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Posted 16 April 2011 - 04:16 AM

Around the 14th chapter of HoC, I decided to start keeping a journal - or most listing all the questions that I have. I found it really helps me collect my thoughts and keep everything together while reading. A lot of my questions were answered as I read futher - however many remain unanswered. So, I'm posting it here - thinking that it might help someone else or be a good way to spark some discussion points - or long time fans can use it as trivia. So at the risk of revealing just how confused I actually am......here goes...Posted Image




House of Chains:

Chapter 14:

(1): The Jhag Odhan: Was this area created through Omtose Phellack bleeding in? Is this why the Jaghut woman Arumal says that the land is dying – somehow a ritual of Telann had counteracted against whatever Omtose Phellack magic was present?

(2): How exactly is Karsa dragging along the victims of his murders with him? Is this because he carries their trophies – is this why they are not freed? Or is this the result of some sort of curse? –Update: Yes this seems to be a curse. The Crippled God’s curse? Or those of the renegade T’lan Imass?

(3): Who do the 7 Teblor Gods serve? Why did they want to return to Omtose Phellack? Was this Thelomen land that was taken by the Jaghut? It is suggested that they are the Unbound, T’lan Imass by Karsa. But, are they still affiliated with the main T’lan Imass? Were they part of the ritual? The Thelomen/Teblor descended from the T’lan Imass - is this what Karsa means? – Update: The Teblor Gods do in fact seem to serve the Crippled God.

Chapter 15:

(4): Why did Gesler and company become ascendants? Was it simply because they traveled through the broken warren? Who decides who becomes an ascendant? Is it by doing great deeds that one ascends? Somehow Gesler and co. did it by traveling through a warren but certainly not everyone that enters a warrant ascends..

(5): Why does Fiddler need to complete the Spiritwalker song ritual for the Bridgeburners to ascend? (This is mentioned somewhere.) Why can’t Kalam (also a Bridgeburner) complete the ritual instead? Must it be Fiddler?

Chapter 16:

(6): Why is Shadowthrone seemingly acting against the Whirlwind rebellion, by asking Kalam to infiltrate it? Is Shadowthrone acting against Laseen and the Malazan Empire – you would think he’d want revenge. Or, is Cotillion ordering Kalam to do this with Shadowthrone’s knowledge approval? What exactly are Shadowthrone’s motivations? Shadowthrone’s motivations have never been clear.

(7): Why are Shadowthrone and the Tiste Andii seemingly trying to prevent the Tiste Edur from reclaiming the Shadow warren? As I understood (I could be wrong here), Shadowthrone lives in the Meanas Warren while the Tiste Edur are trying to return to Kurald Emurhlan – so its not a question of invading Shadowthrone’s warren.

(8): Why does Cotillon seemingly want to eliminate the Talon? He finds a body of the dead Talon woman with the burnt face on the moving isle, and then sends Cutter/Crokus to take position to help assist eliminating the Talon master – why? Isn’t Cotillon the one who formed the Talon? Why were these Talon/Malazan? Agents on the moving isle in the first place?

(9): Why does Cotillion say “Look at the Two of Us” and “I have a suspicion about all of this” – before Crokus protests “its not the same – we’re not” – Is Cotillon suggesting that there is a similarity between them – and Crokus does not want to acknowledge this?

(10): What is the Talon up to and who is behind it all? Why does Shadowthrone and The Rope want to stop them? Update: Later we find Korbolo Dom commanding these supposed Talon. Are these actual Talon or just people calling themselves Talon?

(11): Has Onrack committed crimes against his clan? Does it have something to do with the solitude he sought in pursuing his cave paintings? Was this frowned upon because solitude was a quality of the Jaghut – their mortal enemies? Onrack seemingly painted a living T’lan Imass – Tool’s sister – and this was forbidden – and this was breaking a law.

(12): What is the difference between a Jaghut and a Jaghut tyrant? (This question has been nagging me for a long time.)

(13): Is there something unique or special about the basic world that the humans and Malazans reside in? Or – it is just another warren? It seems that its different in kind since the people in the regular world need to open warrens to draw magic and all the Gods/Ascendants (some residing in the other warrens) seem to pay special attention to the regular (non-warren) world.

(14): Did Onrack’s crime occur before or after the ritual of Telann? I’m guessing it took place before since Onrack was able to make love to KIlava (after the ritual they’d be too decrepit for sex)– but if not – was painting a picture of a moral I’mass a crime because of the ritual? Or was it simply a crime to depict an I’mass even before the ritual? – Update: It is now revealed that Kilava could not take part in the ritual because Onrack had already immortalized her in painting – but why did she kill her entire clan afterwards? This must be why Tool was clanless.

(15): Who are the renegades? Why are Onrack and Trull tracking them down? Is Trull also an outcast from the Edur – is that why he was chained on the beach? What link do the renegades have to betraying Trull’s people? Are the renegades the Gods of the Teblor that Karsa keeps referring too as T’lann Imass? Update: Yes, the renegades do seem to be the Teblor Gods.

(16): Are the Tiste Lisosan in the Tellann warren? What is their deal? Are they in the regular world because they are looking for Icarium? Who do they refer to as the trespassers they must hunt down? Update: It is revealed that these trespassers were Gesler and company. But I thought Kurald Emurhlan was the warren they were stuck in – not the Tiste Liosan warren?

