[cerveza_fiesta]

ok, but what did that gain us exactly? Now he moves a protected pawn up and we are forced to retreat lest we lose our queen? Or do you have something more sinister in mind?

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[Obdigore]

cerveza_fiesta, on 23 August 2011 - 05:40 PM, said:

ok, but what did that gain us exactly? Now he moves a protected pawn up and we are forced to retreat lest we lose our queen? Or do you have something more sinister in mind?

[cerveza_fiesta]

lol...ok. I defer to your likely better judgment.

I realized something while playing this forum chess thing.

Unless the individual is very good, they probably have the move forecasting ability of an average adult novice player, which means that they can see at most 2 moves into the future....and probably just a single move in the future.

For us to discuss strategy 2-3 moves down the road or generalize about attacking left or right doesn't do a damn thing to help the average player, hence why it isn't a massive disadvantage to discuss moves where the individual can see it..

Not meant as an insult to j2tks, just saying in general. It's certainly how I felt playing the first time.

This post has been edited by cerveza_fiesta: 23 August 2011 - 06:05 PM

[Mentalist]

if he plays g6, we have Qd5, which opens so many beautiful possibilities......

edit: also, the alternative you proposed, CF, while gaining us material, would have resolved in Q:b4, threatening both our knight on d4, and pawn b2.
on top of this, it would generally restore black queen's mobility. if anyhting, Bb5 would have been a stronger pure "material" move, since it kept the queen penned up on the A file, effectively out of action.

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[cerveza_fiesta]

I figured that was the sinister thing in mind after a reexamination.

I wish I could forecast more moves.

But isn't pro chess more about memorizing particular arrangements and knowing the counter to your enemy's?

[Mentalist]

cerveza_fiesta, on 23 August 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:

I figured that was the sinister thing in mind after a reexamination.

I wish I could forecast more moves.

But isn't pro chess more about memorizing particular arrangements and knowing the counter to your enemy's?

it's a mind trap of "pro" players, lol

because when you play other pro players, you will inevitably play one of the classic openings, which has been analyzed for decades and in which every single permutation of moves has been dissected to the point where it's possible to google the probability of winning for either side. pros memorize famous (read: often recurring) positions, learn the various permutations around them, and, knowing which one if more advantageous, do what they can to transpose their game into one of these.

the beauty of playing less competitively is that you can have games where both players make moves that are a lot more creative. since neither is burdened with the knowledge of the pros, they do not realize that their more creative and pretty-looking combo is proven to be faulty 65% of the time. since neither player knows this, they can have a much more "laid back" approach to the game, appreciating the possibilities for what they are.

disclaimer: I have dabbled in "professional" chess (on inter-university level), and i've had some schooling on chess theory back when I was still in elementary. my skill level is decidedly middling. I have great respect for those who can dedicate enough time to chess to play it professionally. everything stated above is just my personal opinion as an "educated layman", and should not be seen as an insult of any kind.

[Obdigore]

Mentalist, on 23 August 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

if he plays g6, we have Qd5, which opens so many beautiful possibilities......

That is my thought. If he, on the other hand just moves his king, we can then threaten his queen to make him react.

[Mentalist]

Dutch Flag, on 23 August 2011 - 07:37 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 23 August 2011 - 07:18 PM, said:

if he plays g6, we have Qd5, which opens so many beautiful possibilities......

That is my thought. If he, on the other hand just moves his king, we can then threaten his queen to make him react.

I still think a:b4 will currently weaken our position, though.
B : b5 would be stronger.

or, better yet, N d4:b5. oh, I can see SO many fun things after that......

[Mentalist]

on the second thought, while Qd5 looks good on paper, there are some serious counters to it.

[Whiskey Bass]

Pawn G7 to G6

[Obdigore]

Our next move should obviously be Q -> D5.

If someone would make that move that would be lovely.

[Mentalist]

before anyone makes that move, I want Obdi to think how he'd respond to N e7.

[Obdigore]

Q a8
Q b6/c7 is then countered by
k b5 which covers a7 in case he continues the attack on our Queen.

If he does something else that does not need to be countered, then after taking the rook at a8, we do CF's P b4 to force that queen to attack or retreat, either one which opens up that bishop at c8 to be mauled by our queen and putting his king in check without allowing the queen to rush to his aid.

I have gone further with a couple different things, but I think that our best move is Q d5 to force him to react to us. Momentum is huge in this game.

[Use Of Weapons]

Um, what if he plays Bb7 after Qd5? I'd like to see us get our white bishop active fairly soon, and castle kingside because I really don't like how he's lined up the Queen and bishop. Obviously we need to move the queen as our next move, but Qd5 isn't necessarily the best. I actually think Qf3 would be preferable.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Ok, here's the board as of J2's last move.

I would do the next but am still on the outs until next move.

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[Mentalist]

oh right, didn't see the rook hit. although Bb7 is also a valid threat.

Qd5, like I said, is a great move on paper--it centralizes our queen, gives it good position and an active diagonal. but these counters (which also help black develop) seem to lead to Qb3, which is a move whose use to us I already questoined.

now, it's obvious we need to move the queen. and d5 is easily the strongest point for it. but I don't want to do that, untill we have a coherent plan.

also, i'm more than slightly buzzed, and I have to be up for work in 2.5 hours (going to bed now)
so, I won't be moving.

[Use Of Weapons]

I really don't like Qd5, so I'm going to play this move as the next move.

Queen to E2.

[Tapper]

I'm obviously a bit late to the party, by why didn't we move a3xBb4 instead of Qd1-a5?

Material-wise, it would have been a strong exchange for us and we'd have gotten rid of that nasty diagonal he's got there with bishop and queen. It might perhaps at the expense of our centre position, but still... I didn't spot an obvious immediate counter to it.

I agree that Qd5 would have been a bit more flashy than effective, as Bb7 would have been an sufficient counter, I think.

[Whiskey Bass]

Knight G8 to E7

[Sir Thursday]

Man, I should poke my head in the Games forum more often, I love playing Chess.

While 0-0-0 looks fun here, it's probably too dangerous after Bxa3 bxa3 Qxb3+. I'm a firm believer in the "See a pawn, take a pawn" methodology, so Ndxb5.


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