[Barghast]

Anyhow, my time at work is over and I'll be travelling a bit to pick up The Cold Commands, so I'm out for now. Ciao!

[Kessobahn]

We currently have Atrahal as a lynch target, and you are claiming Telas is a barbarian.

So do we lynch you to see if you could possibly be a finder, then lynch Telas if you are, or do we lynch Telas first? I'm trying to figure out the information revolving everything so I can decide what to do. I don't have any evidence to agree or deny your case beyond what you and Telas give us.

[Karosis]

Another thing....Omtose is claiming he knows where i am, he claims he has been "doing some digging around" (paraphrase)...and i am guessing, because there was an illuminate in my location yesterday, that omtose is basing his assumptions off of that illumination information.
But i dont know how he can come the to the conclusion that i am Barbarian because not only am i in a territory that is not exclusive barbarian, but there are about 8 other names on that list.

But thats not really the reason i bring this up....The kicker is that Omtose was not on that list...so someone fed him that information!
What Barghast has just claimed actually backs this up....so somewhere allong the lines Omtose and Barghast are getting information on these "telephone lines"...
There is a good chance one of them is the actually Emperor....

[Karosis]

if telas will post his list and i post mine.....we can cross reference our findings and narrow it down perhaps.

unless they are not on the same team and simply have the same mechanic happening independently/seperately.

[Ruse]

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 10:54 AM, said:

Another thing....Omtose is claiming he knows where i am, he claims he has been "doing some digging around" (paraphrase)...and i am guessing, because there was an illuminate in my location yesterday, that omtose is basing his assumptions off of that illumination information.
But i dont know how he can come the to the conclusion that i am Barbarian because not only am i in a territory that is not exclusive barbarian, but there are about 8 other names on that list.

But thats not really the reason i bring this up....The kicker is that Omtose was not on that list...so someone fed him that information!
What Barghast has just claimed actually backs this up....so somewhere allong the lines Omtose and Barghast are getting information on these "telephone lines"...
There is a good chance one of them is the actually Emperor....

If that's the case, my money is on Omtose of the two.

Still, the fact that no one NO ONE thinks Tennes is worthy of notice screams SCREAMS ICE CREAMS of deflecting attention. The location is right for an emperor if Khell the split personality isn't BSing, is it not?

Seriously, wtf.

I like HP as a possible barbarian, as long as we're fingering those types.

[Telas]

Barghast, on 12 October 2011 - 10:43 AM, said:

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 10:34 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 12 October 2011 - 10:27 AM, said:

Even so, I am quite confused by how your 'teammate' was in Xin Du, and your entire 'case' is that Telas is a barbarian because he was in Xin Du, whereas from what I understand of the Illumination mechanic (very little, granted), it is sent to people in the location that is being illuminated...

thats why i said you are accusing him of being a finder with a find...a finder that is disguising his "findings" as something else.


not saying this is the case....but the only other way would be a finder in my books.

There might be that, too
Either way, I like how people are trying to dismiss my case by saying there is no way I can know, rather than denying I'm right
It's like denying your house is on fire because the person saying it is not a fireman.

This once again boils down to you not actually having any information other than my alleged location yesterday and from there creating a theory based on what seems to be a faulty understanding of the movement mechanic.

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

if telas will post his list and i post mine.....we can cross reference our findings and narrow it down perhaps.

unless they are not on the same team and simply have the same mechanic happening independently/seperately.

Now why would I reveal who shares a tile with me to the whole thread?

[Telas]

Anyways, I'm going to put my vote where I think it'll accomplish the most.

so

vote Omtose

[Karosis]

Ruse, on 12 October 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 10:54 AM, said:

Another thing....Omtose is claiming he knows where i am, he claims he has been "doing some digging around" (paraphrase)...and i am guessing, because there was an illuminate in my location yesterday, that omtose is basing his assumptions off of that illumination information.
But i dont know how he can come the to the conclusion that i am Barbarian because not only am i in a territory that is not exclusive barbarian, but there are about 8 other names on that list.

But thats not really the reason i bring this up....The kicker is that Omtose was not on that list...so someone fed him that information!
What Barghast has just claimed actually backs this up....so somewhere allong the lines Omtose and Barghast are getting information on these "telephone lines"...
There is a good chance one of them is the actually Emperor....

If that's the case, my money is on Omtose of the two.

Still, the fact that no one NO ONE thinks Tennes is worthy of notice screams SCREAMS ICE CREAMS of deflecting attention. The location is right for an emperor if Khell the split personality isn't BSing, is it not?

Seriously, wtf.

I like HP as a possible barbarian, as long as we're fingering those types.

maybe if you put the tennes case into one nice package for people to digest it would get some attention..

as it stands there is too much going on for me to keep track.

