[Galayn Lord]

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 09:31 PM, said:

Silanah, on 01 March 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 09:11 PM, said:

Silanah, on 01 March 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 08:08 PM, said:

well how stupid can Silanah be? Finger pointing at me for trying to find who i'm supposed to find? Is Silanah above you in command? Is that why you are thinking its a stupid vote? why not silanah over the 15 others? We don't know do we? I know she isn't above me, i hope she isn't in my faction because rather than actually look for someone who is acting strange and weird, she points the finger at me for n o reason but the fact that i'm stirring things up a bit.

Osseric too, what help has he had other than come on and point the finger my way. Take all my posts away and this would just be utter thread death at the moment, if you think me captain then vote me, if you think me fm then vote me rather than sit back and wait until everyone else has voted and then just joining the majority, make up your own mind and vote for who you think is not on your faction and for your own reasons

And there is the idiocy of your logic you dumbass. You have as much as admitted you arent on Team Z who is down. The chances of me being on the 3 person team is slim. So you are basically basing your vote on a coin flip of whether I am on your team or not because I posted 2 times yestersday on a day when my RL didn't allow me to post? If you are as low as you say you are, no one is going to vote with you for fear of hitting someone on their own team and because no one else knows who you are. Sure you are stirring the pot, but you are likely as not to hurt your own team as you are to hurt your opposition. With your reckless play style and lack of regard for how it could affect your team I sure hope you aren't on my team.

well i'm not on team z if that is fm you idiot, i haven't let on what faction i'm in, where has that come from, see you just full of lies, why are you lying, why can't you look elsewhere? Because I have a vote on you that's why, your blinded by your own stupidity!!

huh? I haven't placed a vote yet. Who says I am not looking elsewhere? There is a 50/50 chance you are on my team. I am taking that into account when placing my vote. So whose the stupid one? The one who is making a logical decision, or the one who is posibbly voting for his own team and shitting on the thread with crass name calling and blatant lies?

take the moral high ground why don't you and then kick the stool from underneath yourself. 50 50 chance? how do you work that one out? now are you saying that your on the team with 6 players is that what you are saying, are you taking a gamble there, you just outed me for saying i'm not on the small team and then said that, if you were on the small team then the odds that i'm on your team would be 2 out of 15. If you are on the team with 4 players then the odds would be 3 out of 15, 1 in 5, and then the big team, the one with 6 then it would be 5 out of 15 so 1 in 3, so where are you getting your odds from?

The 50/50 chance comment rings an alarm bell here. Either this was, as Barghast has mentioned, Sil just omitting the third faction from the math (and assume each is 1/3 of the participants), or Sil is part of the large group and recklessly rounded up his calculation, indicating ties with the larger faction.

Though Amp is going a little overboard with the language, I read his posts as frustrated. He is right in saying this place would be a dead thread without his..approach... I would like to hear what Sil has to say about the math error, rather than straight up believe barghast (though his point is valid). Barghast/Silanah working together is not too far a stretch from what I've read so far.

Barghast, on 01 March 2011 - 09:34 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

Silanah, on 01 March 2011 - 09:17 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 02:38 PM, said:

with Galayns vote, he probably knew tiamatha as the person above him so wanted to give an extra option, just because tiam turned out to be a life does not mean Galayn could not have been below him still.

my bet is that Galayn is also in the Zakalwe Faction but just a low life.

This is the post I am refering to Amp. You basically out GL as a Zakalwe. You wouldn't do that if you were also Zakalwe. Meaning you are either FM or one of the other 2 teams.

So what if I did, if I was captain or second of the same faction I would point this out wouldn't i? that distances myself from that group but alas every post I have posted has been due to something on thread, looking for irregularities. I don't care what you think, i think you are the one that is building your case on who the fm is when by your own logic that should be you because you are talking about it. My logic would be that someone important or with a power role would not draw attention to themselves and when they get attention they try and and build a case against that person, this is what i think you are doing, i think you are someone important within the game and i would like to see you lynched. I have put my vote on you because of the way you played over the last 36 hours, you're not doing anything to convinve me that you're not a high roled player and your pathetic attempts to target me only make me more suspicious of you. I am a life, i have nothing to lose what have you got to lose eh?

I really hope if you were a captain or second of Z that you wouldn't just randomly out a player of your faction to "distance" when no one else has even spoken of his alignment yet. [8)

This is a good point. What the hell is going on here? how could anyone make any speculation on which faction I belong to when I posted maybe twice yesterday. The comment about the captain distancing... that's a little weak, especially when I think it was Amp who mentioned that the captain doesn't know his own team (I'll have to find the post). I agree with Barghast that Amp is making little to no sense.

