[Path-Shaper]

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 04:47 PM, said:

Oh and I'd like to search for the hidden immunity idol ASAP. I think my leadership bonus rolls from allies voting with me counts for that, right?

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2011 - 04:48 PM, said:

No it's just Challenge rolls, as the ability indicates. If you'd like to search for the idol before the first challenge, I have that currently noted.

[Path-Shaper]

ansible is not one bitter baddie.

Kalse, on 29 April 2011 - 05:02 PM, said:

Ah well, it's the first time so far that I've ever been voted out or lynched in Mafia. It was bound to happen eventually.

I really enjoyed playing; there were a few gameplay details that began to dominate the game (such as off-thread communication) that I felt worked to my disadvantage, but there's not much else I could do. I was alienated from the strong alliances from the very beginning and had to pull some stunts with Barghast just to survive the merge. When Barg took the hit from the stone draw, I knew I was probably next. If he had survived, I suspect we might have been able to stick around at least until the end, but without him I was really stranded. He was my main contact to Dureza and without that I was completely out of the loop.

Liosan obviously was playing me, and honestly I suspected that pretty strongly, but I had no other choice at that point but to trust him and hope that it saved my ass even if he was just trying to string me along. Anomander's behavior towards me was erratic all game, and almost no one I contacted through alliances said anything useful to me. It becomes pretty hard to strategize how to stay in the game when no one will talk to you. I would have tried to ally myself with Merrid, since he was close with Barghast, but I had already broken my alliance with Merrid, so only he could initiate it again, and he didn't.

Serc has been a strong player since the beginning and I wouldn't be surprised to see him win it. Pensador hasn't shown too many players like that but I can tell you I won't be voting for Liosan to win. If I had to guess I'd say maybe Eloth (who showed a little spine with that post earlier).

Anyway, great game! Thanks for everything and I'm excited to keep participating in the Jury.

Vengey goes up to Survivor 4.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 04:54 PM, said:

I would like to upgrade to survivor 4. Thanks

D'rek wants to search with her Morale... eek.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 04:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2011 - 04:48 PM, said:

No it's just Challenge rolls, as the ability indicates. If you'd like to search for the idol before the first challenge, I have that currently noted.

Oh yeah, my bad. Well I'll try anyways, have high morale so I guess I need an 8 or better... hope I'm lucky!

[Path-Shaper]

Vengey vents to Bent.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 04:58 PM, said:

Well that was irritating. I voted with Kara but then serc and the rest voted for kalse. So hopefully that will raise my trust level with kara a little bit.

D'rek tells DKT to look for the idol post-haste.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

Fuck, huh? They all voted Kalse so it was clearly a setup. Bastards. Our only hope is to do the same to them, so get searching for the idol immediately!

Venge tells Ment they got played.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

Well it looks like they played us. I told serc that the only thing we can do to try to even things up is to find the HI and use it against them. I think that they are gong to pick us off one at a time. If there is any weakness then it won't show it's self till we are gone.

D'rek and Venge talk over their options.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 04:52 PM, said:

Well I think that we got played. Looks to me like Kara and his squad had a HI and decided to test our votes. I didn't see your message till after I had already voted for kalse. Not that it would have made any difference at all. Looks to me like they know they hold the upperhand and are going to take us out one by one. All the while promising to ally. It is what I would do in that position. If there is a weak link in that alliance it probably won't show till after we are gone. Our best shot now is to try to find the hidden immunity idol. And play them the same way.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 04:57 PM, said:

Agreed, I'm searching for it ASAP.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

Tell ano and I will tell alkend.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

The fact that only 9 of the 11 votes were revealed means the last 2 were Kalse, too, so all 6 Pensadors voted for him. Our 4 were for Ruse and the one for Alkend was probably Kalse.

If we don't get the idol, I'd suggest some sort of strategy of lying to them about who we vote for so they can't do it again, but we're undermanned anyways. We'd have to wait until they all vote so any geniuses they have can't read our votes, too.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

Tell ano and I will tell alkend.

Done.

D'rek to HiddenOne. ROFL... D'rek is a fucking goldmine of amusement.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

Your minecraft fort is going to look so pretty when I'm done filling it with TNT...

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek is pleased with her alliance mastery powers.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

Now *this* I like.

I would like to create a Groupthink with myself, Merrid, Ano and Alkend, please.

I would like to make new alliances with Karatallid, Eloth and Kalse, please.

And I'll be planning to listen to all communication between Karat and Eloth, but since its retro-active I'll wait for them to confirm the alliance and all before I put that into account. I'll let you know when I'm ready for this.

Venge sums up his powers for me.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

So my endurance is 5 my strength is 1 and my intellect is 1

I can bump everyones moral up. I am immune to - food moral. And now I can create a fake HI. Oh and I can also dominate at fire starting.

Did I miss anything?

I think I will save that hidden idol trick for the end of the game if I make it that far.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 April 2011 - 05:30 PM

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D'rek is not shying away from confrontation!

