[Mentalist]

back. Felt like shit yest, so slept in today.


caught up now, though.

so, Tapper was inno. scratch that theory. note to self: do not approach SH in any way shape or form.


That leaves me as your likeliest suspect. if so, i'll echo DiBs' pessimism.

I'd also like to apologize to ainsible for my post being condescending--I wasn't in the best mood, and I often don't explain the logical (or illogical) leaps my mind makes.


now, as for the issue that's been troubling DiBs all game: my perpetual defensiveness. I suppose that stems from a diff. understanding of defense. in my mind (albeit, I could very well be wrong), it was more of dismantling weak cases. I don't like weak cases. I think that if we leave them around, they can distract us from looking for actual scum. I suppose I should just learn to ignore them and lurk, but, alas, this wek I actually have time on my hands to play. so I don't mind spending it to try to encouarage people to make better cases.


also, a final note: if my numbers re: scum to town are wrong, and it was actually 13:4 to start, then 2 kills a day sounds even more ludicrous, from a game design PoV.

[Mentalist]

Ace Hunter, on 24 February 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

I feel like we're two steps behind the killer(s). Really, I have nothing to go on. Another day like yesterday will see the town in smoking ruin

See, this is what is irks me most about your entire game, HO. Everyone sympathises with the fact that you are confused at what is going on. Hell, we all are. We're all scratching our heads trying to figure out things like why we had one kill on Day 1 and then three kills on Day 2. The thing is though, we're just as in the dark in every game about what's going on behind the scenes, and it's especially bad when you have 17 players. That's no real excuse for throwing up your hands and saying 'I have no idea' and making vague pronouncements of doom if we don't get our act together though.

I don't need sympathy, just comprehension - I've never thrown up a single hand in defeat, and there are others with their pronouncements of doom, so why am I wrong?

You say you think we're two steps behind the killer(s). Ok fine, I think we can all agree that possibly six innos dead to no scum after two days' play is pretty bad. What are you doing about it though? You come out with posts asking us what we should do, why we find people suspicious, which is all well and good, but yet you contribute nothing on top of that. I can't remember you commenting on a single case, even your own, despite repeated requests to do so. I'm working on that now I hope this doesn't come off as arrogantly condescending Just a little bit as Ment's earlier post to ansible did, but there's plenty of people who are under suspicion for being killers, and others have given reason for that. Up to now you've pretty much been following everyone's lead, your vote for the Dude being case in point. Who do you think the killers are though? What's your opinion of people's play? Tapper's got a lot of questions to answer, Shin's looking fairly suspicious, and so is Ment. I believe some people are expressing concern over DiBs. You must have an opinion on them, as you've been reading the thread, we'd just like to hear what that opinion is. A more paranoid player than myself might think your confusion and lack of offering an opinion is an act to fly under the radar, after all. Glad you're not paranoid, I guess

Red letters are mine



You seem to be defending Mentalist here.

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

Hmm, I've noticed ansible has quite the hard-on for Ment.

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:

I just looked at the first several pages and most of those who voted for Mentalist are dead.

I dunno, Ace Hunter is still alive, ansible is still alive and the Dude was lynched. So of his original train you only have Silencer getting killed, and I suppose you could count PB in there as well, since he fingered Ment as one of his top suspects along with Silencer. I don't remember Roldom or Vengeance voting for Mentalist in any serious capacity.

Ok, I should have said "some" instead of "most" - But all the dead ones were inno, right? Vengeance did vote for Mentalist, during the time of endless joke votes, so who knows?
And I wish I knew who survived that last attempt.
EDIT: added last sentence

It could be that Mentalist is somehow influencing others to vote off people. I'm listing off his votes:

Day 1:

Mentalist, on 21 February 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

Hey, all, I told you I won't be on till noon.
so what if it's almost 2? I have a week off.
now, since i'm not dead yet, Vengy is not a killer.
SInce the Dude voted me, HE's not a killer either.
this leaves Silencer as the most likely scum. he's being way too smooth and not making any waves whatsoever.
vote silencer

Initially this was a joke vote, though he later says:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

Ok, reading up, it would appear obvious that Silencer is a symp. now, who the hell is he symping?

