[Eloth]

Barghast, on 16 June 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

D, on 16 June 2011 - 07:13 PM, said:

Barghast, on 16 June 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

D, on 16 June 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

I'm thinking Fener, Barghast, or possibly Okaros. Why Okaros? I have no idea.

There is still plenty of time in the day, so I'm going to hold off voting until Fener can show up and maybe do some posting.

Is there any other reason you figure me for cult except the day one banter and the fact that we both found Tiam's suspicious behavior suspicious?

Fener will likely only be on again in around 12 hours. Luckily we still have about 20.

As I did a read-through, your name came up a couple times. If we are going to do it, I think you would be a from game start Amnion, whereas fener strikes me more as a recruit.

However, thinking about what Kalse said, those recruiting options make sense depending on the size of the team. If, for instance, trumpet started with 6, and the amnions started with two, (assuming the other factions have 4) then once a night recruiting could be fair. If, however the cult started with 3-4, then I see the every other night, or even a token system, working well...

So the question is, are the trumpet reveals real? If so, then I don't think you are an Amnion. If the trumpet reveals are fake, then I think you very well could be an Amnion.

Fair enough. Looking back I can see how Ruse's reference to Gam's uncle could possibly be signalling (very likely if Gam was in fact the alt told to recruits). Personally I think the Amnion started with three. The two players named in the wiki entry of which Gam would appear to be the non-recruiter and Ruse, the pre-game recruit.

Barghast, on 16 June 2011 - 07:38 PM, said:

Reading back through the first few pages, I think Fener's attitude changed more when D'riss joined the conversation and he started to get frustrated with arguing the same point again. The vote for Merrid was a while after that and the point that he gave in. The tone from then to now has changed a bit more though, so I can still see it being justifiable as the reasoning behind a vote. That said it comes across as a new recruit trying to lay a bit lower than anything else. Not a bad vote with no other info, but not the best that we could possibly hope for either.

The other person that stands out to me is Eloth. Not just because they said a fair bit, because of some of their reasoning, especially the thought that all four factions would be balanced when we have been told there is a cult.

out of soo much to point out you throw these two doozeys in for me right at the end. in a game fo sixteen players you say the cult starts with three but find it suspicious that i said its likely the four teams are divided evenly.

you say 3, i say 4, i am suspicious as a result?

@driss - are you serious? there is ALWAYS an order. If there werent, guards and heal wouldnt work.

[Eloth]

@tiam and alkend - worst reveals in history. It clearly states that the winning conditions are not exclusive therefore more than one team can win so if tiam was trumpet he would not give a fuck about the umc or umpc. when tiam goes on a umc hunt, claims trumpet and then alkend says trumpet are only after amnion it proves one is lying. the two do not match up despite the retroactive grasping that tiam did. From earlier it seems highly unlikely tiam is umc or umpc and he clearly isnt trumpet. that leaves cult. alkend has been consistent, while tiam seems all over the place.

vote tiam

dont believe your trumpet - and a fake reveal always deserves a lynch

[Eloth]

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 08:54 PM, said:

i'm going away for a little while, be back on tomorrow still plenty of time but at this moment I am going to

vote fener

This seems the best option with all that has been said so far, i'd also be happy with a tiam vote because i think he was lying about his faction, i only outed myself because i didn't understand his motivations and it would have looked fishy if i just said i think he is wrong without backing it up.

while i think fener is deserving of a vote - if you believe tiam is lying about his faction why are you giving him a free pass?

[Eloth]

Tiamatha, on 16 June 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

@Tiam - are you saying you are trumpet?

i mean i have been hinting at that all game, and i guess i should just reveal and say yes im trumpet (i haven't enjoyed seeing my team knocked off). unfortunately, im not sure how many of my team members there are left, so im at a loss at that. and yes fener, i still, and always, have agreed amnion need to go. i just don't want to keep lynching my own team mates and then have umpc or umc swoop in to win the game. but yeah, im sure this reveal doesn't really do much for anyone since i could be lying, but currently, if you can believe me, i am just a trumpet

Path-Shaper, on 12 June 2011 - 06:30 PM, said:

Game set up

Four teams, the Amnion (cult), the crew of the trumpet, The U.M.C. and The U.M.C.P.

several victory conditions means that more than one team can win.