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:

Karatallakaratallakaratallid. I must say I find it surprising you continue to work with these little newbies to vote off all the veteran players, which of course includes yourself. Alas, only a few of us remain... will you continue this course until you are the only grizzled salt left alive, surrounded by the new bloods? You must realize that when that day comes, you will sign off from your computer on your lonely island, bid goodnight to your sheep and go to sleep in your strange timezone only to find that the young pups have seen you to be their greatest threat and lynched you overnight...

DKT tells D'rek he knew it was coming.

Anomandaris, on 29 April 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

Yea kalse told me just before the the communications where frozen that lio was not voting for ruse so i expected it to turn out this way. Well now we know for sure there is an idol out there! We have to go look you are right!

D'rek is confrontational with HiddenOne, too. I love how she hides herself.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

Liosan, on 29 April 2011 - 05:33 PM, said:

How was I supposed to know Ruse had immunity? As far as I know he kept it a secret. My vote got wasted just like yours.
Look to your pals from Team D, I think they've made a deal with some of the guys from Team P.

And don't mess with my fort! It's all I've got left.

Uh-huh, sure, a likely story. Maybe you'd know Ruse had it because he told you in your off-thread communication. Just like Karatallid isn't your ally (or since you're clearly a huge submissive in the relationship, I guess it's more accurate to say he's your boss and you're his little Shortround who will be discarded as soon as he doesn't need you anymore).

You know, actually, there's a few minecrafters on here... maybe I should invite Tapper and D'rek to come join in the fun, too...

Liosan, on 29 April 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

No, I didn't know about Ruse - If I had, I wouldn't have wasted time trying to vote him, or talk to you about him, and it would reduce my credibility beacuse it is a huge coincidence. I don't like that.

Ruse doesnt talk much in team or tribe forums, I think he is the one that is totally under Karatallid's thumb. I want to win this game, and that's how I'm playing.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Your words in tribal council were very inspiring, glad to see someone in this tribe is capable of reasonable thought and expression. Not that your avatars aren't deliciously attractive, too!

So I'm curious, what exactly is your game plan here? Are you and Silencer going to keep shepherding your four little minions until the Durezas are all dead? How exactly do you plan on living once the four newer folk realize that you two, as veteran players, are the biggest threat to them and immediately pounce on you?

D'rek and Tapper strike up a convo.

Eloth, on 29 April 2011 - 06:34 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Your words in tribal council were very inspiring, glad to see someone in this tribe is capable of reasonable thought and expression. Not that your avatars aren't deliciously attractive, too!

So I'm curious, what exactly is your game plan here? Are you and Silencer going to keep shepherding your four little minions until the Durezas are all dead? How exactly do you plan on living once the four newer folk realize that you two, as veteran players, are the biggest threat to them and immediately pounce on you?

Heh. I have no clue. This was about the only time I spoke out - I've been really busy with work and life, barely getting in the required minimum of posts per day and most of those were 'shit, no-one's around' (especially after we kicked dibs out) or in PMs to say there was little to discuss. I haven't even alted anyone in my camp (altho I think Venge is Merrid), also because Loki and Shin were also around and on my tribe, the post times weren't a give away - so thanks for telling me Silencer's one of the other Penderosa's

As for the voting, I have no clue. It seems inevitable there will be backstabbing at some point amongst the Penderosa's. The main issue is this: most of us are connected to two other Penderosa's. So, we're doing a really nervous jig of trying to find out who will backstab who and get on board if there seems a chance for success, and do it faster than the others. if the initiative were to come from someone from Dureza, that would perhaps be more acceptable but we are also weary of getting you behind us as a solid block, shattering our majority and then being voted off one by one. But, to break an internal stalemate, we need either 4 Penderosa's, or 3 and help from Dureza to break the stalemate. On the other hand, we do have a position of strength at the moment with our former tribe, why give that away?

What I think is happening right now, is people jockeying for position behind the scenes - and in all cases of internal betrayal, we need you but we don't want to do it too fast but not too slow and be stabbed first. For now, this is all I'm willing to reveal. If we can swap bodily fluids information on what happened in Penderosa and who allied with whom for what happened in Dureza and how you guys ended up here, I'm willing to do that and see if we can work from there. I for one have been somewhat bored by the near inevitability of how things went in our tribe. Shaking that up with some good old weird maneuvering would be worth risking victory for - or at the least, almost worth it

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:

Well you're either pretending ignorance or you're a step behind a lot of your tribe

I was trying to setup an internal schism in Pensador with Liosan, Karat and Ruse, but it didn't pan out and Karat used it to try and double-cross us. Basically Liosan and karat disavowed any connection to Ruse and said they'd vote Ruse out, and word was sent around Dureza like a big game of telephone to vote Ruse. Karat informed Ruse of it, who used his immunity idol to absorb all our votes and they all voted Kalse with the rest of you guys.

