[Tapper]

MTS, on 21 May 2011 - 02:24 PM, said:

Battalion, on 21 May 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Looks like I've upset someone with my constant drizzle of puns regarding the gay scene. Sorry for being a pain in the arse.
Quick Tidal, The actor who plays Littlefinger was reminding me of someone too, I think it's Gary Oldman.

It wasn't the puns. I like puns. It was the 'pun intended' line after every single one that was annoying.

Plus, for me at the least, the fact that you were whining how distressed you are by a mild depiction of two half nude men doing something homo-erotic yet were hypocritical enough to be cracking jokes about homosexual sex acts.

[Battalion]

I'm so sorry for annoying you, please forgive me.

[Battalion]

Are you serious? How is that hypocritical in any way?
I'm not anti gay, I just didn't like the scene. I don't want to watch men being intimate with each other.
I don't want to see my mum and dad fucking either, but I've got no objections to them doing it where I can't see.

[flea]

Even though I think the series is well done, it will never match the books. But then I hold that the best film adaptations come from poorly written sources. One simple sample: the characters do talk an awful lot to each other. In the books this is much more acceptable -- I find it a bit tedious on TV.

I think the added stuff is the most interesting, Renly/Loras being one example, Robert/Cersi being perhaps the best. What a great conversation. Add to that the Varys/Littlefinger conversation.

The guy playing Littlefinger was great in The Wire. I like him here, but I am undecided about how he tones down his quips -- I found him more outrageous in the book. Still, the actor's interpretation is well thought out and subtle, perhaps an improvement on the books.

[Tapper]

Battalion, on 21 May 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

Are you serious? How is that hypocritical in any way?
I'm not anti gay, I just didn't like the scene. I don't want to watch men being intimate with each other.
I don't want to see my mum and dad fucking either, but I've got no objections to them doing it where I can't see.

No-one makes you watch. That's point 1. Turn around and just listen to the convo if viewing this matters so much to you, you'll just miss a minute of visuals you are not interested in and still get the full dialogue.

Point 2, there are people who don't mind watching it, and there are people who enjoyed watching that scene. So, for HBO, there is a good business reason for doing this. They give part of their fanbase what they might want to see, and maybe upset a few other viewers, but if these people like watching sex, there's enough straight sex already to compensate. If, like Spectre, you don't care about any sex at all, you have way more right to complain.

Point 3, as I said, you were cracking jokes about (gay) sex with your 'rammed down my throat' etc craigs. That was the hypocritical part: (Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have). You say you don't want to see it, but you are then going around mentioning (homo)sexual acts rather graphically and somewhat crude in just about every single pun you - intentionally - make.

Finally, there is this, your answer to Cyphon's ironic post (which you answered seriously);

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When you say you don't feel comfortable with stuff like that, are you refering to men and women having sex? Unfortunately for you, if we stop doing that the human race will become extinct in about 120 years, but hay, each to their own.

To me, this statement is wrong on several levels.
1) Cyphon was talking about depiction of heterosexual sex, your statement turns it into 'having heterosexual sex';
2) you imply that because hetero-sexual sex is the only form of pro-creation, it is therefore either OK or more OK to show it;
3) and if it is OK or more OK to show straight scenes than gay/ lesbian scenes, we're actually getting into bigotry territory, because why is this so?

I have no issues with Gothos' statement, even though he may be more severe. The reason for that is that is that he nowhere says this scene should not have been made/ shown, as you have argued, just that he doesn't like seeing it.

[worry]

Yah, I guess the difference there is "I don't like this" vs "This shouldn't exist because I don't like it".

[SpectreofEschaton]

I'd just like to note (and I do feel like I miscommunicated this, or at least left it vague), nothing about the show viscerally bothers me or elicits any kind of powerfully negative response. All my complaints are a sort of intellectual exercise (as in "what would be the effect if it had been filmed this way, instead of how it was," etc). None of them really hamper my enjoyment of the show (whose plot, characters/actors, setting, music, and all the rest I quite like). If anything, my complaining comes from having watched this episode five times over the course of the week. Nitpicks tend to stand out more on repeated viewing.