No quoting PMs on thread.

its been repeated by me and others. tiam you were even in the speculation a few days ago about winning conditions. your reveal doesnt make sense. If you are worried about lynching team mates as you put it, sticking yourself out there for all to see is ridiculious. heres our exchange where you try to imply you are trumpet or cult and i point out that winning condiiotons mean more than one team can win.

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

Eloth, on 15 June 2011 - 01:32 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

I would assume that there is a round robin sort of winning condition. we know that a trumpet member was specifically set up to remove cult or block cult so its likely that the trumpet are aiming to remove them as their winning condition. It looks though like umpc are trying to remove or to capture angus for their winning condition against the umc?? cult is probably a standard have more players sort of scenario, or remove all leaders. Umc is probably then something tied into a combo of all three but to a much lesser extent..

It does state the winning conditions arent really exclusive and more than one team can win.

[Eloth]

heading to bed, back on in about ten hours or so.

[Okaros]

Kalse, on 16 June 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

Okaros, on 16 June 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

D, on 16 June 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

I'm thinking Fener, Barghast, or possibly Okaros. Why Okaros? I have no idea.

There is still plenty of time in the day, so I'm going to hold off voting until Fener can show up and maybe do some posting.

i love it.

I was actually thinking the same about you - until fairly recently, you'd been making a lot of vague, hit-and-run posts.

except for the fact that I spent all of day 2 (when i was around) calling out tiam. and lo and behold, I was right.

[Kalse]

Okaros, on 16 June 2011 - 10:07 PM, said:

Kalse, on 16 June 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

Okaros, on 16 June 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

D, on 16 June 2011 - 07:05 PM, said:

I'm thinking Fener, Barghast, or possibly Okaros. Why Okaros? I have no idea.

There is still plenty of time in the day, so I'm going to hold off voting until Fener can show up and maybe do some posting.

i love it.

I was actually thinking the same about you - until fairly recently, you'd been making a lot of vague, hit-and-run posts.

except for the fact that I spent all of day 2 (when i was around) calling out tiam. and lo and behold, I was right.

I don't think you can claim to be right yet, but Eloth is making a pretty compelling case that Tiam isn't really Trumpet, and may be cult. If not originally, than recruited.

[Tiamatha]

Path-Shaper, on 12 June 2011 - 06:24 PM, said:

At Enablement Station, the Amnion use their advanced biological technology to speed up Morn's pregnancy, allowing her to give birth much earlier than normal. Her child, named Davies after her now-dead father, is force-grown into an adult and imprinted with Morn's mind. During the imprinting procedure, Morn uses her zone implant to retain her sanity. This surprises the Amnion, as normally the process of mind-imprinting destroys the original mind — Morn has used some process to preserve her sanity, but the Amnion don't know what this process is. If they can discover and replicate this process, the Amnion can create human-resembling Amnion and potentially gain control over human-inhabited space. As such, Davies becomes very valuable to the Amnion. When Morn breaks Davies out of the Amnion's captivity and flees aboard Captain's Fancy, the Amnion commit an act of interstellar war and pursue them into human space.

Meanwhile, the UMCP has "requisitioned" Angus from his prison on Com-Mine Station, and transformed him into a cyborg under their direct control, to be used as a tool against other pirates. Secretly though, Angus has orders to rescue Morn from Nick and return her to Earth.

Warden Dios, Director of the UMCP, turns out to be playing a very deep game. His boss, Holt Fasner — known as "The Dragon", is CEO of the United Mining Companies and owner of the UMCP, and is the most powerful human being in existence. Fasner is utterly corrupt, and Dios wants to end the corruption — corruption in which he has been entirely complicit. Dios is using Morn and Angus to create an artificial crisis through which he can expose the Dragon's corruption and remove the UMCP from the UMC's control — destroying himself in the process. If Dios is to be successful, Morn is required to arrive on Earth to testify that she helped Nick (who is an occasional agent-of-convenience of the UMCP) to frame Angus with the assistance of Com-Mine Station Security — an act which led to the passage of the Preempt Act and made the Dragon the de facto ruler of humanity.

D, on 16 June 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 16 June 2011 - 05:33 PM, said:

Why the assumption that Kalse is a leader?

As for Fener and Eloth agreeing on Merrid, people don't often get really emotionally involved on day 1. Despite the number of posts, their argument was only a little heated and I don't see why Fener wouldn't switch to get a vote when he was seeing his day 1 argument fail. OTOH, he did switch a lot earlier than necessary for that, when he more likely would've waited until later in the day to give in. The whole thing is fairly suspicious. Plus, it IS fener...

