences.

If I may offer some critique on this particular game, then it would be that I think the combinations of PMs + Emps were sometimes synergetic, sometimes not, and that thereby powerlevels between various opposite numbers fluctuated a tiny bit, mostly in the disadvantage of the Lu.

Galain was definately the weakest of the PMs, handicapped by his inability to move, which is quite serious with barbarians at the gates, and with an end-game as it is now in the capital of another faction, he'd be very, very weak.
I was very strong (I dare say stronger than the weakest emperor), but would have been most amazing if I occupied a tile by myself amidst enemies on a border tile, which Tennes' movement sadly didn't allow.
Kesso was the one with the most synergy in abilities, and while I am hesitant to say he was the best of the three (I think that was me, since I had a massive influence on the tile I am on), he was the easiest to use and most proactive, as well as a potential killer. Find a player (perhaps duel), send the result to your emperor, rinse, repeat.

Of the Emperors, Osseric and Tennes were neither very strong. JA drew the shortest straw regarding one time abilities, which Tennes had the best of, I think. In usefulness of tile related abilities per tile, Emur trumped them both but JA was better than Tennes, since he could disable an entire faction yet everyone could profit from Tennes'.

In the special role department, well... Omtose was fickle, but would have been a smashing barbarian killer early game. Move to their spot, location find, kill while they are bottled up. Thyr was very strong, but I tend to rate communication very highly so others may disagree. Khell had an amazing role, very strong, but was hampered by location, in danger of a lucky kill or lynch and the fact he didn't know his emperor proved to be more dangerous than it would seem at first

While each faction thus had a load of flavor and it all played out very well, I think you may have short changed the Lu, especially since they had 2 barbarian kills arrayed against them instead of 1 compared to the Xia (who also had a healing ability to keep them safe).

So, end verdict, 98/100. Which, I'd say, is slightly above par and fairly decent
(aka: awesome).

The combination of special role, PM and Emperor abilities for each dynasty was supposed to give each dynasty a combination of info-finding, collaboration, offensive and defensive abilities, with weighting more towards one or the other depending on the characterization. Xia got the most offensive skill set with the Assassin and PM-Mastery, but had very low collaboration. Lu got lots of collaboration (and they'd need it with 3 barbarians to take down), but more defense than offense at their disposal. Yan had the most information gathering ability, with Detailed Report and Illumination, but the worst collaboration with no PM-Emp communication and Khell not knowing his Emp.

That's how I planned it out anyways, but who knows how things might've gone another way. If JA hadn't died as early, Lu could've had a 4-person off-thread communication chain and been coordinating finds, guards and kills on the barbarians between them. Catapults ended up being hugely influential in this game, but without the White Riders and Yans getting into Luo Yang it would only have ever made a difference to one border location of three, per night. etc etc etc

Do note, though, tapper, that Lu didn't face 2 NKs each night - Sheltatha and Kaschan were sharing one NK, alternating who gets to do it each night (and since they can't talk off-thread they had only the game thread to try and signal to each other who they targeted previously).

Glad you enjoyed it!

[Path-Shaper]

Tennes, on 20 October 2011 - 05:16 AM, said:

welp... thats all she wrote

Okaros, on 20 October 2011 - 05:33 AM, said:

day 11 action, move to chang an.



Night 11 provisional if move is unsuccessful, heal self.


edit: took out a line about killing Korlat. I'll wait before I decide.

Move succeeds - you are now in Chang An.

NA noted



Karosis action thread, think he meant this for his lover convo:

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 07:55 AM, said:

wait a minute


why dont you make a deal with Tennes and shelly to take out the only remaining guard (kessohbahn?)
i will say i cant control your actions and i wont have broken my "deal" with the xia?
then with all the guards gone we can kill freely?


im jut worried about what kind of role shelly has.
maybe we could try that after a shelly lynch?


hmmmm....


we would need okaros to come along

Kessobahn, on 20 October 2011 - 05:04 AM, said:

I humiliated him so much that he suicided. Awesome!

Except Suicide is bad.

But Awesome!