Amp is an odd case. Either he is making too many waves to be a higher up, or he is making huge mistakes as a leader.

[Galayn Lord]

Here's the post

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 08:52 PM, said:

Korabas, on 01 March 2011 - 08:42 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 March 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

Liosan, on 01 March 2011 - 02:23 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 March 2011 - 02:02 PM, said:

Sorry guys was very busy today and my internet decided to fuck up as well, so haven't been able to get on for yonks. Finally got it working though.

That Tiam lynch was...interesting. Was a veritable pile-on after the first couple of votes, and for not much of a reason that I could see *shrugs*. That avatar-switch-FM thing was utterly ludicrous as well, could be construed as over-zealousness, i.e. FM trying to throw suspicion off on others.

Also, you're naked Sorrit.

The mechanics of this game makes it very suspectible to pile-ons as you term them. It also makes people seemingly unwilling to vote, which is understandable. It's nice to see you turn up, but now I dunnow what to do

Hmm, that's true, I guess I was expecting people to be more circumspect with throwing their vote around, as you only get one and lynching blindly gives a ~1/3 chance of hitting a teammate. Looking back it seems the primary motives from about vote 3 was to cash in for some chips? Still dunno why Tiam was picked by Korabas though, seems as though he picked him out of a hat.

Yes my vote was entirely random. I wasn't joking about flipping the coin. I felt fairly confident that a purely random coin flip wouldn't take out one of the two main members of my faction. Though you are right that I could have taken out one of my teammates. But who would reveal which faction they are in? As soon as you do then roughly 2/3 of the remaining players would be gunning for you. They only way people would be willing to reveal which faction they are in is when one faction has more players then the other two combined. At that point they would control the voting block. A fake reveal wouldn't fly either at that stage because the captain would know exactly who is on their team and would know if someone if lying. I just didn't see any way to get information about anyone other than a purely random shot in the dark.

The captains do not know who is in their team, I asked the mods. They do not know who is on their team. At the moment, the faction count is 3 6 and 4 so it is close to being the majority already. However, if the captain loses a bet then one of the other factions can recruit from their team which means this is not as cut and dry as one would seem

So I guess claiming that if you were leader, throwing me in with a random faction to distance yourself from that faction doesn't quite make sense. To me at least. Maybe I am reading it wrong? I'll go over it once more.

[Silanah]

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2011 - 09:56 PM, said:

The 50/50 chance comment rings an alarm bell here. Either this was, as Barghast has mentioned, Sil just omitting the third faction from the math (and assume each is 1/3 of the participants), or Sil is part of the large group and recklessly rounded up his calculation, indicating ties with the larger faction.

I did discount the FM. I was strictly speaking of faction. I didn't do this unintentionally. Amp is arguing like he is not the FM. I ceded that to him at this point in the argument because because really... no one is going to admit it. So i was arguing his logic based upon the assumption that he is what he says he is...a faction member. eliminate Team Z as he made it clear he wasn't part of team Z and and he is basically flipping a coin . It was rough calculation and it did take him at his word that he wasn't a FM( which I am not convinced of) . But it got my point across.. That Ampleas has zero regard for his team atm ( if he even has one). For all he knows I could be on his team yet he doggedly comes after me with blinders on. Pretty bad play on his part imo if he really is part of a faction.

[Sorrit]

How would any of us know who on who's team as yet? Unless some of you have been picking up on the subtle clues I've been leaving in my messages.

I'm in your faction mate, go get them!

[Osseric]

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 08:52 PM, said:

Korabas, on 01 March 2011 - 08:42 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 March 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

Liosan, on 01 March 2011 - 02:23 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 March 2011 - 02:02 PM, said:

Sorry guys was very busy today and my internet decided to fuck up as well, so haven't been able to get on for yonks. Finally got it working though.

That Tiam lynch was...interesting. Was a veritable pile-on after the first couple of votes, and for not much of a reason that I could see *shrugs*. That avatar-switch-FM thing was utterly ludicrous as well, could be construed as over-zealousness, i.e. FM trying to throw suspicion off on others.

Also, you're naked Sorrit.

The mechanics of this game makes it very suspectible to pile-ons as you term them. It also makes people seemingly unwilling to vote, which is understandable. It's nice to see you turn up, but now I dunnow what to do

Hmm, that's true, I guess I was expecting people to be more circumspect with throwing their vote around, as you only get one and lynching blindly gives a ~1/3 chance of hitting a teammate. Looking back it seems the primary motives from about vote 3 was to cash in for some chips? Still dunno why Tiam was picked by Korabas though, seems as though he picked him out of a hat.

