[Griff Edur]

Pg696 Dust of Dreams - Bantam (HC)

Rudd Elalle's name has changed to RYADD ELEIS, is this a mistake? I know names can be changed or seen differently from region to region, or a persons name is sometimes completely different like a nickname or, like with the gods, they have different names.

But this pronounces the same way and is not used in conversation like when words are wrote to express an accent. It is in the narration.

So, does anyone know, mistake? or intentional?

If, intentional though, what is the reason?

Cheers.

[Ilona]

It's intentional. I thought there was a scene where Silchas even tells Rud that Ryadd Eleis is his true name.

Reason? He's a son of Menandore, but raised by first the humans of Meckros and then the Imass of the Refugium. His Meckros father's last name was Elalle, and Rud just means "found", unless my memory is majorly screwed. Hence his human-given name Rud Elalle. His Eleint name, given by Menandore or whoever it is that names such creatures, is Ryadd Eleis.

This post has been edited by Ilona: 15 June 2011 - 03:23 PM

[Sindriss]

I think the first is his t'lan imass name and the new one his eleint name.

[Abyss]

Wasn't Rud the Mekros word for foundling, and Elalle the adoptive parent's name (suggesting a link to Shurq, btw)?

pretty sure Ryadd Eleis was the eleint name Silchas gave him.

[D'rek]

Abyss, on 15 June 2011 - 03:31 PM, said:

Wasn't Rud the Mekros word for foundling, and Elalle the adoptive parent's name (suggesting a link to Shurq, btw)?

pretty sure Ryadd Eleis was the eleint name Silchas gave him.

Yup. Shurq mentions an uncle she had on a Meckros city, btw.

[MTS]

Abyss and Ilona are right, here are the corresponding quotes:

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Rud meant found in the Meckros trade tongue.

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‘Ulshun Pral wanted to know if you’re my father. I told him my father’s dead. I told him, no, you aren’t. My father was Araq Elalle. He died.’

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'Tell me what you see, Rud Elalle, Ryadd Eleis - do you know those words, your true name? They are Tiste Andii - do you know what they mean?'
'No.'
Silchas Ruin studied the embers cupped in his hands. 'Just this. Your true name, Ryadd Eleis, means "Hands of Fire". Your mother looked into the soul of her son, and saw all there was to see.

[Roldom]

but it wasnt meandore who named him,

she doesnt seem the kind of mum who would come up with a name, then find a people whose word for foundling is Rud and then find one of them whose surname sounds like eleis, just so years from now she could pretend to have meant it all along

[Mischiefs' Folly]

Silchas tells Rudd, that his mother looked into his soul and saw true. Ryadd Eleis is his true name--and means: Hands of fire.

[Illuyankas]

Silchas Ruin is actually an excellent bullshitter and loves puns.

[Sindriss]

MTS, on 15 June 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:

Abyss and Ilona are right, here are the corresponding quotes:

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Rud meant found in the Meckros trade tongue.

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‘Ulshun Pral wanted to know if you’re my father. I told him my father’s dead. I told him, no, you aren’t. My father was Araq Elalle. He died.’

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'Tell me what you see, Rud Elalle, Ryadd Eleis - do you know those words, your true name? They are Tiste Andii - do you know what they mean?'
'No.'
Silchas Ruin studied the embers cupped in his hands. 'Just this. Your true name, Ryadd Eleis, means "Hands of Fire". Your mother looked into the soul of her son, and saw all there was to see.

And Sindriss as well mofo

[Griff Edur]

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Ah, I remember Sichas saying that now, it's hard to remember some things (most things) first time through.

Cheers Guys