He also follows up his reason by saying my vote is cause for action:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

hey, i'm back (the girl actually had a shopping list this time, so it didn't take that long)
seems a lot of things are happening. our primary targets appear to be Silencer and tattersail. of the two, I'd be inclined to vote off silencer today. Why, you may ask?
for this:

Ace Hunter, on 22 February 2011 - 10:54 AM, said:

Vote Mentalist
Don't like his comments earlier in the day. Now I'm off to bed.

now, if that's not a "i'm a lazy scum, so i'll just vote where other scum are voting" type of vote, I don't know what is.
At that point, the only people voting me were the Dude and Silencer., both joke/OMGUS votes. oh, and ainsible, who though I was symping Venge, but doesn't think so anymore.
if my vote wasn't already on Silencer, it would be now.

Afterwards though he changes his vote to get Tattersail because of the day ending:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:27 PM, said:

igmeoy, Ace.
however.
remove vote
vote tattersail
for now. i'm also a bit vary of him thinking my train was a viable alternative. this is by no means set in stone, though

It is later noted that he mentions Mafia 101:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:

sigh
mafia 101
if you find someone yo think is a symp, look for who he's symping, then vote THAT person.
you ONLY vote the symp if you have absolutely nothing better--because, 9 times out of 10, the person you think is a symp will be RI. and since they CF the same, you'll never know.
also, TS, don't be surprised if you end up temp banned. just e-mail one of the other admins to get that sorted our,

Here he technically contradicts himself with his initial vote of Silencer, by saying to vote the master, not the symp. Yet he still went for Silencer, even though he initially thought Silencer was a symp.

Mentalist, on 23 February 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Vote The Dude.


Based on gut, certainly not enough to make a case, but there is way too much I don't like about the way you play right now. Here's the list of what I dislike and sets my scumdar off.

First there was the rather convenient leaving out of Roldom on your thoughts post. Guess who is killed? Roldom. OK, you might be framed, but hey, so what.

Second, you try to lend some weight to Venges kill. No problems in itself there, but hey.

Third, you go after people early on the Tatts train of yesterday. Now, thanks to the massive amount of discussion on whether or not it deserved to be a lynch, that was the only truly meaningful train. But you don't try and distill much from it, do you? Just looking at who was the earliest non-joke vote and tying it to your own gut (see point 1).

If we look where your vote was... well, it was on the Silencer may be a symp train. Which, as we all agree, even if he was a symp, would have given us a CF of inno and nothing more to work with.

I agree to a certain extent with dibs on the fearmongering you've done.
There is just too much stuff in your posts that makes you look like you want to smell of roses, and by the two targets you went for, it seems you might well try to steer everyone into happy town by lynching one of the culprits for yesterdays lynch of an inno without being too picky about who gets lynched, either.

Sure, dibs is a threat whenever he plays, and sure, Shin fucked up on an accusation against you. But the two combined... I'm starting to feel there is more to it than simply wanting to call attention to two people.

thats a quick agressive leap there, taps. is he getting close to your masters?

I htink the Dude may have hit a nerve here.
vote Shinrei

to see wherethis goes.

Here he votes Shinrei, even though he was quoting Tapper's vote on The Dude. Later on, Tapper also mentions it and says:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 10:06 PM, said:

Also, the masters comment you made there can cut two ways. Why the fuck are you defending him after there is just 1 vote on him?

So, the results of Mentalist's votes are:

Day 1:
Vote Silencer (later killed and CF as Lu Dynasty)
Change Vote to Tattersail (lynched and CF as Lu Dynasty)

Day 2:
Vote Shinrei(not dead)

Not sure how to phrase my next words, but I can definitely say Mentalist seems too unconcerned to me. He says IGMEOY to me, but doesn't notice my later posts at all. As if my words don't matter. So:

Vote Mentalist

I will be out again, no rest for the weary

well, to be honest, Grief followed up on you nicely. I saw that Day 2 you went into "mute mode", and that's somehting no scum could really afford to do, imho, so, I dismissed you.

as for me being unconcerned.... why the hell should I be? i'm RI, meaning, my job is to stir shit up, make myself look important and attract the scum's attention, either via NK, or via their participation in my lynch. my death is inconsequential, so I play it that way.

also, way to misrepresent bot my vote on silencer AND my vote on Shin, lmao.

[Mentalist]

Now, just for the hell of it, I'll bring the thread's attention to the fact that my next suspect for scum would be Grief. I'm curious to hear DiB's opinion on him.

for being a fairly prolific poster, Grief has certainly been careful not to ruffle anyone's feathers all game. the only case he made, that I can remember off the top of my head, was on Acehunter yesterday. and he quite quickly abandoned it. Around lynch time, I sensed a certain amount of drive from him.

i'll need a re-read to get quotes and such, but he's been playing almost textbook up until now.


vote Grief

[Trull's son]

Alright, back from lunch, went through the whole thread. Here we go.

