[Kalse]

Give us a resolution! We're dying here......well, I'm a little nauseus(sp?9) at least.



And 1451 ice-cold bottles of beer thanks to Omtose on the wall, 1451 ice-cold bottles of beer,
Take one down, and pass it around, 1450 ice-cold bottles of beer thanks to Omtose on the wall!

[Path-Shaper]

TIGER used the distraction of the gun fight to slip into the mansion, tip-toeing over the ancient oak floorboards, always aware of the possibility they might actually be a nightingale trap. Melting into the shadows, he easily avoided a large group of men rushing to the lead exchange, then was almost discovered by a straggler. He followed the target, so close he could feel the man's body heat at times. Almost casually, he aimed the blowgun he carried on his hip - airgun was perhaps a better word - and squeezed the trigger, releasing the air-pressure and punching a conical poison dart into the neck of his victim, closing his mouth with his other hand and bringing him gently down to the floor.

Osseric is dead. He was Silencer, and Agung Redjosentono, a Syndicate Sentry.

Everyone is now level 1, 10 players remaining.

[Path-Shaper]

OK, we're back online. I'm not going to be a nice person and give you all extra time, because we will be entering a weekend break anyway. Modkill timer runs until tomorrow at noon, after that it is weekend.
Designated end of day is monday, 9.15 PM CET (which is 101 hours from now).

[Barghast]

Ampelas, on 17 March 2011 - 07:06 AM, said:

Barghast was the only one that voted [Osseric].... but no one really followed that vote....

You were right... and somehow I got myself into thinking that I had voted for Korabas after I looked into his and Kalse's posts. No pictures = easily confused, sigh.

[Barghast]

Well we have lots of time, but I'd rather get another day out of it rather than wait all the way until Monday.

Gotta say, I'm always impressed by Spycraft. The CF-hiding ability for yesterday was genius... was it an Agent ability, and if so, was it used in response to the possibility of one of their own being lynched? Or is it just a huge red herring?

And Omtose was killed. In an iron-man game, you have to assume that it's likely that someone that voted for his lynch (especially the later votes) would not have killed him. Was it someone offline most of the day? Someone that didn't vote? Or maybe someone that was involved in the last votes of the day and didn't like the pseudo-reveal (let's face it, claiming RI is Spycraft is pretty pointless).

[Merrid]

There are meant to be clues in the scene's given by PS. That's how I see it, we do not know if HP was scum or not, it looks like there was confusion surrounding the whole thing. It looked like scum was making a move and was foiled but we do not know who the scum was, my thinking is that it was Omtose vs HP, one of them was scum whilst the other was innocent and because HP's CF came up with us still clueless and a night kill going off it looks like Omtose was just buying one more day so he could get his kill in before we lynch him.

I understand we needed a lynch and looking at HP's posts it did set off the alarm bells so I have no qualms in the change of vote, what I do have qualms about is Omtose stating he is RI. At the start it did mention strictly no reveals, but this might have just swung the vote over to HP for his erratic play. I feel the only way we can no for sure whether or not we hit scum with HP is by lynching Omtose.

With the fact that there was a night kill and we do not know for sure if HP was town or scum this seems like the logical way forward

I will read over the thread again, there has been a lot of action towards end of day yesterday and then there is a lynch scene and a kill scene to go through

First things that come to mind on the re read is that GL is jumping everywhere, like he doesn't care who gets voted off as long as its not him.

Cross post with Barghy, also @ barghy it was Osseric not Omtose that was killed

This post has been edited by Merrid: 17 March 2011 - 03:39 PM

[Ruse]

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

Well we have lots of time, but I'd rather get another day out of it rather than wait all the way until Monday.

Gotta say, I'm always impressed by Spycraft. The CF-hiding ability for yesterday was genius... was it an Agent ability, and if so, was it used in response to the possibility of one of their own being lynched? Or is it just a huge red herring?

And Omtose was killed. In an iron-man game, you have to assume that it's likely that someone that voted for his lynch (especially the later votes) would not have killed him. Was it someone offline most of the day? Someone that didn't vote? Or maybe someone that was involved in the last votes of the day and didn't like the pseudo-reveal (let's face it, claiming RI is Spycraft is pretty pointless).