Chapter 17:

(17): Why do the Jaghut seemingly live forever? The longevity of the T’lan Imass and the Tiste Anddi are explained in other books but I don’t remember them ever mentioning the longevity of the Jaghut,

(18): What are the two Jaghut talking about after Karsa departs when one offers the other the deer meat? They are shaking their heads at someone driving a spear into the ground, and then seem to be discussing Icarium and Mappo’s trip to the Deadhouse referring to Mappo as the Toblakai. Did the Trell descend from the Toblakai as well? Was the Deadhouse shattered and did this have an effect on Kurald Emurhlan – they seem to be suggesting that there is a connection here between this Azath House and the shattered warren…..

(19): What is the spear the two Jaghut are talking about? Did I miss something here?

Chapter 18

(20): Who is the Goddess of Sha’ik’s Apocalypse? (This may have been mentioned before and it slipped my mind). Update: This is revealed at the end of the book.

(21): What exactly is the distinction between Cold Iron and Hot Iron? Is it the difference between one’s emotional detachment and another’s lack thereof?

(23): How much overlap is there between the memories of Sha’ik and the older Felisin? Do they share memories but differ in personality? For example, Felisin the older cares to know what happened to Felisin the younger but Sha’ik does not.

(24): What is the nature of the jade statue giant that Heboric touched back in Deadhouse Gates? How is this related to Fener’s fall and Heboric’s Ghost Hands?

(25): Who are the Army of Shadows that Bidithal is speaking to? What does he mean when he asks them if they remember the dark? Update: Later it is suggested that they are some kind of spirits from the Kurald Emurlan warren.

(26): Who is the camp follower who poisons Korbolo Dom working for? Update: Bidithal it appears.

(27): Why does Leoman decide to strike early with the advance party? This seems like a less than wise move with his inferior numbers – also he is defying the command of Sha’ik.

Chapter 20:

(28): Why do Cutter and Apsalar believe they have entered Kurald Emurhlan? Last we knew, they were on the Drift Avali Island – and I don’t remember them entering a portal…..However – the gate to Kurald Emurhlan was supposedly here on the island being guarded….

(29): What does Apsalar mean that Shadowthrone sat on the first throne, making him lord of the T’lan Imass? Does this have to do with when he was Emperor Kellanvaned and commanded the T’lan Imass? (could be way off here)

(30): What is the ultimate plan of Shadowthrone and Cotillion? Where were they during the missing 2 years in Apsalar’s memory? Are they seeking to become a benign force of neutralizing power like the House of Azath? Is their cause a noble one – or a power hungry one?

(31): So, the Tiste Edur were indeed the original rulers of the Shadow Realm – this much was to be expected – however…..what was it that cast them out? Was it the same thing that shattered the realm?

(32): Onrack and Trull are still on the trail of the six renegade T’lan Imass – the gods of the Teblor – however why are these T’lan Imass renegades? Why does Onrack have an interest in tracking them? Is he not also an outcast himself?

(33): Ah – so Kellanved did sit upon the throne to command the T’lan Imass – and the Nameless ones are related to the Houses of the Azath – interesting.

(34): So – the renegade, T’lan Imass, the six, the faces in the rock – they are headed south to presumably find this First Throne – The Crippled God must be behind this hmmm.

(35): According to Onrack – the renegades serve the same master as Trull’s kin….so the Tiste Edur serve the Crippled God?? Update: Yes, this is confirmed later on.

(36): Is the new Bonecaster they (Onrack and Trull) are speaking of Silverfox? Is she the mortal who must sit atop the the First Throne? Tool is now mortal again as well, why not him?

(37): So….Onrack is suggesting that the renegade T’lan Imass were failures against the Forkrul Assail – perhaps this is why they have turned to the Crippled God – to embrace their imperfections. Just a thought.

(38): Who are the ghosts that Kalam sees? One is referred to as a Spiritwalker – speaking of a banishment by the First Emperor – Is Kalam seeing events from the past? Is he within the Whirlwind itself (presumably the Whirlwind is a shattered fragment of Kurald Emurhlan) or in a different warren? Are the hounds that appear here, the larger bearlike ones the Hounds that were released by Onrack? Are these hounds hounds of darkness?

(39): How do Crokus and Apsalar end up back in Seven Cities? They are in the middle of conversation when the sky darkens and there is a thunderous crash…Is this Shadowthrone or Cotillon’s doing?

Chapter 21:

(40): Why did the T’lan Imass need a mortal ruler to sit atop the throne of their empire? Why did the T’lan Imass return with the shattering of the warren? Is Kamist Reloe suggesting that the warren was shattered with the ritual of Soletaken and D’ivers?

(41): Ahh the Whirlwind goddess was a T’lan Imass – one of the ones destroyed by the human rebels?

(42): Apparently L’oric came to Raraku because he sensed his father’s presence. Is his father Osric? I think this was mentioned earlier……Yes it seems so. Why did the Queen of Dreams say that Osric was lost?

(43): So Kurald Thryllan is a warren that manifested itself as both Thyr and Telann…

(44): Is L’oric entering the Telann warren in order to make his way to Kurald Thryllan to find answers about his father? It seems this is what is suggested.

(45): If L’oric is the child of an ascendant (like Lady Endy) it seems – does that make the child mortal or automatically an ascendant?

(46): What are the connections between the Elder Warrens to the more human warrens? Do they descend from one another? Do the warrens overlap? Meaning in certain places are two warrens the same warren? Or… is it simply easy to find portals from one warren to another if they are more closely related?

(47): Where has L’oric entered when he believes he entering Tellann? (It is suggested it is related to Raraku) He says it is a place of beginnings….How can L’oric enter the wrong warren? Did he make a mistake – or is it not under his control? Is the opening of a portal to a certain warren a choice a mage makes or is the specific warren determined by where they open the portal?