Of course, we Durezas were well aware of that exact scenario occurring - it already happened with us before the merge where Kalse used his abilities to find out who we were voting for (D'riss), told D'riss and he used the idol, making 5 or 6 of our votes on him not count and only the 2 that he and Kalse put on HP counted. So we knew it could happen again and were ready for it. Thing is, it was actually a huge waste because Dureza never had the votes to get rid of Ruse anyways, so he pretty much wasted the idol. The fact that Ruse did use the idol actually makes Pensador look potentially fragmented as it shows Ruse and/or Karat weren't certain all the Pensadors would vote as one...

On the Dureza side, we were pretty much a half-and-half split the whole game up to the merge. My side was the slightly bigger side so we kept voting people out, but D'riss and Kalse's switcharoo described above killed HP and that damn black stone killed Barghast, so now Dureza is pretty much just an amorphous blob of random communication and pseudo-allegiance. We've broken a lot of our former chat connections to try and talk to Pensadors as its our only hope of survival, now, so our inter-Dureza communication and unity is pretty shot to hell, now.

At this point, I still want to try and make it as far as I can, but more importantly I want to actually have a game to play! The weather here has just turned beautiful and if I'm going to be inside because of mafia I want it to at least be engaging!

And yeah, Vengy is Merrid. I have everyone alted, though I'm not 100% sure of Ruse=Lizra and Tulas=snake, they might be the other way around. If they actually ever posted at all I'd have a better idea!

D'rek tells me she wants to go ahead and search anyway.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

It sure is. But until he confirms, I won't add him to Groupthink.

Also, did you mean someone other than Kalse?

No, I meant Alkend, and then realized that I needed to make a channel with him, so wrote the next line but forgot half-way through what I was saying and forgot completely to go back and change the 2nd line... and stuff...

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 06:59 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

Morale only affects Challenge rolls, too, FYI, that's in the rules, if you want to change your mind.

Oh and the answer to this was "Duh!' "D'oh!" and "Yeah let's do it anyways!"

[Path-Shaper]

Serc's Groupthink is online.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 07:00 PM, said:

What's up Gentlemen Bastards?

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

So is this leadership.. Very nice. Like I told you I think we are toast unless we can get somekind of trick done, bad the only on that I can think of is using the HI. Also why isnt alkend in this group thang...

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 07:20 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

Also why isnt alkend in this group thang...

I'm working on that, he needs to sign on and re-ally with me before he can get in here, though.

As long as you keep a connection with me you can stay in this groupthink, so this {a} makes our communication easier, and {b} frees up our 2 regular alliance slots for connecting to new people if needed.

As far as survival goes, getting the idol would certainly be really good right now, but even if we have it we won't necessarily know they're voting out so we know who to use it on. And it's neither a sure thing nor an easily repeated-thing. Long-term, I think we really need to do everything we can to sow the seeds of suspicion and betrayal in the Pensadors. I'm going to make a big kerfuffle on thread (already started) yelling and calling out the lurkers in the tribe, hoping their continued low-posting or poor answers will annoy the other Pensadors. Beyond that I think we just need to poke holes in as many places as possible. Talk to the newer players as if you're one too about how the veterans are running the show and it'd be better to take them out now, etc.

Anomandaris, on 29 April 2011 - 08:22 PM, said:

Wow this is cool. our situation is not cool however. Ok... So the idol is needed. I win this immunity challenge there is a decent chance i can find it. Problem is we need a level 2 genius! We can't be effective with the idol without knowing who the vote is going to. Any ideas? Can anyone get level 2 genius now?

Ruse isn't sure about the way the votes fell...

Ruse, on 29 April 2011 - 07:41 PM, said:

That was way to close for my liking. Right now really want to know for whom those last two votes were.

Bent tells Vengey about a plan to get to the final 4. Venge is trying to figure out what he wants to do.

Tulas Shorn, on 29 April 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

I have been thinking.

If Serc wants in on our deal, invite him in. IF YOU TRUST HIM. I am not connected with Okaros, so I have no idea how he would vote, going against Kara.

I have the beginnings of a plan that will get both you and he, and Eloth and I to the final 4.

But you would need to trust me.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 08:11 PM, said:

As far as I know serc is still trying to figure out how to get the remaining duzas out if the fire.

I will have to think about how to approach it. If I decide to I will let you know.

Tulas Shorn, on 29 April 2011 - 08:18 PM, said:

Fine - I'll lay out the plan - you get Serc to join - you,me,Eloth and Okaros.

we keep the plan in place, except, when the time comes, to vote out the last 2 of you, we switch tactics to vote out Kara, Liosan and Ruse. Then vote out Okaros. then its 2 v 2.

Not quite the 3 v3 you had planned, but I am not sure Eloth would go along with keeping more than you and Serc around.

We dont even have to approach him, but I am sympathetic to his frustration, and to be honest, I understand.

But then again, I am playing to win the game. So I have to keep that in front of me.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 April 2011 - 08:33 PM

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Bent asks Lizra why he pushed the panic button.

Tulas Shorn, on 29 April 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:

Why did you use the idol? Serc is an idiot, but he raised a good point. We are still in this together right? Curious.