HiddenOne, on 23 February 2011 - 06:20 PM, said:

The Dude, on 23 February 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

The killer killed early in the day. That was a tactical mistake imo. Also the kill was Venge. I know WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM... but the quality and tactically placed kill day 1, followed by the odd early kill of Venge day 2 makes me think we have at least1 killer who is a Veteran. The Venge kill smacks of being a "kill between friends" Nothing you can use to base a case on. But it's there none the less

So now we're looking for 2 killers?

HO has quite a few posts like this. A simple question, an obvious answer, and an overall lack of speculation. Not really scummy, just strange I guess (maybe he didn't think the question through?)

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:36 AM, said:

Speculation:So the vig did Vengeance for unknown reasons and the killer did Silencer to get him out of the way? Silencer was getting voted yesterday, but not today, so he was an increasing risk to someone. Who was he sniffing after today the most?Or Vice versa, killer got Veng for unknown reasons and vig got Silencer because he seemed scummy somehow?Will the vig continue to strike randomly ? So we should focus on a killer. I think a lynch would be hard, considering there too few here to vote and time is short (as others have stated) Thoughts?

This is as far as HO's speculation has gone. spamming questions once more, but no sign of any realistic sympage or anything like that. I think HO is a new player, if i'm not mistaken. It would definitely explain the questions, and remove almost any implication of scumduggery.

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:53 AM, said:

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 02:48 AM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:45 AM, said:

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 02:40 AM, said:

With Hiddenone we'd have enough to lynch the dude.

Why the Dude?

The dude would need one less person online than shin, because of the people who had voted already, liz and ment had voted shin while only I had voted dude, and they had equal votes.

SO because there's little time for debate, some action is better than none, and it's all down to numbers?

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:58 AM, said:

Then I will Vote the Dude

HO often interacted with Grief. Not necessarily working together, but Grief often answered his questions. not too suspicious.

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 03:44 AM, said:

The Dude's reveal was too convenient for me - out of nowhere, then his next post throws a name, Why not the first time?Convinced me to stay where I am in the vote.

The Dude then reveals. Now here it gets a little suspicous. So far, in the few mafia games i've played in, we never NEVER ignored a reveal. no matter how late it came in. A reveal is often followed by a counter reveal (false, if made by scum), but do not ignore a reveal like this. It was a true reveal, as we found out when The Dude died.

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

I feel like we're two steps behind the killer(s). Really, I have nothing to go on. Another day like yesterday will see the town in smoking ruin

This post sort of saves his blunder. How was he to know The dude was innocent (though even if he came up as innocent, there was speculation that he could have been scum symp)? If he's new, than his actions are somewhat explainable. And HO is right. We had a horrid day.

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 04:30 PM, said:

Screw it, my instincts have been for crap about this whole game. Maybe if I go opposite I'll move in the right direction.

This post, makes sense in light of his other ones. It's easy to see his is frustrated by the turn of events, and even maybe his bad call on the Dude. Or he may be covering up for ignoring the dude's reveal. Though it is not a stretch to say that he may be sincere in his feelings.

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 05:21 PM, said:

ansible, on 24 February 2011 - 04:58 PM, said:

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

Hmm, I've noticed ansible has quite the hard-on for Ment.

Absolutely; I made a weak case against him early on Day 1 which he got defensive about. Most of my reasoning is in the case I posted a few pages back. He's been all over Tapper, who seems to be a roled inno. I wish he could have stuck around to give out some more info. If ment comes up innocent, then I've misread things and I'll admit it, but everything I can deduce is telling me he's scum. What are your thoughts on ment, anyway? You've been pretty noncommittal on most issues since The Dude's lynch and Tapper's reveal, but you've been posting a good amount. I'm interested to see what you think is happening.

Hasn't there only been one issue since the Dude's lynch? :laughing:At the moment I think Ment is the most suspicious among the high posters. He seems to be always excessively attacking those who even barely look at him. He lashes out unnecessarily at Ace Hunter for a single vote, even if it was baseless, and his rant against Ace Hunter was predicated on the fact Silencer had already voted him, thus making Silencer scum (?). Half the reason he votes Tattersial is because 'he thinks his[Ment's] train was a viable alternative', and he went after you fairly strongly with that whole Venge symping thing, and hasn't let up since.Among the low posters? Trull's son is my first pick, next is Lizra. Maybe even both.

