[gwlaw99]

Why can Karsa shug off Tiste Edur magic when the Edur mage in the boat attacks him. We know he rubs otataral on his skin, but that does not have any effect on elder magic.

[Aptorian]

Karsa does not believe that magic can stop him and so it doesn't. Mind over magic. Also he has warrens and stuff.

[Luzburg]

Basically you need to read on to find out the full reveal. Midnight Tides explains who is the Edur master and The Bonehunters will mention why the Edur's warren is vulnerable to Otataral.

If you don't mind slight spoilers:

Spoiler

The cripped god is the edur's new god, his house is part of the Deck of Dragons now. Kurald Emurlahn is shattered and riven through with the human shadow warren, that is mentioned by Shaik. Also, this isn't such a spoiler but Karsa may just be a warren unto himself and therfore a force that can resist elder magic.

[Roldom]

if kurald emhurlahn was whole, it would ignore otataral, but because its a weakend warren otataral pisses all over it

[King-of-Chains]

And if you're wondering where the otartaral is coming from, well there's a vein of it in the Teblor homeland which they use to make blood oil from.

[rhulad]

Karsa is too much of a badass for magic to have any effect on him. Also, the blood oil that he ingests.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Clockwork Apt, on 23 February 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:

Karsa does not believe that magic can stop him and so it doesn't. Mind over magic. Also he has warrens and stuff.

Not this again. I thought it was discussed before. The comment Aramala makes " Ignorance honed in a weapon" refeers to him not knowing what would happen if he lifted the stone , thus not caring, thus doing it anyway.

It's Karsa's personal warren and the otataral he ingested as blood-oil that makes him resilient to magic. As Heboric told Shaik KE is a shattered warren contamined by Rashan and Meanas and so vulnerable to magic.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 25 February 2011 - 02:07 PM, said:

Clockwork Apt, on 23 February 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:

Karsa does not believe that magic can stop him and so it doesn't. Mind over magic. Also he has warrens and stuff.

Not this again. I thought it was discussed before. The comment Aramala makes " Ignorance honed in a weapon" refers to him not knowing what would happen if he lifted the stone , thus not caring, thus doing it anyway.

It's Karsa's personal warren and the otataral he ingested as blood-oil that makes him resilient to magic. As Heboric told Shaik KE is a shattered warren contamined by Rashan and Meanas and so vulnerable to magic.

[Aptorian]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 25 February 2011 - 02:07 PM, said:

Clockwork Apt, on 23 February 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:

Karsa does not believe that magic can stop him and so it doesn't. Mind over magic. Also he has warrens and stuff.

Not this again. I thought it was discussed before. The comment Aramala makes " Ignorance honed in a weapon" refeers to him not knowing what would happen if he lifted the stone , thus not caring, thus doing it anyway.

It's Karsa's personal warren and the otataral he ingested as blood-oil that makes him resilient to magic. As Heboric told Shaik KE is a shattered warren contamined by Rashan and Meanas and so vulnerable to magic.

Call it a personal warren or call it the power of unbelief. Same difference.

[Illuyankas]

No, it's a personal warren forming his Fuck You field. It doesn't spontaneously vanish when he encounters someone obviously using magic on him.

[Luzburg]

Illuyankas, on 25 February 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

No, it's a personal warren forming his Fuck You field. It doesn't spontaneously vanish when he encounters someone obviously using magic on him.

I'm pretty sure that it is said, after Karsa confronts the Edur. That the warren of the Toblakai was one of those unleashed on the ship. So if someone could find that passage, then we have confirmation.

[Beezulbubba]

^^^ About midpoint of Ch. 3 (HOC, Tor edition, starting at the bottom of pg. 206)

Quote

Two steps down, into a wide galley with a wooden table in its centre. A second doorway at the opposite end, a narrow passage beyond, lined by berths, then an ornate door that squealed as Karsa shoved it aside.

Four attackers, a fury of blows exchanged, Karsa blocking with the harpoon and counter-attacking with the bloodsword. In moments, four broken bodies dying on the cabin's gleaming wooden floor. A fifth figure, seated in a chair on the other side of the room, hands raised, sorcery swirling into the air.