Tennes?...man i forgot that guy was playing

[Karosis]

Telas, on 12 October 2011 - 11:10 AM, said:

Barghast, on 12 October 2011 - 10:43 AM, said:

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 10:34 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 12 October 2011 - 10:27 AM, said:

Even so, I am quite confused by how your 'teammate' was in Xin Du, and your entire 'case' is that Telas is a barbarian because he was in Xin Du, whereas from what I understand of the Illumination mechanic (very little, granted), it is sent to people in the location that is being illuminated...

thats why i said you are accusing him of being a finder with a find...a finder that is disguising his "findings" as something else.


not saying this is the case....but the only other way would be a finder in my books.

There might be that, too
Either way, I like how people are trying to dismiss my case by saying there is no way I can know, rather than denying I'm right
It's like denying your house is on fire because the person saying it is not a fireman.

This once again boils down to you not actually having any information other than my alleged location yesterday and from there creating a theory based on what seems to be a faulty understanding of the movement mechanic.

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

if telas will post his list and i post mine.....we can cross reference our findings and narrow it down perhaps.

unless they are not on the same team and simply have the same mechanic happening independently/seperately.

Now why would I reveal who shares a tile with me to the whole thread?

heh heh...fair enough.

though i would think you would have tried to move by now

[Karosis]

I think omtose knows i aint in his faction so he feels safe to go after me.

so i in turn now feel safe voing for him.


But i will wait and see what else happens today there is a heck of a lot of info floating around.

[Telas]

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 11:15 AM, said:

I think omtose knows i aint in his faction so he feels safe to go after me.

so i in turn now feel safe voing for him.


But i will wait and see what else happens today there is a heck of a lot of info floating around.

yeah, my problem however is that my activity window is now closing more or less. I'll peek in now and then but I figured I might as well make it clear what I think is the best lynch for today.

[Ruse]

Meanas, on 10 October 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Once again, it was not misunderstanding, it was mis-remembering.

Ok, I may as well pre-empt the mass free-for-all that’s about to head my way…

There are currently two separate accusations being levelled at me: 1) I am a Warlord, or part of that type of faction. 2) I am an Emperor.

Now, I can prove that I am not no.1, if I have a little cooperation from a couple of my fellow players. I don’t know if they’re in my faction though, and I don’t know if they know if I’m in their faction or not, so they may not cooperate. Anyway:

I cannot be a Warlord or part of that faction because I know that, on night 1, Tennes and Mockra were in Jiang Xia. If I was a Warlord I could not even get to a tile adjacent to Jiang Xia by night 1, so how could I know who was there? I hope that Tennes and Mockra are willing to confirm this, if for no other reason than we want to eliminate who is NOT a Warlord so we have a better chance of lynching someone who is.

However, this does of course not prove that I am not an Emperor. So:

Obviously, I am not the Lu Emperor, as Osseric was that

I am not the Xia Emperor, because I’ve made it perfectly plain before I have no qualms about hunting down that faction (see my suggestions that Emurlahn was part of Xia and that we should lynch him after Tiamatha, which got Emurlahn so riled up that he actually started contributing loads).

I am not the Yan Emperor, because I was all for lynching Serc before Tiamatha. If I had been the Yan Emperor, I would have known that Serc was part of my faction.

This shows that I had no real idea who was in my faction or not, only suspicions (one of which turned out to be wrong, and I think you can by now guess which one). I am what I said I was, a civil official.


I’m perfectly aware that unfortunately, I’m probably at that stage where simply defending myself, however sensible my arguments, is not going to save me. The only thing that might save me is if I present you with an even juicier target than myself.

Lynching me is still random target hunting, because you have no good proof that I am what you say I am – this is made clear by the fact that you’ve been guessing that I’m two completely different roles.

I can give you two options which are more certain things than lynching me: 1) Get rid of an actual Warlord; 2) Go culture hunting on the Lu faction. I’ll talk about the second option first.

Look at the people who voted for me instead of Osseric. I am willing to bet that all the remaining Lu faction members (2, 3 left maybe?) are there. So who is there? Osseric (dead, Lu emperor); Tennes, Galain, Atrahal, Thyrllan, Sheltatha Lore.

Sheltatha Lore might be a good first bet because of the lateness of the vote on me, a last attempt to swing the votes away from their emperor.

As for getting rid of a Warlord…due to certain events during the last day and night I have eliminated options for a Warlord to two choices. Indeed, it’s actually perfectly plausible that one of them is a Warlord and the other a Champion. I am going to look further into this, refine my case, and will then post my suspects.