Go read his posts. He is a power role of some sort. He is doing everything he can to not make waves.

And the Fener/Eloth thing... just read through it. It was odd, especially when it happened before there really was a 'train' and were just a couple votes.

@Barghast - I know. Unless all the trumpets are dead or hiding. Lets say that Kalse is the last 'real' trumpet, Morn. She is can apparently ignore pain and might have some NK's. Of course, judging by the scene, she wants to 'get to earth' to destroy the UMC and remove the UMCP from the UMC. Does it make sense then that either the UMCP or UMC might have VC's to kill both Morn and Davies? And Davies s already dead, right? Therefore Morn is worried that if she reveals as a trumpet with the 'real' trumpet VC's, then the UMCP can win the game by killing her.

Look at that speculation. LOOK AT IT.

I'm not sure you are right about Morn being trumpet. Look at the OP quoted above your quote. it says she is on the Captain's Fancy, not the Trumpet. i really can't figure out how the trumpet fits in actually, esp. since PS didn't even mention the trumpet till a later post after the game started.

D, on 16 June 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

But they don't have to be cult. What if they are UMP or UMCP, masquerading as Trumpet to be 'unlynchable'? If one of them has some sort of defense against getting hit by amnions, like a vig-response, that would be an awesome play.

My head hurts.

i don't consider myself unlynchable. actually, i am, to some extent, feeling unorthodox for mafia and hoping you will lynch me, esp if i am going to be ignored for the remainder of the game. maybe once you see the truth, my words will actually mean something and you can garner more info to sink a win for trumpet (i am pretty sure we at least have a captain since there as been no cf otherwise)

Eloth, on 16 June 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

@tiam and alkend - worst reveals in history. It clearly states that the winning conditions are not exclusive therefore more than one team can win so if tiam was trumpet he would not give a fuck about the umc or umpc. when tiam goes on a umc hunt, claims trumpet and then alkend says trumpet are only after amnion it proves one is lying. the two do not match up despite the retroactive grasping that tiam did. From earlier it seems highly unlikely tiam is umc or umpc and he clearly isnt trumpet. that leaves cult. alkend has been consistent, while tiam seems all over the place.

vote tiam

dont believe your trumpet - and a fake reveal always deserves a lynch

i can't believe how single, and small minded you are and everyone who thinks that i violate some VC code in mentioning other factions. look, if you think you can find the recruiter, do it!!!


we believe there is a recruiter out there, and if we get him before he turns anyone else, the game will end and at least trumpet will win. however, if we get the recruiter and the game doesn't end, then somehow some way either Alkend and/or I are either converts or liars. either way, the next logical step would be to lynch us two and see if that ends the game since no other amnion will be created


but if lynching me first gets you guys back into gear, do so. i win if trumpet wins regardless of my state of health

Eloth, on 16 June 2011 - 09:06 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 16 June 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Alkend, on 16 June 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

@Tiam - are you saying you are trumpet?

i mean i have been hinting at that all game, and i guess i should just reveal and say yes im trumpet (i haven't enjoyed seeing my team knocked off). unfortunately, im not sure how many of my team members there are left, so im at a loss at that. and yes fener, i still, and always, have agreed amnion need to go. i just don't want to keep lynching my own team mates and then have umpc or umc swoop in to win the game. but yeah, im sure this reveal doesn't really do much for anyone since i could be lying, but currently, if you can believe me, i am just a trumpet

Path-Shaper, on 12 June 2011 - 06:30 PM, said:

Game set up

Four teams, the Amnion (cult), the crew of the trumpet, The U.M.C. and The U.M.C.P.

several victory conditions means that more than one team can win.

No quoting PMs on thread.

its been repeated by me and others. tiam you were even in the speculation a few days ago about winning conditions. your reveal doesnt make sense. If you are worried about lynching team mates as you put it, sticking yourself out there for all to see is ridiculious. heres our exchange where you try to imply you are trumpet or cult and i point out that winning condiiotons mean more than one team can win.

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

Eloth, on 15 June 2011 - 01:32 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 June 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Someone hit a cultist. Or is that symp cultist? Hmm. I've got to re-read with the new info, but I need food. Will try and be back tonight, will be on early tomorrow morning if I dont make it.