Yes my vote was entirely random. I wasn't joking about flipping the coin. I felt fairly confident that a purely random coin flip wouldn't take out one of the two main members of my faction. Though you are right that I could have taken out one of my teammates. But who would reveal which faction they are in? As soon as you do then roughly 2/3 of the remaining players would be gunning for you. They only way people would be willing to reveal which faction they are in is when one faction has more players then the other two combined. At that point they would control the voting block. A fake reveal wouldn't fly either at that stage because the captain would know exactly who is on their team and would know if someone if lying. I just didn't see any way to get information about anyone other than a purely random shot in the dark.

The captains do not know who is in their team, I asked the mods. They do not know who is on their team. At the moment, the faction count is 3 6 and 4 so it is close to being the majority already. However, if the captain loses a bet then one of the other factions can recruit from their team which means this is not as cut and dry as one would seem

errr..... wat?
I thiught we lost 1 person?

[Silanah]

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

you're not doing anything to convinve me that you're not a high roled player and your pathetic attempts to target me only make me more suspicious of you. I am a life, i have nothing to lose what have you got to lose eh?

lol are you really this stupid amp?? please tell me you are dumbing yourself down so that you can more easily hide when you jump bodies. You keep refering to me as targeting you... I HAVEN'T PLACED A VOTE how am I targeting you??? I said your actions looked suspicious. If thats the definition of targeting someone, then you better have a thicker mafia skin than this or just quit playing. I am a life as well, but I do have a game to lose and I am not going to let someone that may be on my team who is acting like a baboon dictate where I place my vote. The fact that you cant just throw your vote around so willy nilly speaks volumes there buddy.


ok, really i am done with Amp now.

[Osseric]

I really need o re-read the whole hread


this "read up in small chunks" thing is not working out. esp not going on 3.5 h of sleep...


i'll be back once I read over everythign.

[Silanah]

Osseric, on 01 March 2011 - 10:56 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 08:52 PM, said:

Korabas, on 01 March 2011 - 08:42 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 March 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

Liosan, on 01 March 2011 - 02:23 PM, said:

Fener, on 01 March 2011 - 02:02 PM, said:

Sorry guys was very busy today and my internet decided to fuck up as well, so haven't been able to get on for yonks. Finally got it working though.

That Tiam lynch was...interesting. Was a veritable pile-on after the first couple of votes, and for not much of a reason that I could see *shrugs*. That avatar-switch-FM thing was utterly ludicrous as well, could be construed as over-zealousness, i.e. FM trying to throw suspicion off on others.

Also, you're naked Sorrit.

The mechanics of this game makes it very suspectible to pile-ons as you term them. It also makes people seemingly unwilling to vote, which is understandable. It's nice to see you turn up, but now I dunnow what to do

Hmm, that's true, I guess I was expecting people to be more circumspect with throwing their vote around, as you only get one and lynching blindly gives a ~1/3 chance of hitting a teammate. Looking back it seems the primary motives from about vote 3 was to cash in for some chips? Still dunno why Tiam was picked by Korabas though, seems as though he picked him out of a hat.

Yes my vote was entirely random. I wasn't joking about flipping the coin. I felt fairly confident that a purely random coin flip wouldn't take out one of the two main members of my faction. Though you are right that I could have taken out one of my teammates. But who would reveal which faction they are in? As soon as you do then roughly 2/3 of the remaining players would be gunning for you. They only way people would be willing to reveal which faction they are in is when one faction has more players then the other two combined. At that point they would control the voting block. A fake reveal wouldn't fly either at that stage because the captain would know exactly who is on their team and would know if someone if lying. I just didn't see any way to get information about anyone other than a purely random shot in the dark.

The captains do not know who is in their team, I asked the mods. They do not know who is on their team. At the moment, the faction count is 3 6 and 4 so it is close to being the majority already. However, if the captain loses a bet then one of the other factions can recruit from their team which means this is not as cut and dry as one would seem

errr..... wat?
I thiught we lost 1 person?

We lost Tellan and Tiamatha. Both of team Z.

[Rashan]

I have just read up. I don't get why there's all this butthurt between Silanah and Amp. Given their back and forth, I'm inclined to think neither of them are particularily important in their faction, unless Amp is really playing at ballsy leader.