(48) Is L’oric looking into the past of Raraku? Is he in the same place where Kalam was, since he is seeing the Hounds of Darkness? Are the K’Chain Che’Malle he sees living rather then the undead ones we say in MoI?

(49): So, Moon’s Spawn is a former city of the K’Chain Che’Malle. Where are the K’Chain living now? In this mysterious place where Osric and L’oric are? Update: Not a warren but a memory.

(50): Who are the Nameless Ones? How do they fit into the overall picture?

(51): Why do the Seven Hounds of Darkness give their names to the Seven cities?

(52)_ L’oric thinks about Anomander Rake losing his temper with his father, Osric. Did these two have a falling out? (I think Lady Envy might mention something about this in MoI– not sure) How are Osric and Rake related? L’orc refers to them as kin..

(53): Who was the protecter of Kurald Thryllan? Why did the T’lan Imass slay him/her? Was this protector appointed by Osric?

(54): Is Greyfog one of the demons released from Kalam’s diamonds?

(55): Sha’ik thinks to herself that the Whirlwind Goddess draws power from an elder warren. Is this the shattered Kurald Emurhlan warren that the Whirlwind is supposedly a fragment of?

(56): How are First Heroes related to the First Empire? Are they affiliated with the First Empire? Bidithal suggests something of this sort…

(57): Has Heboric grown back hands and regained his eyesight? It refers to him having “taloned” hands but are they still ghost hands or now corporeal?

(58): Why did Karsa attack ‘Siballe the Unfound and not the others? Why is he carrying her remains?

Chapter 22:

(59): Why does Strings tell Bottle to channel Cotillon in the divination ritual? Who does Bottle see in the ritual? Is it Crokus (because of the knives)? Why does he refer to him as being better than Cotillon?

(60): Who is Grub? I remember Duiker picking up a random child and giving him to Keneb – but does the child have any other significance? - Why will the child not speak to Keneb?

(61): Why is Onrack noticing scars of Omtose Phellack within the Tellan warren? What happened between these two warrens?

(62): Aha..so the Tiste Edur do serve the The Crippled God ….

(63): Why is Lostara Yil serving in Cotillon’s plans? What mission is she on for him? How was Pearl interfering and why did she have to knock him out? I understand the mission they are on for Tavore – but what exactly was Cotillon’s plan for her?

Chapter 23:

(64): What task is Apsalar going to perform for Cotillon? Is she volunteering herself so that Cutter doesn’t have to?

(65): What happens to hot otataral when you throw magic at it? Kalam considers this but never divulges an answer.

(66): Are Trull, Onrack and the other Imass still in the Telann warren? They are in a jungle area, populated with beasts. Trull asks if the Imass are native to this area – and this is when Onrack brings up the Eres. Update: It suggests they are in fact in Tellann.

(67): Who do the renegade Imass intend to sit atop the First Throne if it must be a mortal who sits atop it?

(68): What happens when everything goes dark and Eres woman suddenly takes Trull’s virginity? What is the purpose of this? Are the Eres extinct or still living in Tellann? The Imass were talking about them as if they were a long dead race.

(69): Who is the inner warden of the First Throne who commands Panek? I thought Panek and the Aptorian worked for Shadowthrone?

Chapter 24:

(70): Who is the viper in Sha’ik’s midst that Tavore is referring to? It seems that there were many traitors in the Apocalypse – is this traitor they were speaking of working for the Malazans? They mention Kamist Reloe – could they be referring to him and Korbolo?

(71): What does the Eres have to do with Kimloc, and the Bridgeburner’s song? Is this the same Eres that came after Trull?

(72): Why does Heboric wish to lead Scillara to Felisin the younger?

(73): Who are the chained souls that rise up with the Malazans, much to the shock of Sha’ik? Update: It must be the chained souls that Karsa brings, that they are referring to or…. Are these the spirits of Raraku?

(74): Who comes to Heboric’s aid after he is ambushed by assassins? Update: Scillara refers to them as ghosts to Felisin the younger.

(75): Why does the Whirlwind Goddess seek to unleash chaos and destruction on Raraku? If the Goddess was indeed a former T’lan Imass, could it be a past vendetta? Update: Yes, this is revealed later.

Chapter 25:

(76): Is Kalam killing the Talons in the camp under orders from Cotillon/Shadowthrone?

(77): So Bidithal is with the House of Chains…..

(78): Why does Korbolo Dom call himself master of the Talon? Does he truly rule the Talon or are they imposters?

(79): What exactly are the wraiths that follow Bidithal and attack Kalam? They are described as lost spirits of Kurald Emurhlan…

(80): Why is Kalam going after Kamist Reloe? Is this under orders from Shadowthrone? Aren’t Korbolo Dom and Kamist Reloe working for the Malazans? Aren’t Shadowthrone and Kalam sympathetic to the Malazan cause?

(81): Did Quick Ben come out of the Acorn? This was what Lostara Yil gave to Cotillon – where this this come from?

(82): Ahh Tayschrenn sent Quick Ben – to assassinate Korbolo Dom and Kamist Reloe?

(83): Why does it say that Gamet is blind, but then he mounts his horse and sees the Warlock children in the distance. Did it merely mean blind in a figurative sense? Update: Probably something to do with finding out that he is a ghost.

(84): Who sent the Hounds of Darkness into the Whirlwind? Why did they go there? Were they trying to stop Karsa?

(85): What is the constant need to protect Felisin the younger? Is it just out of the goodness of L’oric and Heboric’s heart? Or does she have some greater significance? Is it because she is Sha’ik’s successor?