With a snarl, Karsa surged forward. The magic flashed, sputtered, then the harpoon's point punched into the figure's chest, tore through and drove into the chair's wood backing. A look of disbelief frozen on the grey face, eyes locking with Karsa's own one last time, before all life left them.

'Urugal! Witness a Teblor's rage!'

Silence following his ringing words, then the slow pat of blood dripping from the sorcerer's chair onto the rug. Something cold rippled through Karsa, the breath of someone unknown, nameless, but filled with rage. Growling, he shrugged it off, then looked around. High-ceilinged for lowlanders, the ship's cabin was all of the same black wood. Oil lanterns glimmered from sconces on the walls. On the table were maps and charts, the drawings on them illegible as far as the Teblor was concerned.

[Luzburg]

Fartstad Stinkhammer, on 25 February 2011 - 11:21 PM, said:

^^^ About midpoint of Ch. 3 (HOC, Tor edition, starting at the bottom of pg. 206)

Quote

Two steps down, into a wide galley with a wooden table in its centre. A second doorway at the opposite end, a narrow passage beyond, lined by berths, then an ornate door that squealed as Karsa shoved it aside.

Four attackers, a fury of blows exchanged, Karsa blocking with the harpoon and counter-attacking with the bloodsword. In moments, four broken bodies dying on the cabin's gleaming wooden floor. A fifth figure, seated in a chair on the other side of the room, hands raised, sorcery swirling into the air.

With a snarl, Karsa surged forward. The magic flashed, sputtered, then the harpoon's point punched into the figure's chest, tore through and drove into the chair's wood backing. A look of disbelief frozen on the grey face, eyes locking with Karsa's own one last time, before all life left them.

'Urugal! Witness a Teblor's rage!'

Silence following his ringing words, then the slow pat of blood dripping from the sorcerer's chair onto the rug. Something cold rippled through Karsa, the breath of someone unknown, nameless, but filled with rage. Growling, he shrugged it off, then looked around. High-ceilinged for lowlanders, the ship's cabin was all of the same black wood. Oil lanterns glimmered from sconces on the walls. On the table were maps and charts, the drawings on them illegible as far as the Teblor was concerned.

Hmmmm..... reading that it remains possible that the Crippled God might just have decided to spare Karsa over the as of this book, unnamed mage.

But, the quote I mean is probably actually earlier since Karsa appears in earlier books.

I reckon it must have been Kulp who mentioned a Toblakai warren.

[Roldom]

wasnt it either kulp or the imass bonecaster who meet up on the silanda who mentions a list of warren residues and that toblakai was one of them?

[HoosierDaddy]

Roldom, on 26 February 2011 - 01:54 AM, said:

wasnt it either kulp or the imass bonecaster who meet up on the silanda who mentions a list of warren residues and that toblakai was one of them?

Yes, this is the case. Thus, it's Karsa's warren that makes him impervious. What other effect could have had a cause on that ship that would be Toblakai magic?

[Roldom]

doesnt mean thats what made him impervious, just that it was in effect. if you carry a radio active isotope, you will leave a trace where ever you go. doesnt mean that it does anything good for you

I lean in favour of the Otataral in the blood oil theory joined with the fact KE is a piss poor warren

[HoosierDaddy]

So, what did the Toblakai warren accomplish? Would a residue be left behind if there was no use of it?

[Roldom]

it just emanates from him, maybe when he gets violent it increases his abilities ( he was considered talented even for the other telbor, and that was before he went on his fantastical voyage)

without some information about other toblakai get attacked by magic and who dont use blood oil we wont know for sure

[HoosierDaddy]

The point I'm making is that you don't include a shotgun on the shelf in the description of the room when you are telling the story unless you plan to use it.

[Roldom]

your right, but you dont use a sawn off shotgun to block bullets

theres nothing that proves that karsa uses his innate warren to block other magic, and it seams unlikly that he has blood oil for the younger warrens and his own personal toblakai anti elder warren