[Path-Shaper]

This won't make any sense.

Liosan, on 29 April 2011 - 09:16 PM, said:

This is why I'm an idiot, we got rid of the Genius on our team. Wish Karatallid had caught that.

Use Roar on Tulas Shorn

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2011 - 09:51 PM, said:

If Tulas Shorn is not participating in the strength portions, this roar will have no effect, FYI.

Vengey is trying to figure out how to approach D'rek.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 09:38 PM, said:

The problem is that I am not sure how serc will react. I need to figure out how to approach him. I haven't told him that I am in contact with you.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 09:58 PM, said:

You know the hostility between you and serc actually will work in my favor. I know just how to approach her.

He also tells the Groupthink that he can't go Genius 2.

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 09:42 PM, said:

I can't I am to far into surviver to make the move. Serc is the only one who can that we have left.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 April 2011 - 10:08 PM

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DKT gonna Sabotage early... he wants that reward clue!

Anomandaris, on 29 April 2011 - 10:31 PM, said:

It kinda works out regardless. So lets do that sabotage thing before the reward challenge again thanks!

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek is hilarious that she lies over very tiny details and then continues to hold up the lie for such a long time. I give props to her for having a consistent game. She's got her facts and lies well defined. Luckily for her group, Alkend can spend his last 2 EXP for Genius 2.

Serc, on 29 April 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 April 2011 - 09:42 PM, said:

I can't I am to far into surviver to make the move. Serc is the only one who can that we have left.

Nope, I put all my leftovers into leader. I had been debating using the last 4 xp to do level 2 genius and another level 1 but I figured level 3 leader would be more useful. And here we are.

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Ruse tells Bent why he pulled the trigger with the idol.

Ruse, on 30 April 2011 - 12:31 AM, said:

When I last leveled up I got an ability that tells me when people are considering me for their next vote. Last TC 6 people were doing just that: Merrid, Serc, Anomandaris, Kalse, Alkend and Liosan.
Together they would have been enough to vote me out, so I decided better safe than sorry.

He talks to Karatallid about it, too.

Ruse, on 30 April 2011 - 12:34 AM, said:

Since the question has already been asked on thread.
When I last leveled up I got an ability that tells me when people are considering me for their next vote. Last TC 6 people were doing just that: Merrid, Serc, Anomandaris, Kalse, Alkend and Liosan.
I decided to use the HI I had found just before that TC.
Better safe than sorry.

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 01:07 AM, said:

It was a bloody smart idea for you To use it.

Are we being played for fools? Does that just tell you there thinking of voting for you? Or that they actualy are?

Kalse had an idea we would vote him it wasn't a surprise he said, the alliance with serc an merit etc is obviously false and they managed to convince lio to betray you.

Lio said he was in contact with serc, maybe it's time we removed serc, she what lio does

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 01:10 AM, said:

Did u pinch the idol from kalse

[Path-Shaper]

Ment getting to the other follower.

Alkend, on 30 April 2011 - 01:18 AM, said:

make Alliance with Ruse.

Roldom engages in cat and mouse with D'rek.

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

Ah but serc, am I not following the course you and your allies set out?

Did I not receive Confirmation from merrid that we were to form an alliance of 6, ano, lio, merrid, ruse, your esteamed self and I.

And after confering with merrid we decided as an act of good will to vote of kalse, followed by a pensador player.

Getting enough votes to remove kalse was easy. Even without your help, we pushed the vote through. But while me and my allies were true to the agreement, you strike out at ruse, supposedly a member of the 6 players you wanted in your allience.

Or am I to assume that merrid is acting alone, and that your allience with lio and your talks of betraying ruse are completely coincidental?

Ruse and Karat discuss strategy.

Ruse, on 30 April 2011 - 01:16 AM, said:

Only that they are thinking to do so.

I think it is a good idea to go for Serc.

I leveled up to level 4 and I got another ability that might be useful. It is called savior.

Quote

Savior - Do not vote for <Player> at the next Tribal Council and you will be rewarded with a permanent +1 stat bonus of your choice (you may only receive this bonus a maximum of one time per game)

I can apply this for any player alive.


No, I found the HI under a strange looking rock.

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 01:32 AM, said:

Serc allied with me this morning, sent me aessage saying why am I helping the newbies I sent a message saying I was following the plan me and merrid laid out and that it was him and his that betrayed us I'll send the full thing later on when I'm at a comp not my phone

I also took a shot in the dark, I know lio an serc are allied and they are both on ur list, so I said I already know about them conspiring against you, it makes it look to serc that lio is playing them even though he may be playing us

Do u want me to confront lio?

I'd like to knownwho voted for Alkend...

Merrid messages me saying he voted for kalse and he doesn't know what else happened. I haven't replied
Yet but I'll say what's the point in me entering a new 6 player alliance when those 6 not only don't vote with each other, but activly vote against each other

Karat monologues.