(86): Is that Kalam that smacked Pearl in the head at the end of the chapter? Evidence suggests it as – since payback for Malaz City is mentioned as well as the fact that the mysterious stranger is walking with a mage – but who is this Henaras they mention?

Chapter 26 –

(87): Ahhh – is the Whirlwind Goddess the cuckolded wife/woman that Onrack was unfaithful to?

(88): Who is the Whirlwind Goddess referring to as the children? Does she mean the humans? Was the woman who Onrack depicted in art form (Kilava?) the common ancestor to all humans? It seems the Goddess is referring to her as something like this….

(89): How are the other T’lan Imass outcasts related to this situation? The Faces in the Rock/The Teblor Gods I mean….

(90): Why did Lostara and Pearl not tell Tavore that she was the one who had slain her sister? Was the truth too tragic and they wished to save her the grief? Or did it just not matter at that point. They are denying her the tragic recognition that makes a tragedy a tragedy!

(91): Ahh so the Tiste Liosan were attacking Gesler and company because they were tresspassers in their realm back in DG – but they decide to forfeit this cause because Gesler and co. were dragged against their will by a T’lan Imass Bonecaster. Who is this T’lan Imass Bonecaster? Were Gesler and co. who the Tiste Liosan have been chasing the whole book? Also, I thought that in DG, Gesler and co. had entered the Kurald Emurlhan warren – not the Tiste Liosan warren… hmmm…could be mistaken here.

(92): What is going on with the rising sea in the end?

(93): Why does Iskaral Pust come to meet Heboric, Felisin, Scillara and Greyfrog? Do Shadowthrone/Cotllion have plans for them? Update: Ahh they are coming to collect Cutter – for some purpose.

(94): Where did Apsalar go?

(95): Why does Teblor free the soul of ‘Siballe? To show mercy? Will Karsa continue to be a reluctant knight of the House of Chains? Is he fatalistically destined to do the Crippled God’s bidding anyways – whether he denies him or not? Why would the Crippled God desire such a petulant and stubborn subject?
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 07:50 PM

very interesting journal thing you've got here.
The answer to 4) is the following: Gesler & Co got annealed in the fires of tellann. As I understanded they "showered" with those fires, or "dipped" into them, an act that invariably introduced them to ascendancy.
The answer to 5) It may be because Fiddler is the one who's hot the "bad feelings" when something bad's about to happen. So in a sense he is closer to abnormal stuff then the rest. Kalam's a killer who kills in cold blood. Hardly someone who forces might want to use, appart from Cotillion of course.

Yes, I must flee for now, but I will return..
Btw, in no way is this thing I'm doing here should be seen as the absolute answer, rather an answer as I see it.
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 05:17 AM

actually it's so many that I doubt I will manage to ever cover them all. But outstanding patience and devotion from fast ben have to say. Kudos to that.
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Posted 18 April 2011 - 10:48 PM

The answer to (4) is Gesler, Stormy and Truth are not ascendants.... they were brought to the brink of ascendancy.

The answer to (5) can be found in Deadhouse Gates. Fiddler was touched by Kimloc.

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 10:52 PM

View PostShpetim, on 18 April 2011 - 05:17 AM, said:

actually it's so many that I doubt I will manage to ever cover them all. But outstanding patience and devotion from fast ben have to say. Kudos to that.


No worries - I just have way too much time on my hands.

I didn't expect them all answered on the board - and I know many of them are RAFO or will be clarified on a re-read, or I just need to fill in the blanks myself.

Just thought there might be some good conversation in there somewhere - or another first time reader might find it useful.

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 06:04 PM

View PostFastBen, on 16 April 2011 - 04:16 AM, said:



Chapter 26 –

(88): Who is the Whirlwind Goddess referring to as the children? Does she mean the humans? Was the woman who Onrack depicted in art form (Kilava?) the common ancestor to all humans? It seems the Goddess is referring to her as something like this….

(92): What is going on with the rising sea in the end?




88 - That's how I took it. I couldn't say as to how literal that might be, but perhaps she believed it to be true.

92 - That one has had me scratching my head, too. A big deal was made about the Nascent being flooded and of the holy desert having been a sea. Then there was the fragment of a certain Warren being with the desert. I couldn't help but wonder if the sea drained into the Warren tens of thousands of years prior, and then came flooding back via the warren. Just conjecture on my part.
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Posted 20 April 2011 - 07:49 AM

View PostGeneral Pattonhammer, on 18 April 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

The answer to (4) is Gesler, Stormy and Truth are not ascendants.... they were brought to the brink of ascendancy.

The answer to (5) can be found in Deadhouse Gates. Fiddler was touched by Kimloc.



Yes to both, with the possible exception of nr4. I know they were not fully ascendants to begin with, as nil (or was it nether) says after Ges gets punched in the face by Coltaine: "That man is almost ascendant!", which most likely means that the process was well under way by that point.
Well spotted the part with Kimloc. Impressive.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 08:21 AM