I think there's a good chance both of these are scum. Lay back most ofthe time, come out of nowhere. Jump on easy targets or the bandwagon while sharpening knives. Both have attacked me with no cases whatsover.

This stood out, only for the fact that HO would accuse the low posters of sitting back, when based on every post he made -- very little speculation, and erroneous speculation at that -- he would be guilty of the same. A little hypocritical.

All in all, I would say that though there is something a little off about HO's participation, I wouldn't claim that it was overly scummy. There isn't much of a case to make on HO, and so I would wager that we should treat him as probably inno, at least until we have a little more to work with.

[Hugin & Munin]

Wang Can ran along the underground corridor, sandals flapping wildly. Escorted by the captain of his guard, he emerged three streets from the court. A passing squad of soldiers halted and reported that northern soldiers were assaulting the city from the west and north. Wang Can took charge of the soldiers and they headed for the south gate. As the gate came in sight, additional figures could be seen mounting onto the wall from the far side. Within moments the Lu soldiers had fallen and the gate was opened. Soldiers poured in around a mounted officer, the banners of the soldiers bearing the name Pang De. While the two armies clashed in the street Pang De galloped through the melee and reined in before Wang Can. Can turned to Pang De and said "Is this truly the-" and then his head fell from his shoulders while Pang De re-sheathed his sword.

MTS is dead. He was Wang Can, Governor of Tian Shui province (of Zhang Xiu's forces).

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 3. 12 hours and 32 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, Shinrei, Trull's son

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Grief ( Mentalist )
3 Votes for Mentalist ( ansible, dibs, Ace Hunter )

Players not voted: Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Shinrei, Trull's son

[Trull's son]

Ace Hunter, on 24 February 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

I feel like we're two steps behind the killer(s). Really, I have nothing to go on. Another day like yesterday will see the town in smoking ruin

See, this is what is irks me most about your entire game, HO. Everyone sympathises with the fact that you are confused at what is going on. Hell, we all are. We're all scratching our heads trying to figure out things like why we had one kill on Day 1 and then three kills on Day 2. The thing is though, we're just as in the dark in every game about what's going on behind the scenes, and it's especially bad when you have 17 players. That's no real excuse for throwing up your hands and saying 'I have no idea' and making vague pronouncements of doom if we don't get our act together though. I don't need sympathy, just comprehension - I've never thrown up a single hand in defeat, and there are others with their pronouncements of doom, so why am I wrong?You say you think we're two steps behind the killer(s). Ok fine, I think we can all agree that possibly six innos dead to no scum after two days' play is pretty bad. What are you doing about it though? You come out with posts asking us what we should do, why we find people suspicious, which is all well and good, but yet you contribute nothing on top of that. I can't remember you commenting on a single case, even your own, despite repeated requests to do so. I'm working on that now I hope this doesn't come off as arrogantly condescending Just a little bit as Ment's earlier post to ansible did, but there's plenty of people who are under suspicion for being killers, and others have given reason for that. Up to now you've pretty much been following everyone's lead, your vote for the Dude being case in point. Who do you think the killers are though? What's your opinion of people's play? Tapper's got a lot of questions to answer, Shin's looking fairly suspicious, and so is Ment. I believe some people are expressing concern over DiBs. You must have an opinion on them, as you've been reading the thread, we'd just like to hear what that opinion is. A more paranoid player than myself might think your confusion and lack of offering an opinion is an act to fly under the radar, after all. Glad you're not paranoid, I guess

Red letters are mineYou seem to be defending Mentalist here.

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

Hmm, I've noticed ansible has quite the hard-on for Ment.

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:

I just looked at the first several pages and most of those who voted for Mentalist are dead.

I dunno, Ace Hunter is still alive, ansible is still alive and the Dude was lynched. So of his original train you only have Silencer getting killed, and I suppose you could count PB in there as well, since he fingered Ment as one of his top suspects along with Silencer. I don't remember Roldom or Vengeance voting for Mentalist in any serious capacity.

Ok, I should have said "some" instead of "most" - But all the dead ones were inno, right? Vengeance did vote for Mentalist, during the time of endless joke votes, so who knows?And I wish I knew who survived that last attempt.EDIT: added last sentence

It could be that Mentalist is somehow influencing others to vote off people. I'm listing off his votes:Day 1:

Mentalist, on 21 February 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

Hey, all, I told you I won't be on till noon. so what if it's almost 2? I have a week off. now, since i'm not dead yet, Vengy is not a killer. SInce the Dude voted me, HE's not a killer either. this leaves Silencer as the most likely scum. he's being way too smooth and not making any waves whatsoever. vote silencer

Initially this was a joke vote, though he later says:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

Ok, reading up, it would appear obvious that Silencer is a symp. now, who the hell is he symping?