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 01:37 AM, said:

So merrid and co werent even trust worthey once? Presumably they believed that with lio turning on ruse and whoever was voting for alkend ( I'm going to assume it was one of us pensadors) that they would have the numbers to hit ruse, which would then lower My abilities and break the cadre

Unlucky for them ruse found that idol

[Path-Shaper]

Lizra gives some advice to Roldom.

Ruse, on 30 April 2011 - 01:44 AM, said:

I think Serc might confront Lio when he reads your message. I'm not sure if it would be better for us if we get Lio to think Serc betrayed him or if he has no idea about the whole thing before that.

Okaros might have voted for Alkend. He and I were talking about who to go for before your alliance with Merrid and we ended up with going for Alkend if nothing else comes up. He told me that you had wrote him to go for Kalse, but I forgot to tell him that I agree.
Or it could have been Kalse, but from the way PS resolved TC I think they were allied.

Ruse, on 30 April 2011 - 01:45 AM, said:

Alkend just allied me.

Serc and Roldom exchange lies.

Serc, on 30 April 2011 - 02:47 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

Ah but serc, am I not following the course you and your allies set out?

Did I not receive Confirmation from merrid that we were to form an alliance of 6, ano, lio, merrid, ruse, your esteamed self and I.

And after confering with merrid we decided as an act of good will to vote of kalse, followed by a pensador player.

Getting enough votes to remove kalse was easy. Even without your help, we pushed the vote through. But while me and my allies were true to the agreement, you strike out at ruse, supposedly a member of the 6 players you wanted in your allience.

Or am I to assume that merrid is acting alone, and that your allience with lio and your talks of betraying ruse are completely coincidental?

This and that. Yes, Merrid and I decided we should make a try at working with you guys, etc etc, that wasn't coincidence or anything. But where was there ever an agreement to vote for Kalse?! I suggested to Lio and Merrid that we keep the teams equal by voting alternatingly between former Pensadors and former Durezas, and since Barghast had just been lynched we'd do a Pensador next. Lio's first suggestion after "conferring with his ally" was Ruse. And while Lio tried to muddy waters pretending you weren't the mysterious ally of his, I remain convinced it was you.

So you're saying that you and Lio weren't on the same page somehow? I thought you guys were pretty close. And then if Lio suggests Ruse, who happens to know to pull out his hidden idol despite a majority of Pensadors alive... pretty suspicious. Not to mention that since Lio suggested Ruse, that would mean that evidently Ruse wasn't going to be part of the alliance, meaning Ano, merrid and I are more than you and Lio, so why would we deign to vote out another Dureza first...

Doesn't add up, Karat, doesn't add up. So, please clear this all up if this really is just a bafflingly large number of coincidences and misunderstandings...

*snip Karat's quote post from other convo*

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 03:43 AM, said:

see how ruse is in that list of 6 players....

[Path-Shaper]

Massive list of PMs... gahh

Tattersail needs to realize that at a 2-man advantage, all he's doing is pushing it back to a stone draw.

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 10:53 AM, said:

Action - Top Chef

Upgrade leader Lvl 2

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 11:02 AM, said:

Right, I'm going to look into probably siding with the other faction. I feel like I am the lowest Pensador and if I do not get Allies then I can ruin this for me, I am thinking of breaking alliance with Kartallidad and forging one with either Merrid or Anomandaris. This is just me thinking though, I need to see how this is going to work, because I know that there are little factions within this tribe but I cannot put my finger on which ones. I should either get closer to Kartallidad and Ruse or become a defect to off some of my tribe, but I need to have other people on my side too.

I am thinking that if Pensador become smaller then I would become more important within the tribe and be much more of a needed player.

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 11:10 AM, said:

Fuck it, I am going to stir shit up a little bit, make things a bit more interesting.

Break Alliance with Kartallidad

Forge Alliance with Merrid

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 11:15 AM, said:

My plan is to vote along with the Dureza players as they must be desperate now. If I vote along with them then Pensador will get pegged back a little, then I vote with pensador and get rid of ano or alkend then back to voting with dureza until it be 4 pensador 2/3 dureza, then i'll be sticking with Ruse and Kartallidad until the end. This is if they trust me.

Here's what he tells Karat.

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 10:52 AM, said:

Right, I want to vote off Serc at the next council. Are you with me, i'm thinking that Serc has brains, and is probably maneuvering quite a few people at the moment, its a vibe i'm getting especially with the rant on thread. I am out of the loop from both sides, i'm not comfortable being a low rung player, I want more discussion otherwise I feel i'm going to be betrayed. We stick with voting off Dureza, is this right? Or do you suspect that people have different plans?

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

I am going to break alliance with you and form one with someone else, I have communication with you through Ruse, now i'll have to trust Ruse and he is the one that gave you extra powers so hopefully us three will make it to the end. I am looking for a final three finish of me you and Ruse, I have said the same to Ruse and I am hoping you are on board, I think Liosan has a connection to Tulas and Eloth and they are forming a bond, if this is the case then we need to be strong together. I have a plan and the way to hatch the plan is to form a new alliance, I hope you trust me enough to believe that it will be me you and Ruse final three. I am hoping you do.