Go to bed. I promise to have the game well in hand... i still wonder what orders the Barb Leaders can do... by the time you return.

Kessobahn, on 20 October 2011 - 05:58 AM, said:

FOR SPOILER HEAVEN:

I know I said there will be a stalemate between Xia and The 2barb team. I don't believe that for a second. Pretty sure Karosis can guard, which would require a duel between me and him after everyone else is dead, which I would WIN BECAUSE I CANNOT LOSE DUELS.

Fucking awesome. Please let Karosis and Korlat agree to my plan. I would even be willing to win with them in a 2v2 scenario, as I stated in thread

Kessobahn, on 20 October 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

Actions for tonight:

Heal Emurlahn, unless emurlahn is somehow lynched today. If that happens, Guard Korlat.

As for my spy network, tell them to make me a bunch of money or something. moar gold for the kingdom!

NA Noted.

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 October 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Move to Chang An

Succeeds, you're in Chang An.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 02:26 PM, said:

Kill Emurlahn


Thought I better put in a provisional. Just in case I crash.

Noted

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

well, shit shit shit shit shit.



this is all matter of not good.



did I mention yet that duels are evil? and they complicate things so much?

You might've mentioned something like that...

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 04:37 PM, said:

meh

right now, i'm daring the supposed MC duo to lynch Tennes.

if they are both barbs, they should have 0 qualms. and if that is the case, then we already lost.
if they hesitate, i may be able to turn dkt around.

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 04:53 PM, said:

hrm

wcs:

shel and oka are on diff teams. they play along and lynch tennes
then they get rid of xia.

then we have to wait a week untill the WR find the tile where those two are stuck with each other and kill one of them to end the game.

Okaros, on 20 October 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

Actually

night 11, heal self


Just to clarify. I was going to try for a kill, but I'd rather not let myself be vulnerable on the slim chance I get my target.

Try for a kill? I don't follow...

(I think he's forgetting that both kasch AND Sheltatha have to die for him to get his kill...? Maybe it was a provisional in case Sheltatha died and he did get said kill...? Dunno)

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2011 - 06:42 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 06:34 PM, said:

so, if I manage to be the last emperor standing, can I get a lynch BP and 3 extra votes?



I htink it's only fair, since i'll be Han's last hope against the hordes of uncultured barbarians.

What good are votes when the tyrannical barbarians stomp all over your democracy, huh? Except that you don't have democracy, so you're just as bad as them!

yes, but I can represent all the millions of Han peoples. their support against the accursed outsiders gives me the strength to mete out justice.

Whoever said they supported you?

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 October 2011 - 06:59 PM

[Vengeance]

Morgoth, on 20 October 2011 - 10:11 AM, said:

D'rek, I thoroughly enjoyed this game, and felt nothing but frustration that the flu pulled me out at the best part.

Ment deserves man of the match for his day play for sure, but I agree that bunkering down with healing catapults throughout the entire game was a huge mistake. Equally I think Tennes' choice of movement was rather ill conceived though it did provide me with some benefit.

The barbarians have been surprisingly lackluster and JA is a tool, as always

I actually think that DKT deserves the man of the match. He successfully avoided 3 full onslaught lynch attempts. Mental was irritatingly stupid. His questioning of my finder reveal and trusting DKT ended up screwing our team. So no vote for Mental from me.

[JLV]

I'd go with neither of them. But maybe I'm just bitter

Nah, but it'd be a hard choice between them. Emur almost got lynched day 1, yet hung around and eventually became the director of the mindless masses.
DKT played a seriously devious game.

[Tapper]

JLV, on 20 October 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:

I'd go with neither of them. But maybe I'm just bitter

Nah, but it'd be a hard choice between them. Emur almost got lynched day 1, yet hung around and eventually became the director of the mindless masses.
DKT played a seriously devious game.

Yeah, but he was also kept in the saddle by Ment, who brought a load of votes and misdirection through henchmen. I'm not saying dkt doesn't deserve it, and I may be frustrated a tiny bit with the failing of them both to comprehend the Sima Yi mechanic, but there has been some very hard legwork and railroading done by their underlings to stall the lynches coming their way.