D'riss is really really really pinging my radar. he keeps giving excuses for disappearing, which in an of themselves are not bad, but then he never follows up with any solid speculations or content. i'd peg him for being a capt, but considering that all leaders are in play still, i would be nervous aobut the 1 in 4 chance of hitting the trumpets leader (does anyone think that eliminating all trumpets is a game win condition?)

on that note, i also think we need to start getting a discussion going trying to tease out both winnning conditions for each faction and their following MOs. as I mentioned earlier, and as you all know, this is faction game not town/scum so we need to think a little with a more complexity

but, we have four leaders and maybe seconds right? and there is a recruiter and at least two night killers. we haven't even talked about UMPC and UMC. what special rolls would they have? and they are the biggest human factions right? rereading the OP i would speculate that UMC's "dragon" is also an ultimate enemy and even though we need to get rid of the cult first because of its potential to grow while the rest of us diminish, i don't think we should let that second story line slide of our radar

I would assume that there is a round robin sort of winning condition. we know that a trumpet member was specifically set up to remove cult or block cult so its likely that the trumpet are aiming to remove them as their winning condition. It looks though like umpc are trying to remove or to capture angus for their winning condition against the umc?? cult is probably a standard have more players sort of scenario, or remove all leaders. Umc is probably then something tied into a combo of all three but to a much lesser extent..

It does state the winning conditions arent really exclusive and more than one team can win.

i;m ballsy, what can i say. agian, think outside of the box people. you are/were doing so well

[Tiamatha]

and to clarify, as i have stated, though i guess this may be the most explicit statement as such, I am hunting for cult AND captains. captains seem easier to find at this point, and lynching any cult other than the recruiter is a waste of time or a dangerous use of time at least. and my VC is to knock off all cult people, but i have no illusions that i could accomplish that before someone else got me and my team. maybe the reason i sound dishonest is i am speaking completely honestly (esp with my own unique mind), and that alone throws people for a loop in mafia

[Tiamatha]

ok, as i said (or was that one of those deleted posts from the crash, can't remember) i have now also gone back through eloths stuff for the first two days. see comments below

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 12:45 PM, said:

how long is left now?

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 12:49 PM, said:

well i should be on for a couple of hours - nice catch on that fener random quote. I had just thought he had confused me with alkend, seems he has confused me with himself

thiese quotes i blieve captures the essence of eloth on day one. he seemed to be biding his time waiting for day's end, not saying much in terms of substance, and overall just having a grand old time baiting fener. i noticed several misquotes through out (and i must say that on day two his accuracy in quoting didn't improve that much), but for the most part i got the feeling he was wasting time while saying a lot of nothing (not that fener said that much himself)

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 01:52 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 14 June 2011 - 01:42 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

Since no one wants to see it my way

No, I think it's easy to understand what you mean, but after reading back over the last few pages, I think this has turned into one of the most interesting day 1's of a faction game because of Alkend's vote and the subsequent debate. Usually day 1 is pretty tame since, like I said earlier, people are too cagey to push too hard in any direction.

Well....i would say its the fact that Eloth decided to start the wifom thing plus start talking how random day one inevitably always is that really got this started. Alkend never pushed his vote hard....i pushed hard back though and it has escalated nicely since then.
Yea, alkends vote was certainly catalyst...but it is not the main the reason we have been arguing from my point of view.

Anyways... the idea was to make this an interesting day and not let it be like eloth thinks/wants it to be.

i don't know what fener thinks eloth wants, but the rest of fener's quote seems a pretty accurate sum of day 1

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 02:39 PM, said:

you orreacted to the suggestion of going for low posters claiming its a pet peeve, then to disprove you are in any way attached to merrid you are willing to throw him to the wolves. Considering your claim that you voted me because i didnt care who I voted for, when at the slightest nudge you manage to make yourself a perfectly reasonable lynch, you have the nerve to turn around and vote for merrid simply to prove you werent protecting him. so irrational and mercenary.

remove vote

vote merrid

we need to lynch everyday and dspite feners play i cannot see him being lynched.

im damned if i do and im damned if i dont....so watever dude.
You the one who put us together....so its on you.
I really do hope he is your team mate and not mine.

I never ovreacted to the alkends vote though...as much as you would like to delude youself and the rest that i did.