Don't you mean Osseric, not Omtose? Osseric was low-posting, had a vote or two on him at some point, and turns up dead and RI. Interesting choice for the killer, since it's possible that we would have gone for an Osseric lynch eventually. I'm gonna go back and see if he said anything interesting...

In the words of the immortal Dude, who benefits from an anonymous CF? If HP was scum then it throws us off the track a bit because we can't use his train info to find other scum...

[Ruse]

Crosspost with Merrid. I've mostly been convinced by Omtose's helplessness, but maybe Merrid is right - Omtose put up hardly any fight at all, claiming no defense was possible, and jumped on the HP train as soon as I made my case for him. And the progression of the Omtose->HP->Omtose trains might give us enough info to connect the dots...

I also agree with Barg that getting another vote in before the weekend would be good, waiting till Monday will just drag everything out.

[Barghast]

Here's my feeling... you can't ever count out the lurkers, but these are the 5+ vote markers.

I voted for Omtose and then went to bed, so it would have been stupid of me to also kill him.

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 06:42 AM, said:

Well, I don't think voting HP is the right move here.

Ruse voted HP for 1) Defending Ampelas (who was being brought up as a lynch target by GL), 2) Discussing scum and finders with Rashan, and 3) Voting for Omtose suspiciously.

I really feel like GL is constantly at the heart of a lot of these matters... and in a sense, Ruse's vote only serves as a long-winded method of trying to cover up GL's activities (it's basically attacking HP for attacking GL for attacking Amp). I think Ampelas has done enough with his swing vote here that has pushed the vote to a 4-4 standoff that it's unlikely he's tied to HP as Ruse is implying is possible.

Combine that with the idea that a "swing" of votes to HP is just fishy.

Remove Vote
Vote Omtose

Just seems like the best move at this point.

Here's Rashan's vote... he put it back to 5-5 and then went to bed before anyone else voted. Omtose still could have been lynched so it would have been silly to kill him off.

Rashan, on 17 March 2011 - 07:03 AM, said:

Shit. It looks like my vote is needed.

Vote HP

This vote is basically based on what I can remember of yesterday. The train of Fener. What I remember of Omtose was that he was trying to have a discussion with himself as their wasn't too many people to talk to.

Here's Ampelas essentially putting Omtose over the hump... Omtose could have been easily lynched at this point by several people who followed.

Ampelas, on 17 March 2011 - 07:14 AM, said:

well, I believe several people said they weren't coming back.

inthe interest of breaking the deadlock

remove vote

vote Omtose

Kalse then breaks back toward HP when it's "decided" HP will be lynched due to Omtose's pleading and discussion.

Kalse, on 17 March 2011 - 08:07 AM, said:

ah, frak it!



remove vote



vote HP

Ampelas follows back.

Ampelas, on 17 March 2011 - 08:09 AM, said:

remove vote

vote HP

come on Osseric...

Osseric hammers.

Osseric, on 17 March 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

Remove vote

Vote HP

Fine, seeing as nothing else is likely now...sudden doubts about Omtose, though!

Also, the remove vote is just precautionary...

Ampelas looks pretty clean to me in the above exchange. When he voted Omtose, he put Omtose to L-1. That means a single vote lynches Omtose. If he were scum, surely he'd have put in his kill order on someone else. He wouldn't have been able to change it, so the only way he's scum is if he's putting his kill on Omtose and somehow hoping that the lynch swings back. That wouldn't make much sense, so Ampelas has to get the nod here.

Kalse and Osseric are clearly a bit dodgier characters... either one could have held the order until the last second. However, this also seems to be unlikely. Considering either guy could have lynched off Omtose (both were around at the end), it seems likely one would have just done so with a kill order in elsewhere.

I really have to think we're looking at someone who wasn't around for most of the day. I know that kind of thinking is dangerous... but still.

edit: I completely misread the death, I am stupid...

This post has been edited by Barghast: 17 March 2011 - 03:53 PM

[Ampelas]

If HP was scum, this throws bad light @ Barghast, because he refused to vote HP at a fairly critical point. Thats wifom, though.