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 11:09 AM, said:

Ps, if you want to say something to me then go through Ruse.

[Path-Shaper]

Roldom maxes out.

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 06:22 AM, said:

Please level up my endurence to level 4

Ment is switching it up, too.

Alkend, on 30 April 2011 - 01:26 PM, said:

Break alliance w/ Ano

forge alliance Karat

and tell me how much available XP i have plz.

Oh, and what is Ruse?

He uses the Groupthink to his advantage.

Alkend, on 30 April 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:

Gonna cut this, since we got groupthink.

Will try to link karat

[Path-Shaper]

Eloth, on 01 May 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 May 2011 - 06:50 AM, said:

Noted on the rally, here's your last level of leader (sorry for the delay, busy busy weekend).

Leader - Level 4:
Puppet Master - They pull the switch, but you pull the strings - You may use Forge Alliance with as many people as you wish. You are no longer limited to creating two forged alliances. All alliances you previously broke may be reforged again.
Groupthink (A) - If two heads are better than one... - Select any players you wish with whom you have an alliance. A new PM thread will be opened for all of those players and you. This will not open or close any existing alliances. (max usage of once per TC cycle. If you wish to add or remove people from Groupthink, you may only do so in the next cycle.)

That is very useful, especially given the level 3 challenge bonus. Wow.

I'd like to forge regular one-to-one alliances with TS and Merrid, please, and a groupthink alliance with TS, Karatallid, Ruse, Liosan and Okaros, please.

[Path-Shaper]

Lizra prompts me for info.

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 05:11 PM, said:

Can you give me the informant about Alkend?

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

search hidden immunity

D'rek is interesting to hear what these guys say to each other.

Serc, on 01 May 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

Alright, i think I'm finally ready to make the call. This phase I listen in on all conversation between Karatallid and Eloth! Hurray for retroactivity!

[Path-Shaper]

Karatallid apologizes for suspecting HiddenOne of betrayal.

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 06:28 AM, said:

sorry this thread got suppressed and i didnt see this message till now,

that explains why they went for ruse,

from what ive heard back from serc and merrid, me and ruse have been thinking you had betrayed us all morning lol

we have to get to that stage before we can worry about it

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 06:29 AM, said:

also you should of just left that out, i had convinced merrid to vote for kalse, we could of kept them sweet another round lol

Liosan, on 30 April 2011 - 11:59 AM, said:

Sorry, I'm no betrayer

Left what out?? Did I say something stupid?

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:21 AM, said:

I know that now, but before i manage to see that message we had gotten a little worried.

Again sorry.

It might of been ok for you to not mention to vote for ruse, i had merrid thinking we were going for kalse anyway so maybe we could of achieved teh same and ruse wouldnt of had to use his idol, but its all worked out rather well so far.

why did PS surpress the conversation?

Lizra suggests to HiddenOne that Serc be the next target.

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 02:49 AM, said:

Kara and I were thinking of going for Serc next TC with Anomandaris as backup in case Serc gets Immunity.

Any thought?

Here's the conversation between the Cadre leaders over the last few days.

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 06:31 AM, said:

IMPORTANT!

theres a chance lio has been honest with us

Liosan, on 29 April 2011 - 12:23 PM, said:

yeah I re-read that last post by P-S and felt stupid...

I have proposed Ruse as a target for the vote to the Dureza guys and they agree. They think you and I will vote for Ruse.

HAve you thought about how these angry & betrayed-feeling Durezas are going to treat us when the time comes for the Jury?

lio set a trap to waste the dureza votes. clever but ive only just found out about it. mine and lios comms were suppressed. probably because of that thing with merrid and barghast you mentioned earlier

Karatallid, on 30 April 2011 - 06:32 AM, said:

we could use this to sell out lio to placate the 3 durezas....im not saying we should, nor do i like the idea but we could do it....

Ruse, on 30 April 2011 - 06:05 PM, said:

Ah, I wish I had known about that trap earlier.
I don't think to placate them is worth selling Lio out. When the first Pensador member is voted out then the alliance will most likely break.

Btw, Okaros has started planing:

*snip*

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 01:49 AM, said:

i recieved the message from okaros saying he was going to break with me.

his main gripe seemed to be that no one is talking to him and he doesnt want to be on a bottom rung, because if we have to sell someone out it would likely be him.

Understandable in a way but i think he is prepared to sell to the highest bidder right now. The only people im trusting right now is you and Ts and probably Lio too,

Id rather get rid of eloth before TS or Lio

what do you think? im still not sure whether or not to trust okoras

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 01:56 AM, said:

I agree on getting rid of Eloth before TS or Lio.

I think we should see how Okaros acts once he is allied with Merrid.
Right now he seems comfortable with me as an allie, but I think we should vote for him before TS or Lio.

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:01 AM, said:

he didnt seem so comfy with me, if we decide to work with merrid and co, we have to vote out a pensador next.

are we prepared to do that?

