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The Cosmere Conundurum Spoilers for ALL BS books till tWoK

#1 User is offline   Aooga 

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 10:34 AM

Without having looked very carefully I could not spot any thread topic discussing the overall universe of Brandon Sanderson aka the cosmere.
So decided to create this thread to hopefully get answers to my own n00b questions and may be enlighten others.

#####SPOILERS for all the following books: Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker and The Way of Kings###
BIG TITTIED SPOILERS WITH SPOILERS IMPLANTS!!

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So it's no secret that BS is planning some overarching plot to connect all his various novels written to date (not including WoT (yet) or those kid books). What we know so far is that at least one character makes an appearance in all the books, namely Hoid. Who or what he is is anyone's guess. What's clear is that he's some kind of planet hopper. I think that's all that's really clear. Ok we also know about the shards but....what do we know about the shards really? A shard is weapon, an entity, an elemental being what exactly? There are plenty of discussions on other boards where the speculation goes completely over my head as I just don't have a clear idea of all the reference points.

So, I guess what I'd first like to ask of those fans with very strong quote fu are book and page references for:

- all mentions of Hoid in Elantris, Warbreaker and Mistborn.
- all mentions of the cosmere and these so called 'shards' in all the books. Some of these are pretty obscure. e.g. one of those chapter headers in tWoK makes mention of a name that just happens to be the same as the being Ruin in Mistborn (apparently it was his original name.

aaaaaand..go!

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 10:16 AM

What was said above for me to....

I can't remeber Hoid from any of the books ;)
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Posted 29 July 2011 - 01:12 PM

I remember Hoid from Elantris and Warbreaker, but wasn't he also in The Way of Kings? Its been a while since I read TWoK but wasn't Hoid a character that had a conversation with Kaladin before or after a battle. I remember Kaladin sitting down with this person and talking, cant remember what?? I though that was Hoid.

TWoK was my first Brandon Sanderson book, I knew nothing of Hoid or the Cosmere back then. Only after reading the book that I learned about Hoid and then noticed him in Elantris and Warbreaker.

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 05:56 PM

So far, Hoid has been in each of brandon's series'.

in Mistborn, he's an informant that Vin ends up not talking to for no reason other than her 'instincts'. though i'm inclined to believe that was ruin's influence talking, as hoid obviously knows a lot about him

in elantris and warbreaker he's a storyteller, yes? i haven't read those for a while.

in WoK he is the King's Wit, and apparently one of the books in tSA will feature his POV, which should kick ass

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 06:08 PM

Yeah, I also remember Hoid from Mistborn, but I missed him in Elantris (as that was my first Sanderson and I wasn't looking for him yet), and Warbreaker, but I think he's most present and clear in TWOK when he has his convo with Kaladin on the Shattered Plains especially.

The Shards are interesting, in fact there is a whole website called the http://www.17thshard.com/ where they discuss the cosmere at length. I seem to recall something about Preservation and Ruin in Mistborn are shards. Basically the idea being that all the magics from the different worlds would have their beginnings with the Shards which is why I think that Stormlight will probably shed the most light on them...but I could be wrong. Seeing as it's Sanderson's lifelong epic series baby though it seems plausible we'll get much more with the next installment in the SLA.

that's all I've got.

EDIT: Here's a link with some info put together on the Cosmere.

http://www.17thshard...91-cosmere-101/

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 08:45 PM

Yeah, Hoid has been in every one of Sanderson's adult fantasy novels. WoT is not part of it and never will be, since Sanderson is doing work for hire on that series and it would not be appropriate to link it in with Jordan's work. Alcatraz is also not part of it.

Something very interesting that Sanderson said a long time ago:

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According to Sanderson his books are a bit like Stephen King's multiverse: stand-alone, readable series in their own right, but there will (eventually) be a book or series of books explaining all the links, fulfilling the function that THE DARK TOWER does in King's mythology (so you can read THE STAND and EYE OF THE DRAGON as individual novels, but then DARK TOWER shows how Randall Flagg links the two books together and furthers Flagg's story in THE DARK TOWER itself). At different times he's said the DRAGONSTEEL series (seven books, which he probably won't work on until after STORMLIGHT ARCHIVE, so maybe still a decade off in the future) or a single novel called just HOID will explain everything.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 09:02 PM

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:12 AM

While I only learned about the Cosmere a few weeks ago. This does explain (something which I had thought to be just his writing style)why the Lashings of tWoK felt so very similar to the pushing and pulling of metalurgy of Mistborn. I should of given him more credit as a writer, then to have just assumed. I wonder if we will see kaladin beginning to subtley effect the emotions of those around him?
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 04:12 AM

View PostDravon, on 03 August 2011 - 05:12 AM, said:

While I only learned about the Cosmere a few weeks ago. This does explain (something which I had thought to be just his writing style)why the Lashings of tWoK felt so very similar to the pushing and pulling of metalurgy of Mistborn. I should of given him more credit as a writer, then to have just assumed. I wonder if we will see kaladin beginning to subtley effect the emotions of those around him?