I might have overreacted to your views of voting day 1 however...meh

When we started talking I had three posts and you had two and we were middle to top of the post count. Saying that a lynch would be luck (my words) or random (your words) on day 1 when the majority of people havent posted isnt trying to run a game by lynching off low posters its simply stating a fact. Even now 90 % of those playing have less than ten posts, any chance of determining a players faction based on a scattering of posts is very low and totally dependant on them either making mistakes or placing clues in their posts. I honestly do not know where you are getting your anger from as regards my opinion on voting off a low poster. Especially when i was waiting for people to show up and hadnt even actively pushed against a specific player.

and finally for day one, feigned innocence. kind of like saying not my fault you kept ranting at my snide prodding

day 2, you've seen the screen shot, so i looked back through those screen shots for eloth .

early on, he seems to make some salient remarks as to the recent lynching and deaths of day and night 1 respectively. he also actually speculates on VC (not that many people have brought this post by eloth) and nails trumpets objective right on the head.


moreover, he has a thing about barghast? he voted for barghast in post #251 for no obviously good reason that i could see


#275 is worth particular attention. (i forgot to add it to this post so i will quote after i finish here). eloth makes several misleading statements such as pointing to fener's high post count from day 1 without admitting to his own numerous posting and harrying me over only paying attention to two factions when in fact i've been arguing for looking into all four this whole game.

anyways, that is my review of eloth.

[Tiamatha]

and here is #275 for completeness' ske

Eloth, on 15 June 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

D, on 15 June 2011 - 02:24 PM, said:

Eloth, on 15 June 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

D, on 15 June 2011 - 02:18 PM, said:

Eloth, on 15 June 2011 - 02:14 PM, said:

i could quote it for you if you like, maybe reading the op and the rules might make things clearer for you.

Are you still talking to me? If so, are you delusional?

about what?

I know what the rules said, and I think I have wrapped my head around the scene. I'm still not going to speculate on winning conditions for any faction, especially since I don't know any but the ones I was given. Either my speculation would be way off, and those people would know I am not on their team, or it is way too correct and they vote me off for being dumb. Unless it gets down to very close to WCS cult win time, there is absolutely no reason to talk about winning conditions, which is a huge 'why' at Tiam.

And Fener was pissy about it yesterday, but it got people talking. As of yet, I don't see much at all that Serc has said... Fener is at around 50 posts. Should he have five times the posts of someone else, on the second day of the game, without a lot of spam? I don't think so.

If you think my discussion gave you a clue as to my faction then feel free to make a case based on it if you think i am in a rival faction to yourself. I myself am not worried about discussing things on thread. Tiam ignored two teams in such a way that it was clear he had no idea about anything to do with them (clearly didnt read the op) and was therefore either lying or is genuinely not in them. By calling them out on it straight away and avoiding all discussion its therefore just as likely barghast is umc or umpc which is equally bad play imo.

A lot of feners posts where because of the arguing yesterday.

[Okaros]

so, do you think he's cult?

because if not, seems like a waste....

[Tiamatha]

who are you talking to okie? and who is he that may be cult?

[Tiamatha]

ok, im heading to bed. but before i do, i want to place a placeholder vote, to be further scrutinized closer to day's end.

so this is the way i see it right now:

we have an unresolved mystery surrounding fener and eloth that we can't get past and need to tease out. fener is going all over the place with his posts and may have more connection to eloth than it seems from they way they fought early day 1. eloth on the other hand has been cheeky enjoying rousing ire but not really contributing much otherwise imo. i would like to add that there has been a little back and forth between eloth and barghast, esp when barghast commented he would vote just like eloth and with the brief encounter where eloth voted for barghast and then withdrew the vote

we also can't seem to resolve the strangeness around myself, alkend, and the potential other trumpets. we have both alkend and i agreeing on the VCs for the trumpets and both claiming to be trumpets. current suspicions lean strongly toward me being a liar at best and at worst cult. alkend meanwhile has pulled back and holds that he is trumpet but he doesn't believe my claims. moreover, alkend claims he just revealed to make sure he didn't seem "fishy" while probing at my own fishiness

now, there are a few fringe people that have me a little nervous at the moment. we have the sniper okaros who asks a lot of questions, reminds me of shadowthrone in his giggly terse comments (especially when he accidentally double posted and then just joked about it, seems like filler to me), and seems to overall have it out for me

we also have the mysterious Kalse who imo seems to make a lot of wise, but very cautious observations. if i would pick anyone as captain, it would be him. i must confess i prefer his observations over most of the rest of you

there is the very strange, low lying Kara, who as far as i could tell made all of three comments in day 2, none of any earth-shattering substance, and this last day has remained largely innocuous, being helpful in suggesting that we stick to lynching a potential recruiter so as not to give the cult more time to build up their army and asking a lot of helpful questions about factions while pointing out that "There are 22 names in that list, couting Ruse once."