The answer to nr 6) I must say must be that Shadowthrone possibly was not involved in the events that were occuring in Raraku at all. That is my perception anyway, Shadowthrone is one crazed god whose motives are hidden even from his own partner Cotillion. You're right, Shadowthrone's motivations were and remain hidden. Manic, but powerful, the worst combo there is. Indeed I'm pretty convinced that Cotillion took the initiative himself seeing as he created the talon first hand, and perhaps he wanted to have his own hand at their undoing. If one looks closely at the conversations between Lostara Yil and the patron god of assasins, one would quickly reach the conclution that although Cotillion and Shadowthrone are partners, they both have their independent games going on. And this particular intervention in Raraku was Cotillion's, not Shadowthrone's, although he might've been aware of it.
The answer to nr 7), I do not dare utter, as it would be too big a spoiler. But I can tell you so much though, Tiste Edur at this point are very expantionistic and ambitious, as opposed to Tiste Andii who only seem to interveene to balance things out, like making deals with the Crimson Guard and the city states of northern Genabackis in order of opposing Malazan hegemony. That being said, one must be aware of the fact that the Warren of Shadow is shattered, in pieces. The question should be which piece of the Shadow Warren are the Edur after? Certainly one that would give them a great advantage against their enemies. Hopefuly this is not spoiling too much.
~~\\~~\\~~ nr 8), much of the answer is the same as the answer to nr 6). Also one must include that the Claw are the existing secret police kind of organisation of the Empire. Which makes the Talon their rivals. The Talon were indeed what the Claw now are, during the days of the emperor Kellanved and Dancer, but as the Talon were the creation of Cotillion, they represented their regime. Their very presence posed a threat to the usurper, so naturaly she had them eradicated. As for the Talon in Raraku, they have nothing in common with Cotillion's Talon. Serving the Apocalypse, they seem to originate locally, from Seven Cities. This factor fits with Cotillions own words to Lostara Yil, when confronted with a question of her's concerning the Talon: "But my dear, the Talon no longer exists". It's also after this event that Cotillion becomes more actively incolved with the events in Raraku, and I believe that his stumbling upon information that another assasin organisation with the name of Talon strognly influenced this decition.
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Posted 23 April 2011 - 02:09 PM

A few answers, any ModGods think anything is out of place please feel free to edit. There's a lot of RAFOs I'm missing out and some "I can't remembers"

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(1): The Jhag Odhan: Was this area created through Omtose Phellack bleeding in? Is this why the Jaghut woman Arumal says that the land is dying – somehow a ritual of Telann had counteracted against whatever Omtose Phellack magic was present?
(2): How exactly is Karsa dragging along the victims of his murders with him? Is this because he carries their trophies – is this why they are not freed? Or is this the result of some sort of curse? –Update: Yes this seems to be a curse. The Crippled God’s curse? Or those of the renegade T’lan Imass?
(5): Why does Fiddler need to complete the Spiritwalker song ritual for the Bridgeburners to ascend? (This is mentioned somewhere.) Why can’t Kalam (also a Bridgeburner) complete the ritual instead? Must it be Fiddler?
(11): Has Onrack committed crimes against his clan? Does it have something to do with the solitude he sought in pursuing his cave paintings? Was this frowned upon because solitude was a quality of the Jaghut – their mortal enemies? Onrack seemingly painted a living T’lan Imass – Tool’s sister – and this was forbidden – and this was breaking a law.

1) I don't think this is ever actually explained? I took it to mean the Jhagut had formed the previous state of the land to whatever they wanted it to be and the T'lan introduction of Tellan had influenced it another way. Dying strictly in the Jhagut view of what they wanted to be there no longer being there.
2) I had assumed his demand to "witness" somehow contributed to binding the souls of the slain to him? He doesn't take many trophies.
5) Didn't it say the songs are circular in nature? Someone from the Bridgeburners needed to return to Raraku - Fiddler may have been simply the first to get there.
11) The painting was the crime, the trapping of a spirit of a person in art.

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(12): What is the difference between a Jaghut and a Jaghut tyrant? (This question has been nagging me for a long time.)
(16): Are the Tiste Lisosan in the Tellann warren? What is their deal? Are they in the regular world because they are looking for Icarium? Who do they refer to as the trespassers they must hunt down? Update: It is revealed that these trespassers were Gesler and company. But I thought Kurald Emurhlan was the warren they were stuck in – not the Tiste Liosan warren?
(19): What is the spear the two Jaghut are talking about? Did I miss something here?
(21): What exactly is the distinction between Cold Iron and Hot Iron? Is it the difference between one’s emotional detachment and another’s lack thereof?

12) What is the difference between a human and a human tyrant? Physically, none. One just happens to be a tyrannical ruler. Species is irrelevant.
16) They pass through another warren too, one of fire, when the undead dragon travels through it.
19) The T'lan Imass who killed the Jhagut in the tree did so by driving the spear through her and into the ground. The ground here being the site of an Azath.
21) I took hot iron to be the heat of anger, passion that drives them on through anything. Cold iron to be the cool logic that finds the way they will tear down the enemy.

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(27): Why does Leoman decide to strike early with the advance party? This seems like a less than wise move with his inferior numbers – also he is defying the command of Sha’ik.
(29): What does Apsalar mean that Shadowthrone sat on the first throne, making him lord of the T’lan Imass? Does this have to do with when he was Emperor Kellanvaned and commanded the T’lan Imass? (could be way off here)
(30): What is the ultimate plan of Shadowthrone and Cotillion? Where were they during the missing 2 years in Apsalar’s memory? Are they seeking to become a benign force of neutralizing power like the House of Azath? Is their cause a noble one – or a power hungry one?
(36): Is the new Bonecaster they (Onrack and Trull) are speaking of Silverfox? Is she the mortal who must sit atop the the First Throne? Tool is now mortal again as well, why not him?

27) Leoman doesn't share Sha'iks fear of her sister. He is seeing simply that it is better tactics to have a enemy that may have been hardened by fighting but that is also carrying a number of wounded, that is short of supplies, that is worn out and worn down.
29) Kellanved sat on the First Throne of the T'lan Imass, that the Logros T'lan Imass were set to guard, as a mortal human. Wether that still makes him Lord High T'lan is another matter.
30) Do you really want an answer to this?
36) Any other new bonecasters spring to mind? Nope, thought not. So yes she is. As to sitting on the throne though, why would she need to?

