[Loiosh]

Whatever happened to them at the end? Also 'Betrayers' of what?

[Luzburg]

You'd better add spoilers to your title.

Spoiler

Just being careful.

They got absorbed into the storm involving Silchas, Tulas and Eloth.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Luzburg, on 05 March 2011 - 07:15 PM, said:

You'd better add spoilers to your title.

Spoiler

Just being careful.

They got absorbed into the storm involving Silchas, Tulas and Eloth.

Spoiler

not just silchas tulas and eloth, but kalse and ampelas too

[D'rek]

and it was revealed that they are Anthras and Karosis.

Leaving just Alkend, Atrahal, Karatallid and Okaros unaccounted for!

[Tattersail_]

@ D'rek

where did you get those names from? and what type of Elient are they?

[Lister of Smeg]

There's a section near the end where Telorast and Curdle get swept up into the Storm with Silchas et al where their names are revealed. As to what type of Eleint are they, what do you mean? They are pure blood dragons.

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"Storm! Five Ancients - now seven!"
"Eloth greets you, betrayers! Telorast Anthras! Kerudas Karosias!"

[Tattersail_]

I refer to D'rek's comment

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Leaving just Alkend, Atrahal, Karatallid and Okaros unaccounted for!

I meant where did these come from, and what aspect do they have? I reckon they'd be in with the 1000s of dragons that came through Starvald Demelain

Also on that note, what aspect did Telorast and Curdle have? Each of the pure blood dragons have a type of magic or aspect of magic don't they?

[Lister of Smeg]

Those other names come from Rud Elalle's list in MT when he first meets Udinaas. No idea where they are, though. Either they were in that Storm or they are chained somewhere else. Perhaps one of them was the dragon the Nah'ruk killed to open the Gate in DoD (or did we discover who that one was?).

No idea on what Telorast and Curdle's aspects were. We were never told IIRC.

[Luzburg]

Sorrit was the dragon? At least she was one of the dragons killed in the book.

[Loiosh]

Luzburg, on 07 March 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Sorrit was the dragon? At least she was one of the dragons killed in the book.

Thanks guys. I did understand they were part of the swarm. I was curious if there was any reveal of what happened afterwards. Are they freed now or chained to the sword, or chained back in the Hold of Shadow. Looks like we just don't know.

[Sinisdar Toste]

sorrit was the dragon that iccy and mappo found in tBH, just to be clear. i'm not sure if that's the same one from DoD or not, but i don't think so, because sorrit is said to be dead.

[Lister of Smeg]

I'm pretty sure it isn't Sorrit, too. Icarium is pretty certain she's dead and we've seen in tCG that dragon blood loses its efficacy fairly quickly. I suppose the dragon in DoD's identity is just a small mystery out of many that will never be solved.

[Steve Halter]

Loiosh, on 07 March 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

Luzburg, on 07 March 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

Sorrit was the dragon? At least she was one of the dragons killed in the book.

Thanks guys. I did understand they were part of the swarm. I was curious if there was any reveal of what happened afterwards. Are they freed now or chained to the sword, or chained back in the Hold of Shadow. Looks like we just don't know.

We don't know. It is mentioned that 3 dragon spirits are chained to the sword--It seems like these are Eloth, Kalse and Ampelas since those are the three the sword started with. No further mention of Tel and Curdle.

[D'rek]

Yeah, the other names come from Rud Elalle's list in MT. Here's the quote:

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"The boy shrugged. "T'iam, Kalse, Silannah, Ampelas, Okaros, Karosis, Sorrit, Atrahal, Eloth, Anthras, Kessobahn, Alkend, Karatallid, Korbas... Olar. Eleint. Draconean. Dragons. The Pure Dragons. The place where the road comes from is closed. By the mixed bloods who gathered long ago..."

It has been theorized ever since tBH that the pure eleint he names are (mostly/most of) the Shapers of the Blood, ever since the first scene with Kalse, Eloth and Ampelas.

At this point we know

Korabas - Otataral
Ampelas - Kurald Emurlahn
Eloth - Meanas, Mockra & Thyr
Silanah - Thyr
Sorrit - Serc

and we can speculate that Kalse is either Omtose Phellack (he had dreams of ice) or perhaps Rashan (would fit with those three dragons not seeing themselves as usurpers) if he is just saying ice because Icarium was in Kalse Uprooted.

Which of course leaves

Alkend
Anthras (Telorast)
Atrahal
Karatallid
Karosis (Curdle)
Kessobahn
Okaros

as unknowns, and

Denul
D'riss
Hood's Path
Rashan
Ruse
Serc
Telas
Tennes

as the unaccounted for Paths, with potentially some or all of

Akhrast Korvalain
Kurald Galain
Kurald Thyrllan
Omtose Phellack
Tellann

as incorporated Elder warrens. It is hard to judge if they are included or not, as Shadow is ever a semantical exception and the only know Shaped Elder Warren is KE.