And what about liosan, speaking of the unobtrusive. we see most of him on day 3 on page 12 where he works out some of the logistics of our faction game:

"Although the town/scum references aren't really accurate, many people have described their overall objective of the game as "eliminate cult". In the sense that this pits the cult against the other three factions, I can understand how people are using "town" to mean "not-cult". All the bitching about it seems pretty pedantic. Anyway."

making sure we don't forget that the words "town" and "scum" don't really apply in this game and then following up this reminder with questions and clarifications, focusing a lot of attention on me without making that many commitments (or useful comments for that matter)


and finally, that brings me to our movers and shakers: d'riss and anom, who both have a lot to say about, well, everything. i'm really not sure what to do with these two. d'riss really got to me early on, but he stepped up and started actually putting in some logical and thoughtful insights. anom, as far as i've observed, has been saying relatively useful things all game without showing that much extreme emotion (probably my interpretation there)

so this above is how i see the field. i think it's key to resolve the trumpets issue and the fener/eloth spat. since i want to see both resolved and since fener and eloth were first up, i'll vote for the more slippery and potentially threatening of the two

Vote Eloth

and keep an eye on the fener vote. i am not going to hold up a solution if the consensus is to start with fener. and to clarify, i think eloth may be a bold cult member (i don't think he's a leader, but, eh, who knows)

[Okaros]

I was asking about Eloth. do you think he's cult, lol?



i'll have to check how much time is left. I'll be up early tomorrow,



seems we have about 11 hours left, i'll be up in less than 8. i'll vote when I wake up.

[Eloth]

Tiamatha, on 17 June 2011 - 04:06 AM, said:

ok, im heading to bed. but before i do, i want to place a placeholder vote, to be further scrutinized closer to day's end.

so this is the way i see it right now:

we have an unresolved mystery surrounding fener and eloth that we can't get past and need to tease out. fener is going all over the place with his posts and may have more connection to eloth than it seems from they way they fought early day 1. eloth on the other hand has been cheeky enjoying rousing ire but not really contributing much otherwise imo. i would like to add that there has been a little back and forth between eloth and barghast, esp when barghast commented he would vote just like eloth and with the brief encounter where eloth voted for barghast and then withdrew the vote

we also can't seem to resolve the strangeness around myself, alkend, and the potential other trumpets. we have both alkend and i agreeing on the VCs for the trumpets and both claiming to be trumpets. current suspicions lean strongly toward me being a liar at best and at worst cult. alkend meanwhile has pulled back and holds that he is trumpet but he doesn't believe my claims. moreover, alkend claims he just revealed to make sure he didn't seem "fishy" while probing at my own fishiness

now, there are a few fringe people that have me a little nervous at the moment. we have the sniper okaros who asks a lot of questions, reminds me of shadowthrone in his giggly terse comments (especially when he accidentally double posted and then just joked about it, seems like filler to me), and seems to overall have it out for me

we also have the mysterious Kalse who imo seems to make a lot of wise, but very cautious observations. if i would pick anyone as captain, it would be him. i must confess i prefer his observations over most of the rest of you

there is the very strange, low lying Kara, who as far as i could tell made all of three comments in day 2, none of any earth-shattering substance, and this last day has remained largely innocuous, being helpful in suggesting that we stick to lynching a potential recruiter so as not to give the cult more time to build up their army and asking a lot of helpful questions about factions while pointing out that "There are 22 names in that list, couting Ruse once."