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(45): If L’oric is the child of an ascendant (like Lady Endy) it seems – does that make the child mortal or automatically an ascendant?
(51): Why do the Seven Hounds of Darkness give their names to the Seven cities?
(52)_ L’oric thinks about Anomander Rake losing his temper with his father, Osric. Did these two have a falling out? (I think Lady Envy might mention something about this in MoI– not sure) How are Osric and Rake related? L’orc refers to them as kin..
(53): Who was the protecter of Kurald Thryllan? Why did the T’lan Imass slay him/her? Was this protector appointed by Osric?

45) If your father was a French general does that make you a French general too when you grow up?
51) They don't give their names, they give the name to Seven Cities. Seven hounds, seven cities. Not like you're calling a city Wuffles or Spot is it?
52) When you've both been around for that long, you've had many fallings out. And forgotten about many more.
53) The protector was Lorics previous familiar. Killed because it was pretending to be a god, which the T'lan really have a big thing about.

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(54): Is Greyfog one of the demons released from Kalam’s diamonds?
(55): Sha’ik thinks to herself that the Whirlwind Goddess draws power from an elder warren. Is this the shattered Kurald Emurhlan warren that the Whirlwind is supposedly a fragment of?
(58): Why did Karsa attack ‘Siballe the Unfound and not the others? Why is he carrying her remains?
(60): Who is Grub? I remember Duiker picking up a random child and giving him to Keneb – but does the child have any other significance? - Why will the child not speak to Keneb?

54) Greyfrog is found in the borders of a memory. It could be anything, from anywhere/anywhen.
55) The part of it rooted there, yes.
58) She was closest? Maybe he or one of his companions picked up on some of the things she was up to back home? Perhaps he thinks he can make her into a self-turning spit for cooking?
60) Read one of the fragments/poems in one of the books. Can't recall which alas. It's probably DhG or maybe TBH.

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(63): Why is Lostara Yil serving in Cotillon’s plans? What mission is she on for him? How was Pearl interfering and why did she have to knock him out? I understand the mission they are on for Tavore – but what exactly was Cotillon’s plan for her?
(65): What happens to hot otataral when you throw magic at it? Kalam considers this but never divulges an answer.
(69): Who is the inner warden of the First Throne who commands Panek? I thought Panek and the Aptorian worked for Shadowthrone?

(70): Who is the viper in Sha’ik’s midst that Tavore is referring to? It seems that there were many traitors in the Apocalypse – is this traitor they were speaking of working for the Malazans? They mention Kamist Reloe – could they be referring to him and Korbolo?
63) Lostara used to be a Shadow Dancer in a Shadow temple that had a visit from some strangers, she has ties to Shadow.
65) I imagine a big bang. Or the mage is ripped apart. Probably including a big slice of the surrounding country too.
69) Mummy?
70) took it to be Reloe but there re quite a few possible targets.

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(72): Why does Heboric wish to lead Scillara to Felisin the younger?
(73): Who are the chained souls that rise up with the Malazans, much to the shock of Sha’ik? Update: It must be the chained souls that Karsa brings, that they are referring to or…. Are these the spirits of Raraku?
(81): Did Quick Ben come out of the Acorn? This was what Lostara Yil gave to Cotillon – where this this come from?
(83): Why does it say that Gamet is blind, but then he mounts his horse and sees the Warlock children in the distance. Did it merely mean blind in a figurative sense? Update: Probably something to do with finding out that he is a ghost.

72) To escape. To get out of there and to heal.
73) Given there are dead Bridgeburners amongst them, past armies etc this is the result of Kimloks song and Raraku.
81) Re-read and track the acorn down :-p
83) Blind whilst alive. Stuck in bed too. As a ghost he's wandering around like normal.

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(86): Is that Kalam that smacked Pearl in the head at the end of the chapter? Evidence suggests it as – since payback for Malaz City is mentioned as well as the fact that the mysterious stranger is walking with a mage – but who is this Henaras they mention?
(88): Who is the Whirlwind Goddess referring to as the children? Does she mean the humans? Was the woman who Onrack depicted in art form (Kilava?) the common ancestor to all humans? It seems the Goddess is referring to her as something like this….
(89): How are the other T’lan Imass outcasts related to this situation? The Faces in the Rock/The Teblor Gods I mean….
(90): Why did Lostara and Pearl not tell Tavore that she was the one who had slain her sister? Was the truth too tragic and they wished to save her the grief? Or did it just not matter at that point. They are denying her the tragic recognition that makes a tragedy a tragedy!

86) I thought it Lostara but could be thinking of the wrong time he gets taken out. Henaras: Reread the mages in the Whirlwind.
88) Yes, apparently all modern humans are descended from Onrack/Kilava - must have been some pretty fierce inbreeding going on. Regardless, she doesn't like them and any modern humans are children.
89) Are they related at all?
90) Would you want to tell her that? What would it do to her? To her standing in the Empire? Her sister was after all leading the Whirlwind.

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(91): Ahh so the Tiste Liosan were attacking Gesler and company because they were tresspassers in their realm back in DG – but they decide to forfeit this cause because Gesler and co. were dragged against their will by a T’lan Imass Bonecaster. Who is this T’lan Imass Bonecaster? Were Gesler and co. who the Tiste Liosan have been chasing the whole book? Also, I thought that in DG, Gesler and co. had entered the Kurald Emurlhan warren – not the Tiste Liosan warren… hmmm…could be mistaken here.
(92): What is going on with the rising sea in the end?
(95): Why does Teblor free the soul of ‘Siballe? To show mercy? Will Karsa continue to be a reluctant knight of the House of Chains? Is he fatalistically destined to do the Crippled God’s bidding anyways – whether he denies him or not? Why would the Crippled God desire such a petulant and stubborn subject?