And now I learn I most likely won't be able to watch 6 tomorrow, nor do I have HBO GO to get the sneak freebie of 7. *Sigh*

[worry]

Hang anyone who posts ep 7 spoilers by their arms from a sturdy branch, and set a fire under them.

[Traveller]

Battalion, on 21 May 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Quick Tidal, The actor who plays Littlefinger was reminding me of someone too, I think it's Gary Oldman.

Yep, he reminds me of the Gary Oldman character in the Fifth Element.

[QuickTidal]

Traveller, on 22 May 2011 - 09:27 PM, said:

Battalion, on 21 May 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Quick Tidal, The actor who plays Littlefinger was reminding me of someone too, I think it's Gary Oldman.

Yep, he reminds me of the Gary Oldman character in the Fifth Element.

THAT'S IT!

Phew, thanks, it's been bugging me!

[End of Disc One]

I hope it doesn't take too long for the torrent to episode 7 to come up...HBO GO doesn't work for me and I don't want to wait up all night. Maybe I'll get up extra early before work tomorrow and check.

[Gothos]

As a side note, I must admit I didn't like the intro, or the intro music at first... but it grew on me. Now it's AWESOME.

Another thing - a buddy from work gave it a go after I've praised it and... well, he said Episode 1 didn't impress him. Last I checked he was going to give episode 2 a chance, but I haven't asked since. I think I will - it's someone who doesn't read fantasy much, nor has he read GoT at all.

[HoosierDaddy]

Tyrion's confession (aka, Chunk's spilling the beans to the Fratellis) was fantastic.

[Gothos]

hahahah aye can never get enough of Tyrion! Also, the trial by combat - awesomely done! Also, Bronn and Tyrion is the best bromance ever.

[Rhand]

I found a screen recording of episode 7 floating around on the web, as far as I know there's no scene release yet (which makes me think it won't come out until HBO airs the 7th episode next week). It's 410 mb so the quality is slightly worse than normal, but still pretty tolerable for those who are more interested in the story and just can't wait until next week.

Anyway: http://safelinking.net/p/a401ed0a94


If this is not allowed by the administrators, my sincere apologies.

[Ulrik]

Did you examined the opening? On the rotating ring is heraldic history of realm. Dragon burns Seven Kingdoms - - - Wolf, lion a nd stag kills dragon - - - Lion and wolf kneel to crowned stag! Wow!

[End of Disc One]

Thanks a bunch Rhand. I can't find a torrent yet.

[Tapper]

End of Disc One, on 23 May 2011 - 12:24 PM, said:

Thanks a bunch Rhand. I can't find a torrent yet.

I've so far been able to find one before 19.00 CET, if that helps

[QuickTidal]

Rhand, on 23 May 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

I found a screen recording of episode 7 floating around on the web, as far as I know there's no scene release yet (which makes me think it won't come out until HBO airs the 7th episode next week). It's 410 mb so the quality is slightly worse than normal, but still pretty tolerable for those who are more interested in the story and just can't wait until next week.

Anyway: http://safelinking.net/p/a401ed0a94


If this is not allowed by the administrators, my sincere apologies.

Shit, I can't grab it. Dagnabbit.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 23 May 2011 - 12:42 PM

[Rhand]

QuickTidal, on 23 May 2011 - 12:42 PM, said:

Rhand, on 23 May 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

I found a screen recording of episode 7 floating around on the web, as far as I know there's no scene release yet (which makes me think it won't come out until HBO airs the 7th episode next week). It's 410 mb so the quality is slightly worse than normal, but still pretty tolerable for those who are more interested in the story and just can't wait until next week.

Anyway: http://safelinking.net/p/a401ed0a94


If this is not allowed by the administrators, my sincere apologies.

Shit, I can't grab it. Dagnabbit.

Yeah, it's down. I got a mirror though: http://www.fileserve.com/file/eEv3ZB9