And what about liosan, speaking of the unobtrusive. we see most of him on day 3 on page 12 where he works out some of the logistics of our faction game:

"Although the town/scum references aren't really accurate, many people have described their overall objective of the game as "eliminate cult". In the sense that this pits the cult against the other three factions, I can understand how people are using "town" to mean "not-cult". All the bitching about it seems pretty pedantic. Anyway."
making sure we don't forget that the words "town" and "scum" don't really apply in this game and then following up this reminder with questions and clarifications, focusing a lot of attention on me without making that many commitments (or useful comments for that matter)

and finally, that brings me to our movers and shakers: d'riss and anom, who both have a lot to say about, well, everything. i'm really not sure what to do with these two. d'riss really got to me early on, but he stepped up and started actually putting in some logical and thoughtful insights. anom, as far as i've observed, has been saying relatively useful things all game without showing that much extreme emotion (probably my interpretation there)

so this above is how i see the field. i think it's key to resolve the trumpets issue and the fener/eloth spat. since i want to see both resolved and since fener and eloth were first up, i'll vote for the more slippery and potentially threatening of the two

Vote Eloth

and keep an eye on the fener vote. i am not going to hold up a solution if the consensus is to start with fener. and to clarify, i think eloth may be a bold cult member (i don't think he's a leader, but, eh, who knows)

i feel so flattered, not as flattered as shadowthrone and the sniper of course, or wise old kalse. you seem to have had a sudden rebirth as someone else tiam. first couple of days it was a chore to get you to post and suddenly your the big mover and shaker. As far as i understand your case, you think fener and i had a spat on day 1 and so eventually one of us must be lynched? But because i am the slipperyest (kruppe?) i should take the swans path first! you didnt even accuse me of anything really, that cult accusation came as an afterthought. Theres no links to ruse or gam (both of who had a few bad words to say about me, and gam didnt like fener or myself). in fact there is no suggestion of cult beyond your own accusation based upon the fact that you havent enough to go on to make a case (posting someone asking for how longs left as if its a lynch worthy offense )

you will notice i voted barghast for saying we should discuss things off thread, i needed to clarify if he meant he was talking to someone off thread or discussing with the mods. I am still not 100% about him on that one but i think in the face of this sudden blossoming by you its worth ignoring for now. Your vc and your goals dont make sense and dont add up. if you are trumpet as you claim (and you backed up alkend on his winning conditions) then you should be hunting cult. Hunting captains for the purpose of stopping them going after trumpet as i understand your reasoning seems fairly ridiculious as an argument when we have lynched two trumpet in a row and should be more concerned about lynching them than someone night killing them.

[Barghast]

Seriously Tiam you are now making no sense. You want everyone to reveal their winning conditions because of course everyone wants to work together to help trumpet win, but you also state outright you are gunning for whatever power role you can possibly see. I make an offhand comment about thinking Eloth is a bit suspicious and out of nowhere there is a fairly BS case on him with the thought that he might be cult tacked on the end.

You've had a bit of pressure on you all game and I think you're starting to scramble a little. Some of the things in your story don't add up - I chalked it off to you playing very poorly and looking like you were going to submarine your team, but I can't imagine why any sane player would want to expose his faction and keep pushing everyone else to do the same and at the same time not work towards their stated faction goals. I think you are the recruiter and you either got lucky about the trumpet VC or somehow managed to get info from a recruited trumpet and decided to reveal in an attempt to throw suspicion off you. I also think that it's a bit odd that you would try start a new lynch rather than deflect onto the already growing Fener train, but Fener is choice number one for recruit in my mind, so it's not completely suprising.

vote Tiam

Edit - added 'you are gunning' so that the first bit actually makes sense

This post has been edited by Barghast: 17 June 2011 - 06:44 AM

[Fener]

Anomandaris, on 16 June 2011 - 07:02 PM, said:

You know what, I'm happy with a Fener lynch if there's enough people who agree. His behaviour has been pretty inconsistent as if trying to not appear to passive while still get agreeableness in. That could be indicative of him trying to hide himself or of being recruited. He has possible ties from Ruse and Gamelon. And he's FENER. When in doubt, you always lynch Fener!

Vote Fener

and Gamelon?

i dont remember him playing much but i really dont know where this supposed ties to me comes from?

[Fener]

And i am inconsistent?

My word...should i have a pissing match every time i come on thread just to be consistent with day one?
I think that that guys that are pushing for my lynch are likely the remaining Cult.

At least one of them.

They know recruiting me would be a waste as i have been lynchable since day one and dont want to lynch others that would make good cult recruits.
Like Alkend and Tiam are excellent cult fodder right now.

Thats if they havent been recruited already!
Why else would they blurt out their winning conditions like that?
Not feeling to much allegiance to your old team anymore?

[Fener]

Barghast, on 17 June 2011 - 06:39 AM, said:

but Fener is choice number one for recruit in my mind, so it's not completely suprising.

You think cult would bother recruiting me?...ive been rather lynch able since day one.