91) You've seen her before, in DhG she makes an appearance although if she is named directly yet I can't recall. She's undead. Who else is undead? What group of people among them can take other forms? Got her yet? ;-)
92) Freed of the influence of the Goddess some normalcy is returning?
95) Maybe he just got tired of having her talking to his spare socks in his pack? Freeing her soul gets rid of her, she will not be back. Probably for the best he is thinking. For the rest, RAFO.
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View PostMessremb, on 23 April 2011 - 02:09 PM, said:

A few answers, any ModGods think anything is out of place please feel free to edit. There's a lot of RAFOs I'm missing out and some "I can't remembers"

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(1): The Jhag Odhan: Was this area created through Omtose Phellack bleeding in? Is this why the Jaghut woman Arumal says that the land is dying – somehow a ritual of Telann had counteracted against whatever Omtose Phellack magic was present?
(2): How exactly is Karsa dragging along the victims of his murders with him? Is this because he carries their trophies – is this why they are not freed? Or is this the result of some sort of curse? –Update: Yes this seems to be a curse. The Crippled God's curse? Or those of the renegade T'lan Imass?
(5): Why does Fiddler need to complete the Spiritwalker song ritual for the Bridgeburners to ascend? (This is mentioned somewhere.) Why can't Kalam (also a Bridgeburner) complete the ritual instead? Must it be Fiddler?
(11): Has Onrack committed crimes against his clan? Does it have something to do with the solitude he sought in pursuing his cave paintings? Was this frowned upon because solitude was a quality of the Jaghut – their mortal enemies? Onrack seemingly painted a living T'lan Imass – Tool's sister – and this was forbidden – and this was breaking a law.

1) I don't think this is ever actually explained? I took it to mean the Jhagut had formed the previous state of the land to whatever they wanted it to be and the T'lan introduction of Tellan had influenced it another way. Dying strictly in the Jhagut view of what they wanted to be there no longer being there.
2) I had assumed his demand to "witness" somehow contributed to binding the souls of the slain to him? He doesn't take many trophies.
5) Didn't it say the songs are circular in nature? Someone from the Bridgeburners needed to return to Raraku - Fiddler may have been simply the first to get there.
11) The painting was the crime, the trapping of a spirit of a person in art.

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(12): What is the difference between a Jaghut and a Jaghut tyrant? (This question has been nagging me for a long time.)
(16): Are the Tiste Lisosan in the Tellann warren? What is their deal? Are they in the regular world because they are looking for Icarium? Who do they refer to as the trespassers they must hunt down? Update: It is revealed that these trespassers were Gesler and company. But I thought Kurald Emurhlan was the warren they were stuck in – not the Tiste Liosan warren?
(19): What is the spear the two Jaghut are talking about? Did I miss something here?
(21): What exactly is the distinction between Cold Iron and Hot Iron? Is it the difference between one's emotional detachment and another's lack thereof?

12) What is the difference between a human and a human tyrant? Physically, none. One just happens to be a tyrannical ruler. Species is irrelevant.
16) They pass through another warren too, one of fire, when the undead dragon travels through it.
19) The T'lan Imass who killed the Jhagut in the tree did so by driving the spear through her and into the ground. The ground here being the site of an Azath.
21) I took hot iron to be the heat of anger, passion that drives them on through anything. Cold iron to be the cool logic that finds the way they will tear down the enemy.

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(27): Why does Leoman decide to strike early with the advance party? This seems like a less than wise move with his inferior numbers – also he is defying the command of Sha'ik.
(29): What does Apsalar mean that Shadowthrone sat on the first throne, making him lord of the T'lan Imass? Does this have to do with when he was Emperor Kellanvaned and commanded the T'lan Imass? (could be way off here)
(30): What is the ultimate plan of Shadowthrone and Cotillion? Where were they during the missing 2 years in Apsalar's memory? Are they seeking to become a benign force of neutralizing power like the House of Azath? Is their cause a noble one – or a power hungry one?
(36): Is the new Bonecaster they (Onrack and Trull) are speaking of Silverfox? Is she the mortal who must sit atop the the First Throne? Tool is now mortal again as well, why not him?

27) Leoman doesn't share Sha'iks fear of her sister. He is seeing simply that it is better tactics to have a enemy that may have been hardened by fighting but that is also carrying a number of wounded, that is short of supplies, that is worn out and worn down.
29) Kellanved sat on the First Throne of the T'lan Imass, that the Logros T'lan Imass were set to guard, as a mortal human. Wether that still makes him Lord High T'lan is another matter.
30) Do you really want an answer to this?
36) Any other new bonecasters spring to mind? Nope, thought not. So yes she is. As to sitting on the throne though, why would she need to?

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(45): If L'oric is the child of an ascendant (like Lady Endy) it seems – does that make the child mortal or automatically an ascendant?
(51): Why do the Seven Hounds of Darkness give their names to the Seven cities?
(52)_ L'oric thinks about Anomander Rake losing his temper with his father, Osric. Did these two have a falling out? (I think Lady Envy might mention something about this in MoI– not sure) How are Osric and Rake related? L'orc refers to them as kin..
(53): Who was the protecter of Kurald Thryllan? Why did the T'lan Imass slay him/her? Was this protector appointed by Osric?