[Silanah]

Sorrit, on 01 March 2011 - 10:53 PM, said:

How would any of us know who on who's team as yet? Unless some of you have been picking up on the subtle clues I've been leaving in my messages.

I'm in your faction mate, go get them!

We don't know who is on whose team yet. We just know that Ampleas isn't on Team Zwele;rjkehfjbfr ( whatever the Z name is). I posted the quote on the last page. He slipped and basically outed Gaylord as a Team Z lowbie. (Which may or may not be true) but the fact that he was attempting to place GL on Team Z, and pointing it out for everyone on thread, makes it almost certain that he himself isn't on team Z as why would he try to out one of his own team when they are precariously low on numbers. He messed up and now is trying to make up for it by being really loud and swearing a lot in the hopes that we forget

[Hood's Path]

Here I come to save the Day!

Now I have been a thinking about the going ons of our dear friend ampelas and the various factions and what not. Now it seems to me that conjecture is a mighty powerful tool. One that has been used to it's fullest in this here game that we are engaged in. But personally I like to look at facts and figures. It is a fact that female collage students have good figures (for the most part) and that I like to look. But I digress.

Back to the game at hand. I see three facts before me. One people have talked about that being the fact of the size of the various factions, the other fact that people have talked about being the probability of there being two FM in this game. However the fact that I find interesting is the fact that has to do with figures. Perceptibly the figures of credit that the various factions have. This being a betting mans game I am talking about how much mula them there captains have sitting in front of them. Now it seems to me that after the slaughter that went on with Zakalwe faction both during the day and at the table Zakalwe is going to be running a mite short of funds as it were. Shorter then either one of the other two factions.

Now how short I don't know but If I had to hazard a guess. I would say that Zakalwe is a trying and a hoping to get a lynch off before he bets. Other wise he might be betting his second and perhaps even his self. I would say that is probably the reason why we haven't seen the bets so far or the flop,turn, river posted yet.

Those are the facts of the game so far, all of this other nonsense is merely conjecture of the nastiness sort.

I say Lookit here son, I say son, did ya see that hawk after those hens? He scared 'em! That Rhode Island Red turned white. Then blue. Rhode Island. Red, white, and blue. That's a joke, son. A flag waver.

[Hood's Path]

Now am I ah correct in thinking that that there has only been one vote allll day long, aand that vote ah had no ah wager placed on it. That is another fact that I had forgotten about. Please forgive me my friends. There are times when the ah zeal gets the better of me.

[Hood's Path]

Well now really this is too much. I have short windows to post and what happens there is lots of yelling and ah name calling before I gets on. But as soon as I arrive nobody wants to ah talk to me. Well I say.

I know that I showered this morning so it isn't a matter of BO and I's chews the gum so my breath isn't horrible. Is it because I am the harbinger of death. Really that doesn't mean that I am a bad fella. Eys have feelings and wants just like other harbingers. I know for instance that the plague fellow is really quite nice and a decent fella to get a drink with.

[Osseric]

Hood, on 01 March 2011 - 01:57 AM, said:

Omtose, on 01 March 2011 - 01:54 AM, said:

Eight of Diamonds
Six of Spades
Two of Clubs
Eight of Spades
King of Hearts


possible winning hands in order, if i miss any please point it out

• four 8s, highly unlikly that someone has a pocket pair of 8's but you never know
• full house kings over 8's - again some one would have to have a pocket pair of kings
• full house 8's over kings/6's/2's -some one would need to have an 8 in there hold cards and one of the other 3 cards
• three of a kind 8's -an 8 in there hold cards with another random card, the higher the random card the better
• two pair - either a pocket pair in your hold cards or just having either a king a 6 or a 2 in your hold cards
• a pair of 8's + high cards

No I think that is all of them. I think that the top two are unlikely. Number 3 could happen.

reading back.
just tryign to get myself all figured out ( I had little sleep in tthe last 24 h , and i'm just getting the hang of the game now.

we missed the possibility of a low full house--with pocket 6s or, (best yet, in terms of hilarity), pocket 2s.


also, at this point, each captain's bet half their stack.

