[Sinisdar Toste]

the MT Forkrul info comes from Silchas, in one of his visions to kettle. the bit regarding FA cities goes something like this "...and they set forth, from their pit-cities, where they did not live, but only gathered before delivering justice..."

or something similar. as for a Forkrul Assail homeland, it's probably so far removed in time that they don't even remember it. do the Jaghut have a homeland? the Thel Akai? possibly, but who can say where it might be?

[Kanese S's]

Perhaps they are from the area now known as the Glass Desert. Then again, they could just have decided to kill their god there.

[D'iversify]

worrywort, on 10 May 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

I could be imagining this, but wasn't it said in one of the books that the FA did have a homeland that involved vast subterranean cities, but that their nature made them self-destructive as a species so they had to spread out across the warrens. Did I just totally imagine that, or does it sound familiar to anyone else?

From Encyclopedia Malazica: "To achieve peace, destruction is delivered. To give the gift of freedom, one promises eternal imprisonment. Adjudication obviates the need for justice. This is a studied, deliberate embrace of diametric opposition. It is a belief in balance, a belief asserted with the conviction of religion. But in this case, the proof of a god's power lies not in the cause but in the effect. Accordingly, in this world and in all others, proof is achieved by action, and therefore all action – including the act of choosing inaction – is inherently moral. No deed stands outside the moral context. At the same time, the most morally perfect act is the one taken in opposition to what has occurred before...In this civilization...its citizens were bound to acts of utmost savagery. Vast cities were constructed beneath the world's surface. Each chamber, every building, assembled as the physical expression of the quality of absence. Solid rock matched by empty space. From these places, where they did not dwell, but simply gathered, they set out to achieve balance." - Silchas Ruin on Forkrul Assail philosophy and civilization - (MT, UK Trade, p.394)

Personally, I think that the 'homeland' of the Forkrul Assail may well have been on Lether on the basis that it is where the remnants of their slaughtered God continue to haunt the wastes. On the other hand, they seem well travelled, as they appear to have in their early history taken the application of Justice as being a missionary calling, and consequently interfered in all sorts of peoples' affairs, e.g. the Toblakai, the Tiste Edur.

Edit: Oops, just realised that Kanese S's was ahead in postulating the Glass Desert.

This post has been edited by D'iversify: 11 May 2012 - 12:31 PM

[Zenstrive]

It is quite poetic that a brute goddess of fists and ugly face could spawn a race so bent on destructive justice.

[warbob]

sorry for bumping the old thread , but I'm really curious and it's important to me to find out about the F.A. God , the d'ivers in the glass desert.Can someone please tell me his name and reason why F.A. killed him + we could find possible clues about their origin from there ... maybe?

[worry]

Well if you've read The Crippled God, then you know just as much anyone else who read it.

[warbob]

There are quite a lot of wild speculations going around here , so I wouldn't be surprised if someone tries to prove BS like dancer and the emperor being the same person .There are some that are very good ofcourse and I don't see a reason for people not to try to scratch their tongues if something meaningful comes out
Do you happen to know the answear to "why F.A. killed their own god" and "what's the name of that god" ?More importantly the name.I heard from the FB group that it was mentioned and was advised to look for it here but I couldn't find it

[champ]

warbob, on 12 August 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

There are quite a lot of wild speculations going around here , so I wouldn't be surprised if someone tries to prove BS like dancer and the emperor being the same person .There are some that are very good ofcourse and I don't see a reason for people not to try to scratch their tongues if something meaningful comes out
Do you happen to know the answear to "why F.A. killed their own god" and "what's the name of that god" ?More importantly the name.I heard from the FB group that it was mentioned and was advised to look for it here but I couldn't find it

I believe this is what you are looking for...

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That's the thing with the Just Wars - they never end and never will because Justice is a weak god with too many names. The Liosan called it Serkanos and the Assail called it Rynthan. Anyway, no matter what language it spoke, its followers could not understand it. A mystery language, which is why it has no power because all its followers believe the wrong things -things they just make up and nobody can agree and that's why the wars never end.'

This post has been edited by champ: 12 August 2012 - 06:19 AM

[warbob]

A nice quote , thank you
May I ask where it is in the books if you happen to know?

[BloodIron]

Black Winged Lord, on 10 May 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

I remember vaguely, perhaps from Midnight Tides with the edur invasion of lether, someone talking about a pit being excavated that was Forkrul Assail in origin. So subterranean definitely rings a bell.

Was that where Iron Bars gang ran into that guy trying to set himself up as a warlord? Could be way off track.
If that was the case though it may support the idea that the assail split into small enclaves.

They do come across barrows at that point. Seren Pedac says that her people always assumed the barrows and structure were left over from the Tarthenal. In retrospect, when passing this time with the CG escort, she says something like "but the scale is all wrong"

Corlo or Bars say "Too small?"

Seren says "No, too big."

Corlo senses the pretend Letherii warlord and co. are raising something nasty, which breaks loose as they are about to throw down. Later, when Edur come through, Trull, Fear and the two big ass demons I can't spell, come across the newly released FA.

This brings up a weird point of scale. The tarthenal are not pure Toblakai, but still very large humanoids. So... how frigging big are FA?? i always thought they were tall, but so much bigger than a tarthenal it would throw the scale of their architecture off to that degree?

This post has been edited by BloodIron: 12 August 2012 - 04:59 PM

[Kanese S's]

They might not actually be that big, but they could just have built much larger barrows than the Tarthenal. How big a grave site is does not necessarily indicate physical stature of the interred. Seren would presumably be familiar with Tarthenal customs and burial sites, and perhaps the Tarthenal barrows she'd seen all fell within a certain size range that the FA barrow lay well outside of.