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 02:07 AM, said:

If we do that, then we should go for Okaros otherwise the original alliance will break and there will be no way to tell if the others will join with some former Durezas to vote us off.

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:14 AM, said:

you know im starting to get depressed with all this backstabbing...

I persoanly think we should leave alkend alone for now, and concentrate on one of the the other 3, as soon as we hit a pensador....if i had to do kill off one of our own i would do it in a way that looked like i didnt vote against them. accidently cause enough confusion to split the pensador vote so that the durezas can make there 4 votes count. but doing that risks all of us unless we dont tell the durezas what we are up to

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 02:22 AM, said:

I'm not sure the others would buy an accidental split of votes.
I think it is safest to go for a Dureza. And I agree that we should leave Alkend for now.

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:

annoying that we cant talk about getting rid of a certain player cos it shuts down the comm

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 02:29 AM, said:

So true.

But he is only one out of three. And of the other two I'd prefer to go for Serc.

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:35 AM, said:

then thats our target, are you allied with everyone? can you spread the word?

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 02:39 AM, said:

Yes.

Should I give Anomandaris as a back up, in case Serc wins immunity?

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:57 AM, said:

yeah

[Path-Shaper]

Tapper's in it... he's hatched a plot with Tattersail.

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 10:51 AM, said:

Right, I want to vote off Serc at the next council. Are you with me, i'm thinking that Serc has brains, and is probably maneuvering quite a few people at the moment, its a vibe i'm getting especially with the rant on thread. I am out of the loop from both sides, i'm not comfortable being a low rung player, I want more discussion otherwise I feel i'm going to be betrayed. We stick with voting off Dureza, is this right? Or do you suspect that people have different plans?

Eloth, on 30 April 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 30 April 2011 - 10:51 AM, said:

Right, I want to vote off Serc at the next council. Are you with me, i'm thinking that Serc has brains, and is probably maneuvering quite a few people at the moment, its a vibe i'm getting especially with the rant on thread. I am out of the loop from both sides, i'm not comfortable being a low rung player, I want more discussion otherwise I feel i'm going to be betrayed. We stick with voting off Dureza, is this right? Or do you suspect that people have different plans?

Serc is an ally of mine. He told me that he has been in contact with Lio and Kara and was told by them to vote Ruse - who then pulled out the idol. Genius tactic, but... That will only work once on them. And I dislike the fact the three of them did not inform us of this tactic. It makes them look like they want to play on with us as their lackeys, instead of as full partners. However, we do hold a position of strength with the six of us.

So, either we stick with the Penderosa tactic (I'd be comfortable with that), or we look elsewhere. Looking elsewhere will take time and work and so I've started to slowly scout the various options. I've been trying to get a look at the chances of forging an alliance going between you, TS, me and two of them to dominate the field - the thing is, to dominate we need to break the Ruse-Kara-Lio triangle without losing our position of strength and getting voted off by a Dureza block after that.


So, whatever we do, if we ally with Dureza to break the triangle, we must make sure we're not becoming the victims of it, either.

Step 1 would be to vote of 1 of Ruse, Kara, Lio.

From there, there are 2 options:
First Option: we then bring the two who are still around, back into an alliance with TS, you and me, and cut down Dureza, including our allies who we used to break the triangle down;

Second Option: we stick to that alliance and vote off Dureza, one of the Penderosa's, another Dureza, and the last of Ruse/Kara/Lio.

Haven't decided for myself what option I prefer. the longer we wait, the more chance one of the Dureza's will try and go along with Serc/Lio/Ruse to get rid of us. I'm not so sure anymore of any of them trying to play along with us as I was a day or two ago.

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

Well I would vote off Lio then to start with, then Alkend or Ano as they are in the other faction, then Kartallidad or whatever, we would need a final three of you me and Tulas. To do this would be making sure they (dureza) are always one behind pendarosa so that they cannot betray us.

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

If you are mentioning Serc/lio/ruse at the end then how can you like being an ally of Serc's?

I would be happy offing Serc or Lio next then, what are your thoughts? I would suggest forming an alliance with alkend, the only trump at the moment is the hidden immunity idol

Bent's in pain but he wants to win so badly... he tells Vengey who he is!

Tulas Shorn, on 30 April 2011 - 05:42 AM, said:

Venge - you are the only person other than PB that knows this...I am in the process right now of passing a kidney stone...I have taken 2 hydrocodone 10's and am drinking beer to try to push this fucking thing out of my fucking dick!

I am not a lady

I am Bent

Thats how you know you can trust me in this game, I want to win...I really really want to own this fucking game, but Im high on pills and drinking and needed to let someone know what kind of shit I have been going through for the last fucking week trying to pass this son of a bitch.

Help me win Venge.

And please, no matter what , dont tell a soul who I am, I want it to be my epic return! Even if I dont win I want to shock the asses off of everyone in the game.

Fuck this hurts.