[Hood's Path]

Osseric, on 01 March 2011 - 11:24 PM, said:

Hood, on 01 March 2011 - 01:57 AM, said:

Omtose, on 01 March 2011 - 01:54 AM, said:

Eight of Diamonds
Six of Spades
Two of Clubs
Eight of Spades
King of Hearts


possible winning hands in order, if i miss any please point it out

• four 8s, highly unlikly that someone has a pocket pair of 8's but you never know
• full house kings over 8's - again some one would have to have a pocket pair of kings
• full house 8's over kings/6's/2's -some one would need to have an 8 in there hold cards and one of the other 3 cards
• three of a kind 8's -an 8 in there hold cards with another random card, the higher the random card the better
• two pair - either a pocket pair in your hold cards or just having either a king a 6 or a 2 in your hold cards
• a pair of 8's + high cards

No I think that is all of them. I think that the top two are unlikely. Number 3 could happen.

reading back.
just tryign to get myself all figured out ( I had little sleep in tthe last 24 h , and i'm just getting the hang of the game now.

we missed the possibility of a low full house--with pocket 6s or, (best yet, in terms of hilarity), pocket 2s.


also, at this point, each captain's bet half their stack.

Yes and I assume that the bets would have gone up from there. After all the end of hand scene was that the Janeroo fellow had a very high stack indeed.

[Osseric]

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 01 March 2011 - 03:11 PM, said:

Or Jernau becomes a target as the largest group, to keep things balanced.

Each Faction started like this

Captain (100 credits)
Second (50 credits)
Life (10 credits)
Life (10 credits)
Life (10 credits)

It is safe to say that Zakalwe now has 3 players left, one of these possibly being Galayn.

Kraiklyn now has 4 players as at the start of the day each captain bet a life

this life joins Jernau to give them 6 players

This also pops a thought into my head, if there are 17 players then there must be 2 FM's? Dibs states that there are 5 players in each faction and then his first post mentions that there are 17 players.

2 FM's, i'd never thought of that.

ok, stupid phone

I totally missed these important points.

[Hood's Path]

Well thats for that bit of interesting conversation Osseric. Unless you quickly have some more tidbit to fill me in about I am going to have to be a moseying along.

[Osseric]

Hood, on 01 March 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 03:31 PM, said:

It would increase our chances of getting one of them

i'm unsure, it obviously helps them because they can go after different players, but no one has been killed out of the ordinary as of yet, one lynch, one failed bet and one recruit, I would say that they will come into action tonight, the actions go like this

Guard -Find - Heal - Poison - Kill - Prepare - Replace

therefore a captain maybe able to guard and find maybe?

with the FM preparing on night one and then replacing on night two?

if there are 2 fms then we need to try and catch one today before they can infiltrate our factions

It may not affect the game early on but late on it will have a bigger effect

They probably won't know each other so they could go for the same player. It has happened before. From what I remember when that happened they canceled each other out and were forced to start all over again. If a Fm can't move on the second day it makes it very very hard for them to move at all. Players will be posting more and it will be harder for a fm to replace someone and not get found out.

no proabably. DiBs said no off-thread comms this game.
two independent FMs. and they proabably don't like each other.

[Hood's Path]

Osseric, on 01 March 2011 - 11:32 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 01 March 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 01 March 2011 - 03:11 PM, said:

Or Jernau becomes a target as the largest group, to keep things balanced.

Each Faction started like this

Captain (100 credits)
Second (50 credits)
Life (10 credits)
Life (10 credits)
Life (10 credits)

It is safe to say that Zakalwe now has 3 players left, one of these possibly being Galayn.

Kraiklyn now has 4 players as at the start of the day each captain bet a life

this life joins Jernau to give them 6 players

This also pops a thought into my head, if there are 17 players then there must be 2 FM's? Dibs states that there are 5 players in each faction and then his first post mentions that there are 17 players.

2 FM's, i'd never thought of that.

ok, stupid phone

I totally missed these important points.

It's ok there poor fellow were are here to help you clarify your understanding.

[Silanah]

Hood, on 01 March 2011 - 11:06 PM, said:

Back to the game at hand. I see three facts before me. One people have talked about that being the fact of the size of the various factions, the other fact that people have talked about being the probability of there being two FM in this game. However the fact that I find interesting is the fact that has to do with figures. Perceptibly the figures of credit that the various factions have. This being a betting mans game I am talking about how much mula them there captains have sitting in front of them. Now it seems to me that after the slaughter that went on with Zakalwe faction both during the day and at the table Zakalwe is going to be running a mite short of funds as it were. Shorter then either one of the other two factions.

Now how short I don't know but If I had to hazard a guess. I would say that Zakalwe is a trying and a hoping to get a lynch off before he bets. Other wise he might be betting his second and perhaps even his self. I would say that is probably the reason why we haven't seen the bets so far or the flop,turn, river posted yet.

Interesting point here. It would explain why we haven't seen a flop yet.