Also, Mott is playing a very good and underestimated game - the same actually goes for all the other barbarians, too.

[Path-Shaper]

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 October 2011 - 09:19 PM, said:

Kill Kessobahn

I wish I could get Korlat

Noted.

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 09:47 PM, said:

sigh....uhmmm



heal myslef

Ok

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:

Well,
remove kill
that is

Kill Sheltatha Lore

ok

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

well, they should.

I'm Han, and the rest aren't



well, Ma Chao is, arguably, but it was the arrival of the Xilliang troops into the Empire that started the whole mess in the first place.

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

it's the moment of truth. If Shelly hammers Tennes, welll, it's gg for the kingdoms.

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

.....and it's gg for the kingdoms,



ah well, I shall die tomorrow knowing i did all I could.

since I prolly won't be around, make sure I die in a dignified manner, plz?

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

can you please, please, give us the CF?

If nothing happens, soon, i'll be forced to go back to reading evidence. and it is extremely boring.

Okaros, on 20 October 2011 - 11:21 PM, said:

my apologies. I thought once Kaschan died I get a kill ability. just reread the role page, and have discovered that shelly would have to die as well for me to get it. I really need to apologize to kaschan about that vote I placed on him.

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 11:34 PM, said:

welp, my dying consolation is that I lynched the Dude

[Path-Shaper]

Karosis/KOrlat off-thread comm:

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 05:28 AM, said:

What they are offering, the xia that is, ends in a stalemate for us all, unless they have something up their sleeves that could catch us unawares and I'm not keen on trusting that they don't.

Their desperation to make a deal to draw seems very off...

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 06:16 AM, said:

i think okaros can kill...they dont know that.


hopefully while they are blocking you, he can take out emurlahn.


or we can just side with okaros after the next lynch as we will have numbers and lynch emur and hessoh off.


we play nice now and fuck the over later.




no mercy

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 06:40 AM, said:

If this goes to plan I shall be very happy indeed. We lost one member but the supergroup reforms!

Coming to a Mafia game near you.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

What's up boss?

So we're killing shelly, so I can be the prettiest girl in town

then we...try kill emur and hope okaros kills someone or other?

My brain has ceased functioning.

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 12:50 PM, said:

i think....or hope that we can lynch shelly.

and try and kill emur tonight but if it dosnt work we ask okaros to join us and we lynch him.


I think you can kill emur....but i think kessoh will guard you.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 12:51 PM, said:

yeah I think so

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 01:06 PM, said:

You want me to put it at L-1 or hold off until Okaros shows his head?

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 01:10 PM, said:

Face even, man i'm knackered.

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 01:48 PM, said:

you can vote if you are tired I will remove mine.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 01:55 PM, said:

That would be great, I was going to go for a nap, i'm scared i'll sleep in. Want me to put the provisional on Emur then as well?

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 03:05 PM, said:

no...ehmur might just get lynched.


O_o


both of them are claiming to be barbs...

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

and they support each others reveals

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 03:11 PM, said:

yeah i saw that, what to do, what to do.

of course say they are and we bote with them to kill emur, what are they exactly, what powers do they have, does the leader get the kill?

It's be shelly/okaros, kar/kor and then tennes and kesso we have the numbers to kill them if we vote in a block but what's to stop them making a deal with the last two for our treachery and killing us? leaving then the winners. Would make sense.

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 03:19 PM, said:

thats why we vote barghast....so he cant guard you.

and then we kill ehmur at night.

shit...this is tough

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

Yeah we all vote Kess, I try for killing Emur, all alone I hope we'd get him.

Then it is all down to tennes and well if they kill one of us in the night what then? Difficult.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 03:31 PM, said:

I'm going to sleep for a while, put a provisional kill on Emur, hope I'll only be a few hours but i'm a bit all over the place right now sleep wise. Hopefully though the lynch will still only be in progress at that point.

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

shit....ok....


ill just not put my NA in till you come back forcing PS to wait out night if you take too long..