[Barghast]

Crossposted and yes, you're completely right.... wow I am stupid. Osseric died not Omtose. Consider most of what I just said bunk.

I don't get to see avatar pictures from my work PC so I ALWAYS get similar names confused when I play.

[Ampelas]

Errr, im pretty sure Omtose is still alive, barg. Unless im missing something

[Ruse]

These crossposts are hilarious.

[Path-Shaper]

Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Kalse, Korabas, Liosan, Merrid, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse are still alive.

Fener, HP and Osseric are dead.

[Barghast]

Ampelas, on 17 March 2011 - 03:52 PM, said:

If HP was scum, this throws bad light @ Barghast, because he refused to vote HP at a fairly critical point. Thats wifom, though.

It would be that way, sure, but then why would I have held my vote for so long? I should have just voted Omtose long before I did to try and make sure a random train didn't build up elsewhere.

[Barghast]

Well crap, I've thrown my entire logic off with this reading fail. Yes, I was the only one to vote Osseric, but I'm not sure why that would mean I would have killed him. A lot of people said he was slightly scummy.

This is about the time where I'm thinking of voting out GL... that guy's fingers are in every sticky mess we find.

[Path-Shaper]

I'm commuting, so out for a while.

[Liosan]

Well, I am all caught up. Whoever quoted Lebowski had it right on the head.. Look for who benefits most. As Osseric stated before he kicks the bucket, because of the ambiguous CF we are forced to WIFOM the train. Who benefits from that. Scum. IMO HP was scum. Whether he was an inside man(symp), or one of the spies, I feel like this would be a worthless ability for one of the Syndicate to have. Also notice in the scene (which have cluse) that the comandos set off the smoke, scum set off the smoke and lo and behold it's the smoke that covers HP. I am fairly confident that HP was playing for the other team...and he was a spy ( see what I did there??? )

Path-Shaper, on 17 March 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

"DRAGON 1 to DRAGON 2, proceed with assault."

"Yes sir, covering our beach head, sir."

Moments later, a small field mortar was constructed, a smoke grenade lobbed over the gate defenses, and the team of commandos set off into the smoke, hoping their training and the element of surprise would allow them to force a breakthrough and lure enemy defenders into the open instead of having them entrenched in the residence and its outhouses.

The security responded with trained speed, and within moments, a chaotic gunfight broke out within the smoke cloud, dropping one and wounding several others, though whose side the victim was on, was entirely unclear.

HP (HiddenOne) is dead. His alignment is UNKNOWN thanks to the smoke.

Interesting post here by Korabas. And bears some looking into. HP did agree and extrapolate on Rashan's talk of someone possibly knowing Fener. Subtle signaling? Also, Kalse's defense by barghast ( Which is somewhat mitigated later by his acusations of Kalse in his incorrect analysis(because osseric died, not omtose).

Korabas, on 17 March 2011 - 02:39 AM, said:

Liosan, on 17 March 2011 - 02:30 AM, said:

And reall.. if you think you spot a finder... why wouldn't you want to keep it to yourself...

Right now I see

Kalse being defending by Barhast and

Hood's Path pointing out town roles, thus being connected to Rashan.

I guess it is a question of how many scum are in this game. I think that 4 would be about right. Two different sets of spy's perhaps.

I made the same post, asking why Barghy would defend Kalse. He then feels the need to come on and ask again. Getting hot feet?

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

Korabas, on 17 March 2011 - 01:06 AM, said:

This is a brutal week for me. I was very hesitant to play in this game. In retrospect if I had known how busy I was going to be I would have passed. But I didn't so I am trying to read up and post when I can. As for basing people's defense on some kind of posting consistency I feel that thinking like that is indicative of a small mind.

As for deflecting I think that I would have to be on and posting a lot more to be doing any deflecting. I feel that there is some railroading going on. I also love how I voted for Kalse, and Barghast come up and attacked me. Well if that isn't the definition of what a symp is suppose to do for a master then I don't know it. After Barghast's posts I feel more confident. After all Kalse had been on and replied to my vote. Why does Barghast need to come on and both attack me and defend him.