Merrid, on 30 April 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

I was just asking bubba how you were doing. No wonder he said that you were going through shit. Fuck I knew I recognized your posting style. I fucking new I knew you... Dude I am so sorry about you having a stone. Lauren had one 7 years ago. She had to have surgery to have it removed. Seriously sucks ass. I am totally in. I just have to figure out how to get Drek in with us.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:49 AM, said:

Well I have approached Serc. So we will see. Nice that all of that shit is going down on the thread. So I guess I will see what Serc has to say. But it seems that if Kara can convince one of the durza to go over even then we are all toast.

Bent's clearly playing Roldom now.

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:07 AM, said:

so how you holding up there TS? the whole ruse thing has shook us up a little badly and i think i should spend a bit more of my time checking in with everyone making sure they dont have any problems

About serc being a pain in the arse, just ignore it and say something like no more dragon sex for you, and leave it at that. He is just trying to get a reaction from you to cause trouble

Tulas Shorn, on 01 May 2011 - 05:11 PM, said:

Yeah, I just hate when people are so rude!

But I am not too worried, we have the numbers, and I know we'll hold strong until they are all gone!

Ruse is funny... or being naive. He clearly knows why Lio was shut down.

Ruse, on 30 April 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

It seems Lio was trying to set a trap for the Durezas and was somehow shut up before he could tell anyone.

Tulas Shorn, on 30 April 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

Really? how could he "trap" them?

With just them we were plus 1, we had the numbers right?

Why the hell would he vote AGAINST one of his own!

IDIOT!

Well, it was a good play - saved your ass possibly, but I still dont like it.

Kara said Liosan was at the top of his trust list, does he know about this?

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 12:14 AM, said:

If I get it right, he wanted to spread their votes.

Yes, I told Kara. How long ago did he said this? Before or after the last TC?

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 02:49 AM, said:

Kara and I were thinking of going for Serc next TC with Anomandaris as backup in case Serc gets Immunity.

Any thought?

Tulas Shorn, on 01 May 2011 - 05:07 PM, said:

I'll be honest here, I am still worried about Alkend. He was a strong player. Its up to you guys, but we have the numbers now so I would shoot for Alkend, then Serc, then Ano, or whatever.

Let me know what you think.

Ruse, on 01 May 2011 - 05:24 PM, said:

True but he seems to be more or less out of the loop. The other Dureza members seem to want him gone before they go.
And iirc then Serc was good in the challenges, too.

[Path-Shaper]

Tattersail is trying to jump ship!

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 12:18 PM, said:

Hiya Merrid,

You want to form an alliance? I get from Eloth that he is alligned with serc, this leads me to believe that you are in league with them? I am on the outside as a pensador, so I would be willing to join you for the time being. Is this something that would interest you?

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:

That is something that would interest me.

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 03:49 PM, said:

I am allied with Serc, and we would be happy to be allied with you.

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

So now from Dureza you have you, Serc, Alkend and Ano, are you not allied with them also? I have been informed by Eloth that Serc is allied with him too. So that would be Serc, You, Eloth and Me allied. Eloth thinks that the next choice to go would be Liosan is this something you agree with?

Merrid, on 01 May 2011 - 05:36 PM, said:

That would be something I would agree with. With Durza I am certain of Serc and Ano. There is a possibility that Alkend has gone over to Kara. But that is solely based off of some of the comments from the game thread. He can be hard to read at times.

I would be totally fine with removing Liosan from the game.

Okaros, on 01 May 2011 - 05:40 PM, said:

So would I, obviously we have 2 challenges to go, a reward challenge and an immunity challenge so until they conclude we won't know much more. However I will be around for any messages you send across and respond asap. Liosan would be a good target in my opinion. Once a few more pensador go it will be a good discussion with what dureza you would like to go, as it will be getting cut around the edges from both sides.

D'rek carries on with Karatallid.

Serc, on 30 April 2011 - 02:09 PM, said:

hmph, well I wasn't privy to that stuff, and figured Lio actually knew what he was doing

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:09 AM, said:

in this game with these players you figured that somebody new what they where doing?

well theres your problem right there

Serc, on 01 May 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 May 2011 - 02:09 AM, said:

in this game with these players you figured that somebody new what they where doing?

well theres your problem right there

Point taken. Sigh... and now he's gone and taken my satirical threat to fill his minecraft castle full of TNT seriously...

Serc, on 01 May 2011 - 06:17 PM, said:

Well, whether you knew about Ruse or not, people think you did and it doesn't reflect well on you...

You see Eloth's big post on-thread recently? Hard to tell if it's scathing or just reflective, but in respect to Karat's big post up-thread, it looks to me like Eloth is hinting at or downright triggering a Pensador split focused upon Karat (who already admitted to working with the Durezas in his big post, which was probably the kicker for Eloth and co.). I don't know who's working with them, but if I were you I'd start distancing yourself from Karat ASAP. They'll probably WIFOM the vote by looking like they'll take Karat directly and instead try to cut out his base (ie you and Ruse and maybe Merrid and anyone else they figure is helping him... Alkend maybe?) first before going for the head. So yeah, if you're being sincere, I'd get the hell out of there before its too late...