Fun, right?

[Tattersail_]

D, on 07 March 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Yeah, the other names come from Rud Elalle's list in MT. Here's the quote:

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"The boy shrugged. "T'iam, Kalse, Silannah, Ampelas, Okaros, Karosis, Sorrit, Atrahal, Eloth, Anthras, Kessobahn, Alkend, Karatallid, Korbas... Olar. Eleint. Draconean. Dragons. The Pure Dragons. The place where the road comes from is closed. By the mixed bloods who gathered long ago..."

It has been theorized ever since tBH that the pure eleint he names are (mostly/most of) the Shapers of the Blood, ever since the first scene with Kalse, Eloth and Ampelas.

At this point we know

Korabas - Otataral
Ampelas - Kurald Emurlahn
Eloth - Meanas, Mockra & Thyr
Silanah - Thyr
Sorrit - Serc

and we can speculate that Kalse is either Omtose Phellack (he had dreams of ice) or perhaps Rashan (would fit with those three dragons not seeing themselves as usurpers) if he is just saying ice because Icarium was in Kalse Uprooted.

Which of course leaves

Alkend
Anthras (Telorast)
Atrahal
Karatallid
Karosis (Curdle)
Kessobahn
Okaros

as unknowns, and

Denul
D'riss
Hood's Path
Rashan
Ruse
Serc
Telas
Tennes

as the unaccounted for Paths, with potentially some or all of

Akhrast Korvalain
Kurald Galain
Kurald Thyrllan
Omtose Phellack
Tellann

as incorporated Elder warrens. It is hard to judge if they are included or not, as Shadow is ever a semantical exception and the only know Shaped Elder Warren is KE.


Fun, right?

It is yeah when you put it like that.

Regarding T'iam, she isn't a pure dragon though is she? She is like 1000s of dragons merging as one, so would tyou say she is a dragon d'ivers? That's how i see it from what happened in this book

[Urizen]

To muddle things further we learn from Icarium in TBH that Osric, a Soletaken, is a Guardian/Shaper of Serc.

[Abyss]

Technically, Ossi is ALSO a Guardian of Serc, as was Sorrit. Iirc, in TB Cotillion makes the point that some of the aspects are shared. Presumably that includes among the mixed-bloods

We never see what happens to Telorast and Curdle after the storms and Tiam's almost manifesting. Since they weren't originally bound to Silch's sword i assume they're either dead or free again. I did think them being pulled in was pretty funny tho'.

Tiam would appear to manifest by drawing in 'all dragons'. Presumably this wasn't always the case or else the logistics of how Ossi and Scabby made the sex with her or Rake and co drank her blood are all kinds of weird.

One dragon, presumably an aspected pureblood, was killed by the Liosan at the beginning.

Another was killed by the Nah'ruk to open the gate we saw in DoD. I don't think we ever determined if that was meant to be Sorrit, although events in TB suggest it. Mappo and Iccy speculated that anyone drinking from sorrit's otataral staked blood would be majorly screwed up,but we don't actually know if anyone did.


- Abyss, bloody uncertain but lovin it.

[D'rek]

Abyss, on 10 March 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

One dragon, presumably an aspected pureblood, was killed by the Liosan at the beginning.

Kessobahn

Abyss, on 10 March 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

Another was killed by the Nah'ruk to open the gate we saw in DoD. I don't think we ever determined if that was meant to be Sorrit, although events in TB suggest it. Mappo and Iccy speculated that anyone drinking from sorrit's otataral staked blood would be majorly screwed up,but we don't actually know if anyone did.

I believe we determined that the dragon stuck to a tree with a Nah'ruk in front of it that Heboric sees was not the same as Sorrit, based on the descriptions of their crucifixtion. Presumably then that one Heboric sees is what was used to open the gate for the Gathran citidels to come through to Wu, and is different from Sorrit. Of course, given that there were Gathran citadels going about killing Barghast for a bit, and then a gate was opened in the battle with Ampelas Uprooted, they might even have killed several dragons (or else the Gathrans killing Barghast were ones recovered on Wu like Ganath's ensnared one). All that being said, the dragon(s) the Nah'ruk killed do(es) not have to be pureblood...

[ansible]

I don't have the quote from DoD/tCG right now, but I'm pretty sure Alkend is dead, and that Ublala's draconean armor is made from Alkend's scales, hide, etc.

[KingTeholBeddict]

I'm pretty sure there's a quote somewhere that said there were three dragons for each aspect or something.... Around the scene when Mappo and Iccy see Sorrit dead I think...