Anyway off for a bit.

Why would I defend a guy from a single vote that already looks like it's symping Omtose?

Barghast deflecting away from a HP Lynch.

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

Well I still think Korabas is the better vote.

More Barghast deflecting off a HP lynch

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 05:11 AM, said:

Meh, I'm not a fan of last minute swings.

MORE Deflecting from a HP lynch

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 05:13 AM, said:

3 hours or so... don't know if I like the idea of voting off a high poster like HP "suddenly" is a good idea. If you are going to speed lynch, you should stick to a low poster... need to disappear for about an hour then I'll be back.

Discounting of votes placed by players that end up on the HP train.

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 06:11 AM, said:

Ruse speaks... GL and Ampelas listen? How many people has GL followed along this game? It's 4 to 4 Omtose/HP I think... I could push either to 5.

Even MORE deflecting off of a HP lynch! I mean really... If you are inno.. why would you feel so vehemetly (sp) about lynching someone off. I know I don't know jack shit about anyone else on my team, but you seem to be convinced that HP isn't the way to go. Do you have info we don't?

Barghast, on 17 March 2011 - 06:42 AM, said:

Well, I don't think voting HP is the right move here.

Ruse voted HP for 1) Defending Ampelas (who was being brought up as a lynch target by GL), 2) Discussing scum and finders with Rashan, and 3) Voting for Omtose suspiciously.

I really feel like GL is constantly at the heart of a lot of these matters... and in a sense, Ruse's vote only serves as a long-winded method of trying to cover up GL's activities (it's basically attacking HP for attacking GL for attacking Amp). I think Ampelas has done enough with his swing vote here that has pushed the vote to a 4-4 standoff that it's unlikely he's tied to HP as Ruse is implying is possible.

Combine that with the idea that a "swing" of votes to HP is just fishy.

Remove Vote
Vote Omtose

Just seems like the best move at this point.

This was fishy by Omtose. he reveals RI.. well he didn't get get modkilled. Therefore he isn't RI. Though his lack of any real kind of defense leads me to believe he is probably a low role like a Sentry, such as Osseric.

Omtose, on 17 March 2011 - 07:28 AM, said:

the only reason to vote for me is to get the lynch, theres nothing else.

so if your happy with getting rid of an RI just so you have lynch info then go ahead

If you are of the assumption that HP was scum, I don't see, after all his deflecting and shit throwing, how you can think that Barghy isn't scum. It is WIFOM because of the smoke.. but why a town role would have a CF that so clearly hurts town, ( and which is used by scum in the actual scene) is beyond me.

Definately leaning towards a BArghast or Kalse lynch at this point. Kalse because thats who Barghy was also defending or Barghast.. though that would be less productive as we would likely get an inno CF.

Path-Shaper, on 17 March 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

TIGER used the distraction of the gun fight to slip into the mansion, tip-toeing over the ancient oak floorboards, always aware of the possibility they might actually be a nightingale trap. Melting into the shadows, he easily avoided a large group of men rushing to the lead exchange, then was almost discovered by a straggler. He followed the target, so close he could feel the man's body heat at times. Almost casually, he aimed the blowgun he carried on his hip - airgun was perhaps a better word - and squeezed the trigger, releasing the air-pressure and punching a conical poison dart into the neck of his victim, closing his mouth with his other hand and bringing him gently down to the floor.

Osseric is dead. He was Silencer, and Agung Redjosentono, a Syndicate Sentry.

Everyone is now level 1, 10 players remaining.

[Liosan]

Another thing comes to mind.

We had no kill night one. I wonder if Fener had guard abilities and guarded HP so thats why she wanted to vote him off?

If it wasn't HP I would think that if someone guarded someone night one, chose someone else night 2, and we got no kill, and kill..that they would guard the same person as they did night one. Could have been a heal though, which would be much less useful.

[Liosan]

Another thing:

Osseric's CF said "...then was almost discovered by a straggler." If someone did a find last night. I wonder if a fake result was given because of some sort of find protection. Something to keep in mind.