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 05:47 PM, said:

i am worried that we vote off emur now and their killer kills kessoh tonight.

tomorrow we are stuck with 2 barbs & tennes voting us two off.



so...im more trustin of ehmur...and think they will go along with us.
Gonna vote off tennes.


then you can perhaps try and kill seltatha or okaros tonight.


as far as we know we still have our BP's and they dont know i can kill once you are dead so we still have a chance.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 08:19 PM, said:

Right I agree, tennes becomes a danger to us and at least this way the xia might vote with us since we are known quantities, fingers crossed this goes smooth.

I'll change my NK to Okaros, you got your NK in now?

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 09:45 PM, said:

NK?....you mean my heal?


im not too sure who you should go for?


you might end up in another duel if you go for okaros.

but im sure they will be gunning for me tonight...


so yea go for one of them.


i will heal myself.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 October 2011 - 11:49 PM

[Path-Shaper]

more:

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 09:47 PM, said:

What would you rather, I have it on Okaros, want me to switch to sheltatha?

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 09:50 PM, said:

seltatha...for me anyways seems to be the warlord.


up to you i suppose.


Or go for emur and force the block on any kill coming from outside and we try and lynch the other barbar tomorrow.


Its all a bit of a gamble now.

as we dont know what they have as hidden roles...meh

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 09:55 PM, said:

so what will happen is they will be sending a kill over to this side.
no matter who we try and kill on that side it will be blocked both ways.

unless you put a kill on their champ and he did one on you
then there is a duel.

other than that nothing will happen

im not too sure what happens if you go for someone inside our tile if it stil blocks an outside attempt.

might be best to try your luck at a duel....

that or maybe lose a BP but live for sure?




i dunno... im a bit hazy on the mechanics

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 09:56 PM, said:

Noted, I shall switch then. I'd thought Okaros was the warlord but i'm less than useless at guessing . Danger going for emur is leaving kess to decide between us and I wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him, he's far too unpredictable...plus I might have pissed him off a little.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 09:58 PM, said:

I die and there still a chance though, as long as I take down their killer with me, we have to hope their leader with the advantage of an extra killer won't have the ability passed on.

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 09:59 PM, said:

to block their kill, you would have to go for the warlord.
canceling their kill to this tile out.

if you go for ehmur....it seems like their kill on you would still go through.
But as far as we know you still have your BP.

I dont know if a BP will help in a duel...i am assuming not.


So...i think you can either try and kill emur.
but potentially lose your BP.



Or you can go for Seltatha/okaros and risk a duel or block their kill entirely.


thats our choices.




and that is hoping kessoh doesnt guard us.

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 09:56 PM, said:

Noted, I shall switch then. I'd thought Okaros was the warlord but i'm less than useless at guessing . Danger going for emur is leaving kess to decide between us and I wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him, he's far too unpredictable...plus I might have pissed him off a little.

what makes you think okaros?

look i am just guessing as to the styles of play.

okaroas seemed more nonchalant ...like he his a second killer so he wasnt worried.

...im guessing.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Probably best to risk it, if they're within range we're a danger to each other, kess is going to be blocking me so i'd have more chance with the other barbs.

Ugh, these mechanics are so bloody confusing. D'rek want my brain to 'splode, why D'rek, WHY?

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 10:02 PM, said:

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 09:58 PM, said:

I die and there still a chance though, as long as I take down their killer with me, we have to hope their leader with the advantage of an extra killer won't have the ability passed on.

yea but if you go into a duel you both wont die... only one of you dies.



they should think i am toothless though....wich is good.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 October 2011 - 11:50 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 10:03 PM, said:

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Probably best to risk it, if they're within range we're a danger to each other, kess is going to be blocking me so i'd have more chance with the other barbs.

Ugh, these mechanics are so bloody confusing. D'rek want my brain to 'splode, why D'rek, WHY?

up to you then


good luck

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

Would I not have the advantage with 9 points? Not a guarantee or anything close but a slight edge.

Anyway Shelly is who you'd prefer right?

Ah right I see makes sense I was thinking Okaros because shelly feels like she is waiting for him to say what he intends to do or push issues, seems more like she is following but that would in context make a kind of sense.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:07 PM, said:

Would you rather I risk going for Emur?