45) If your father was a French general does that make you a French general too when you grow up?
51) They don't give their names, they give the name to Seven Cities. Seven hounds, seven cities. Not like you're calling a city Wuffles or Spot is it?
52) When you've both been around for that long, you've had many fallings out. And forgotten about many more.
53) The protector was Lorics previous familiar. Killed because it was pretending to be a god, which the T'lan really have a big thing about.

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(54): Is Greyfog one of the demons released from Kalam's diamonds?
(55): Sha'ik thinks to herself that the Whirlwind Goddess draws power from an elder warren. Is this the shattered Kurald Emurhlan warren that the Whirlwind is supposedly a fragment of?
(58): Why did Karsa attack 'Siballe the Unfound and not the others? Why is he carrying her remains?
(60): Who is Grub? I remember Duiker picking up a random child and giving him to Keneb – but does the child have any other significance? - Why will the child not speak to Keneb?

54) Greyfrog is found in the borders of a memory. It could be anything, from anywhere/anywhen.
55) The part of it rooted there, yes.
58) She was closest? Maybe he or one of his companions picked up on some of the things she was up to back home? Perhaps he thinks he can make her into a self-turning spit for cooking?
60) Read one of the fragments/poems in one of the books. Can't recall which alas. It's probably DhG or maybe TBH.

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(63): Why is Lostara Yil serving in Cotillon's plans? What mission is she on for him? How was Pearl interfering and why did she have to knock him out? I understand the mission they are on for Tavore – but what exactly was Cotillon's plan for her?
(65): What happens to hot otataral when you throw magic at it? Kalam considers this but never divulges an answer.
(69): Who is the inner warden of the First Throne who commands Panek? I thought Panek and the Aptorian worked for Shadowthrone?

(70): Who is the viper in Sha'ik's midst that Tavore is referring to? It seems that there were many traitors in the Apocalypse – is this traitor they were speaking of working for the Malazans? They mention Kamist Reloe – could they be referring to him and Korbolo?
63) Lostara used to be a Shadow Dancer in a Shadow temple that had a visit from some strangers, she has ties to Shadow.
65) I imagine a big bang. Or the mage is ripped apart. Probably including a big slice of the surrounding country too.
69) Mummy?
70) took it to be Reloe but there re quite a few possible targets.

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(72): Why does Heboric wish to lead Scillara to Felisin the younger?
(73): Who are the chained souls that rise up with the Malazans, much to the shock of Sha'ik? Update: It must be the chained souls that Karsa brings, that they are referring to or…. Are these the spirits of Raraku?
(81): Did Quick Ben come out of the Acorn? This was what Lostara Yil gave to Cotillon – where this this come from?
(83): Why does it say that Gamet is blind, but then he mounts his horse and sees the Warlock children in the distance. Did it merely mean blind in a figurative sense? Update: Probably something to do with finding out that he is a ghost.

72) To escape. To get out of there and to heal.
73) Given there are dead Bridgeburners amongst them, past armies etc this is the result of Kimloks song and Raraku.
81) Re-read and track the acorn down :-p
83) Blind whilst alive. Stuck in bed too. As a ghost he's wandering around like normal.

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(86): Is that Kalam that smacked Pearl in the head at the end of the chapter? Evidence suggests it as – since payback for Malaz City is mentioned as well as the fact that the mysterious stranger is walking with a mage – but who is this Henaras they mention?
(88): Who is the Whirlwind Goddess referring to as the children? Does she mean the humans? Was the woman who Onrack depicted in art form (Kilava?) the common ancestor to all humans? It seems the Goddess is referring to her as something like this….
(89): How are the other T'lan Imass outcasts related to this situation? The Faces in the Rock/The Teblor Gods I mean….
(90): Why did Lostara and Pearl not tell Tavore that she was the one who had slain her sister? Was the truth too tragic and they wished to save her the grief? Or did it just not matter at that point. They are denying her the tragic recognition that makes a tragedy a tragedy!

86) I thought it Lostara but could be thinking of the wrong time he gets taken out. Henaras: Reread the mages in the Whirlwind.
88) Yes, apparently all modern humans are descended from Onrack/Kilava - must have been some pretty fierce inbreeding going on. Regardless, she doesn't like them and any modern humans are children.
89) Are they related at all?
90) Would you want to tell her that? What would it do to her? To her standing in the Empire? Her sister was after all leading the Whirlwind.

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(91): Ahh so the Tiste Liosan were attacking Gesler and company because they were tresspassers in their realm back in DG – but they decide to forfeit this cause because Gesler and co. were dragged against their will by a T'lan Imass Bonecaster. Who is this T'lan Imass Bonecaster? Were Gesler and co. who the Tiste Liosan have been chasing the whole book? Also, I thought that in DG, Gesler and co. had entered the Kurald Emurlhan warren – not the Tiste Liosan warren… hmmm…could be mistaken here.
(92): What is going on with the rising sea in the end?
(95): Why does Teblor free the soul of 'Siballe? To show mercy? Will Karsa continue to be a reluctant knight of the House of Chains? Is he fatalistically destined to do the Crippled God's bidding anyways – whether he denies him or not? Why would the Crippled God desire such a petulant and stubborn subject?

91) You've seen her before, in DhG she makes an appearance although if she is named directly yet I can't recall. She's undead. Who else is undead? What group of people among them can take other forms? Got her yet? ;-)
92) Freed of the influence of the Goddess some normalcy is returning?
95) Maybe he just got tired of having her talking to his spare socks in his pack? Freeing her soul gets rid of her, she will not be back. Probably for the best he is thinking. For the rest, RAFO.


Thanks for taking the time to do that! You cleared up a lot and gave me a bit to think about.

Cheers,
FB
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