According to this, Tennes was in Jiang Xia, which is a fair location for an emperor to be on Night 1. At this point, I don't know why Meanas would lie about that considering this started as a last ditch effort to save his fanny, which only later devolved into ridiculousless as the "gig was up" so to speak. Selling out someone like that would be a fair last shot if it all went bad as well.

edit: change 'like' to 'lie'

and to add: big size letters and underlining in Meanas' quote added by me

This post has been edited by Ruse: 12 October 2011 - 11:26 AM

[Karosis]

Ruse, on 12 October 2011 - 11:23 AM, said:

According to this, Tennes was in Jiang Xia, which is a fair location for an emperor to be on Night 1. At this point, I don't know why Meanas would like about that considering this started as a last ditch effort to save his fanny, which only later devolved into ridiculousless as the "gig was up" so to speak. Selling out someone lie that would be a fair last shot if it all went bad as well.

edit: change 'like' to 'lie'

and to add: big size letters and underlining in Meanas' quote added by me

surely people where moving around on day 1 already, i dont know how much stock you can put into locations correlating to roles either.
Not an exactl science ya know

what makes you so certain its a "fair" location for an emperor to be in on night1?

[Thyrllan]

Kessobahn, on 12 October 2011 - 09:59 AM, said:

Karosis, on 12 October 2011 - 09:54 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 12 October 2011 - 09:47 AM, said:

Omtose, on 12 October 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

Atrahal you are the last person who I wish to get angry at me or get into a pissing match with. I am not in the warlords camp. I have spent the majority of the game trying to figure out who are the warlords and I am very certain that karosis is either a warlord or a Champion, and based off of some of his recent posts I am convinced that he is a warlord.

Do you want to explain why Atrahal's good opinion of you is quite so important?

i know...this strikes me of him trying to tell atrahal that he is "hint hint...nudge nudge" barking up the wrong tree.

quite a blatant signal that he thinks they are on the same team... hmmm

It has got to be minion to emperor or champion to warlord, as I highly doubt the cult master wouldn't know his minion?

it is a good time to look at Atrahal, but I would like more info from Barghast as to how he has 'concluded' that Telas was in a barbarian zone?

I'm going to
vote Barghast
to see what pops out.

Incredibly blatant. Which has me wavering who I might possibly want to vote for between the two. I think I'll wait until Omtose gets back and see if there's any explanation forthcoming.

[Ruse]

Deep in the territory? Not a border town? If the emperor started in Jiang Xi, or one tile to the south, that would make sense, no? Meaning if he started one to the south and moved, there was only one place to go. It's not far-fetched.

Besides, if you're an emperor, I don't see moving on day 1 as being a priority since the game is just underway.

[Omtose]

Thyrllan, on 12 October 2011 - 09:47 AM, said:

Omtose, on 12 October 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

Atrahal you are the last person who I wish to get angry at me or get into a pissing match with. I am not in the warlords camp. I have spent the majority of the game trying to figure out who are the warlords and I am very certain that karosis is either a warlord or a Champion, and based off of some of his recent posts I am convinced that he is a warlord.

Do you want to explain why Atrahal's good opinion of you is quite so important?

sarcasm retard that was sarcasm

[Karosis]

Ruse, on 12 October 2011 - 11:44 AM, said:

Deep in the territory? Not a border town? If the emperor started in Jiang Xi, or one tile to the south, that would make sense, no? Meaning if he started one to the south and moved, there was only one place to go. It's not far-fetched.

Besides, if you're an emperor, I don't see moving on day 1 as being a priority since the game is just underway.

the point is you cant really tell...its all just speculation. just because you think its a good starting position doesnt make it where the emperor actually started.

That with the fact that people are moving around...makes it difficult for anyone to lynch him simply because he was there at the end of day one...."allegedly".

meh

[Ruse]

Fair enough, but the votes on Telas are based on tenuous speculation at best as well. As much as I risk 'symping telas', I think my reasoning has more...well... reason.

[Karosis]

Omtose, on 12 October 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 12 October 2011 - 09:47 AM, said:

Omtose, on 12 October 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

Atrahal you are the last person who I wish to get angry at me or get into a pissing match with. I am not in the warlords camp. I have spent the majority of the game trying to figure out who are the warlords and I am very certain that karosis is either a warlord or a Champion, and based off of some of his recent posts I am convinced that he is a warlord.

Do you want to explain why Atrahal's good opinion of you is quite so important?

sarcasm retard that was sarcasm

retard?...that rich coming from you. And how you "misinterpreted" my post earlier.

And since you never gave any indication of it being sarcasm (No emoticon, no obligitory /sarcasm tag....nothing) then how was anybody supposed to catch on that it was supposed to be sarcastic?

Does not read like sarcasm....clearly.


yet you have the audacity to call HIM a retard?

[Ruse]

For Omtose on the other hand, there is a little more meat to the speculation.