I like this idea because I think he already is unknowingly effecting the emotions of those around him. If he figures out that he can do this, wow.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 12:25 AM

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View PostDravon, on 03 August 2011 - 05:12 AM, said:

While I only learned about the Cosmere a few weeks ago. This does explain (something which I had thought to be just his writing style)why the Lashings of tWoK felt so very similar to the pushing and pulling of metalurgy of Mistborn. I should of given him more credit as a writer, then to have just assumed. I wonder if we will see kaladin beginning to subtley effect the emotions of those around him?


I like this idea because I think he already is unknowingly effecting the emotions of those around him. If he figures out that he can do this, wow.

if this does happen, i think it would be a more indirect effect of his radiant powers. there's a possibility that there are powers in roshar that can directly affect emotions, but from what info we have after WoK, i'm not prepared to accept that kaladin has those powers. his force of personality, his generosity as well as his superhuman abilities are what combine to affect his companions.
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 11:32 PM

View PostWerthead, on 31 July 2011 - 08:45 PM, said:

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Been reading Warbreaker and I found a couple of bits on Hoid in there that seemed very important.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:29 AM

Last bit of that spoiler sounds like it could describe the start of stormlight
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:45 PM

I was searching for Hoid in ALLOY OF LAW and didn't spot him (but that means nothing, as I also missed him in the second MISTBORN book). Then I read the appendix and laughed my head off, as the appendix is written by Hoid and even compares Scadrial's magic system to that of the planet ELANTRIS takes place on (Sel). Nicely done by Sanderson.

EDIT: Ah, Hoid does put in an appearance:

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EDIT2: Oh, interesting. Apparently there's several other characters who cross over between worlds:

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EDIT3: Oh yes, there's also a letter in WAY OF KINGS which mentions Ati/Ruin (from MISTBORN) and events on Sel (from ELANTRIS' backstory) and seems to indicate the central conflict of STORMLIGHT ARCHIVE will have huge ramifications for the entire Cosmere, not just Roshar.

Some additional clarification on future plans:

After finishing AMoL, Sanderson will get straight into STORMLIGHT #2. He'll then write STORMLIGHT #3-5, but interspersed with one or two more short Wax/Wane MISTBORN side-books. He will then write the second MISTBORN trilogy in its entirety, and then STORMLIGHT #6-10, interspersed with either other short side-books or maybe WARBREAKER II, which he'll write gradually and post online as a work in progress, like he did with WB1. After STORMLIGHT is concluded, he will then write the third and final MISTBORN trilogy, which will apparently feature Hoid more heavily (based on WAY OF KINGS Hoid and the Cosmere setting will play a larger role in the rest of STORMLIGHT anyway). The MISTBORN III trilogy will apparently focus on magic-generated FTL travel, which may have time-distortion effects and explain how characters can cross between worlds and apparently not age.

There will also be a seven-book series called DRAGONSTEEL to come after STORMLIGHT and MISTBORN III which sounds like it will go right back to the start of the Cosmere and feature the shattering of Adonalsium as a major plot point. This is way, way off, however (we are talking maybe 2027-28 :Oops: before Brandon puts out the first book, assuming he keeps to one book a year and is not delayed by any further projects).

EDIT4: Apparently Sanderson evisages 36 books for the Cosmere setting. We are currently 6 books into that, so lots more to come.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:41 PM

Clever bastard! *grumble* Now I may have to read beyond his Mistborn trilogy *grumble*
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:44 PM

I've only caught Hoid in first reads of STORMLIGHT (obviously), and WARBREAKER and utterly missed him in the other material...and when I keep reading about these hints it always makes me want to do a re-read with the cosmere in mind as I do.

One day. Possibly before the next STORMLIGHT book comes out.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:37 PM

I really wish I knew about The Cosmere when 1st read Sanderson with Elantris. I didn't find out about it till after I'd read TWOK so I ll be very observant when I read his next book.(shit I've never yet read Alloy, need to order it soon). I did grab TWOK and flipped through it to read Hoid and planet hoppers sections.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:07 AM

Hoid is also a fairly important character in The Emperor's Soul though he doesn't appear on screen.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

That's the other I need. I ll order them both once done with AMOL. QT said it was really good.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:32 AM

Lets not forget that to Planet Hop from what we know so far you have to go to Shadesmar(map is in TWOK HC in the back) that Shallan went to. I hope we get more info on Galladon and Demoux got there and in the 17th Shard to begin with.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:09 AM

Was it just me that noticed he kept saying Dreamshards in AMOL? I don't remember RJ saying that.
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