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:

i dont know dude.... do you have 9 ponts?


well that would be a hellava advantage?

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:25 PM, said:

Yeah I have nine health points, had five, lost 1 in the dual, got fiver when he died.

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 10:26 PM, said:

if you know for sure he has 5 and you start with 9?...daaamn...i wouldnt worry too much about a duel hey

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:27 PM, said:

So Shelly or Okaros, shelly then and hope that it comes down to a dual and my set up and points are good enough to win it?

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 10:31 PM, said:

yea...i think




there are just too many variables and too many possible outcomes its mind boggling.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:32 PM, said:

You get them through duelling, I think there only has been one so I assume he's still on five, wow this is stressful eh?

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:

Okay i've put my KN on shelly, get rid of the competition as it were.

Karosis, on 20 October 2011 - 10:36 PM, said:

yup... nerve wrecking stuff!!




i must go sleep...but i cant...think ill go read.

Korlat, on 20 October 2011 - 10:40 PM, said:

Yeah i'm the same but then I did sleep from five till nine hahah, i'm going to have a bath, trying to relax a little.

Anyway what will be and all that jazz, for a two man team that have been on the same tile for the majority of the game, well, i'm not complaining. Even if at times I might have wanted to fall on my sword in sheer mind-boggling confusion, thanking you d'rek .

[Path-Shaper]

Kessobahn, on 21 October 2011 - 12:07 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2011 - 11:44 PM, said:

Unnecessary, but... Yuan Tan is in Luo Yang today (gasp!)

OH SHIT REALLY?

FUCK I MUST CHANGE MY PLAY!

Emurlahn, on 20 October 2011 - 11:49 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2011 - 11:44 PM, said:

Do I really still have to do this?

You're in Luo Yang still.

Shen Pei is in Luo Yang, too.

not really.
are you gonna just let the barbs duel, or are they gonna have to vote night a few times to get themselves to the same tile?

No comment.

(they're already on adjacent tiles )

Emurlahn, on 21 October 2011 - 12:19 AM, said:

great. now i'm gonna drive myself crazy from the possibility that MCs may not have a killer left.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 21 October 2011 - 12:27 AM

[Sir Thursday]

Wait, how come Korlat didn't kill Sheltatha Lore last night? I thought that's who they were targetting? On the summary page you have him down as targetting Tennes, but that doesn't make any sense...


ST

EDIT: Oh wait, blocking. Forgot about that.

This post has been edited by Sir Thursday: 21 October 2011 - 12:22 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Sheltatha Lore, on 21 October 2011 - 12:09 AM, said:

I knew that sneaky bastard Korlat would come for me

Sheltatha Lore, on 21 October 2011 - 12:13 AM, said:

Retraction: It had to be Kess or Emur

[Path-Shaper]

Sir Thursday, on 21 October 2011 - 12:15 AM, said:

Wait, how come Korlat didn't kill Sheltatha Lore last night? I thought that's who they were targetting? On the summary page you have him down as targetting Tennes, but that doesn't make any sense...


ST

EDIT: Oh wait, blocking. Forgot about that.

Indeed, the almighty blocking.

[Sir Thursday]

Now the question is whether or not Sheltatha moves to Luo Yang or not. I think it's a bad idea, since it means that Okaros is open for the kill. On the other hand, they will never be able to land a kill by staying in Chang An. Positionally, it would be best for Okaros to retreat to Han Zhong - from there he can heal SL without the fear of being NKed, and it gives them an out if one of the Barbarians moves to Chang An.

In the end though, I can't see past the White Riders as the winners here. Their off-thread comms should allow them to outfox SL/Okaros (who do have the small advantage that the other team don't know which of them is the warlord). The Xia don't have any NKs so they're pretty much at the mercy of the other two teams as they don't have large enough numbers to control the day. The next lynch decides the game then.

Out of interest, who would win in a duel between Korlat and Sheltatha at the moment? The outcome of that is likely to decide the game, unless the Xia play kingmaker (if they help lynch a Barbarian, then the other barbarian faction wins).


ST