He also follows up his reason by saying my vote is cause for action:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

hey, i'm back (the girl actually had a shopping list this time, so it didn't take that long)seems a lot of things are happening. our primary targets appear to be Silencer and tattersail. of the two, I'd be inclined to vote off silencer today. Why, you may ask?for this:

Ace Hunter, on 22 February 2011 - 10:54 AM, said:

Vote MentalistDon't like his comments earlier in the day. Now I'm off to bed.

now, if that's not a "i'm a lazy scum, so i'll just vote where other scum are voting" type of vote, I don't know what is. At that point, the only people voting me were the Dude and Silencer., both joke/OMGUS votes. oh, and ainsible, who though I was symping Venge, but doesn't think so anymore. if my vote wasn't already on Silencer, it would be now.

Afterwards though he changes his vote to get Tattersail because of the day ending:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:27 PM, said:

igmeoy, Ace. however. remove vote vote tattersail for now. i'm also a bit vary of him thinking my train was a viable alternative. this is by no means set in stone, though

It is later noted that he mentions Mafia 101:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:

sighmafia 101if you find someone yo think is a symp, look for who he's symping, then vote THAT person. you ONLY vote the symp if you have absolutely nothing better--because, 9 times out of 10, the person you think is a symp will be RI. and since they CF the same, you'll never know. also, TS, don't be surprised if you end up temp banned. just e-mail one of the other admins to get that sorted our,

Here he technically contradicts himself with his initial vote of Silencer, by saying to vote the master, not the symp. Yet he still went for Silencer, even though he initially thought Silencer was a symp.

Mentalist, on 23 February 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Vote The Dude.Based on gut, certainly not enough to make a case, but there is way too much I don't like about the way you play right now. Here's the list of what I dislike and sets my scumdar off.First there was the rather convenient leaving out of Roldom on your thoughts post. Guess who is killed? Roldom. OK, you might be framed, but hey, so what.Second, you try to lend some weight to Venges kill. No problems in itself there, but hey.Third, you go after people early on the Tatts train of yesterday. Now, thanks to the massive amount of discussion on whether or not it deserved to be a lynch, that was the only truly meaningful train. But you don't try and distill much from it, do you? Just looking at who was the earliest non-joke vote and tying it to your own gut (see point 1). If we look where your vote was... well, it was on the Silencer may be a symp train. Which, as we all agree, even if he was a symp, would have given us a CF of inno and nothing more to work with.I agree to a certain extent with dibs on the fearmongering you've done.There is just too much stuff in your posts that makes you look like you want to smell of roses, and by the two targets you went for, it seems you might well try to steer everyone into happy town by lynching one of the culprits for yesterdays lynch of an inno without being too picky about who gets lynched, either.Sure, dibs is a threat whenever he plays, and sure, Shin fucked up on an accusation against you. But the two combined... I'm starting to feel there is more to it than simply wanting to call attention to two people.

thats a quick agressive leap there, taps. is he getting close to your masters?I htink the Dude may have hit a nerve here. vote Shinrei to see wherethis goes.

Here he votes Shinrei, even though he was quoting Tapper's vote on The Dude. Later on, Tapper also mentions it and says:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 10:06 PM, said:

Also, the masters comment you made there can cut two ways. Why the fuck are you defending him after there is just 1 vote on him?

So, the results of Mentalist's votes are:Day 1:Vote Silencer (later killed and CF as Lu Dynasty)Change Vote to Tattersail (lynched and CF as Lu Dynasty)Day 2:Vote Shinrei(not dead)Not sure how to phrase my next words, but I can definitely say Mentalist seems too unconcerned to me. He says IGMEOY to me, but doesn't notice my later posts at all. As if my words don't matter. So:Vote MentalistI will be out again, no rest for the weary

You know, I could see this. Ment does contradict himself, and votes for one that turned out inno. His push for Tapper and Shin should also be in question, as Tapper was revealed inno and Shin is probably inno also.

vote Mentalist

I'll leave a vote here for now. I'd rather not make the same mistake of not voting again.

We should put some focus on MTS' recent posts. I may do so after I get back.

I'll be out for a couple hours, hopefully I don't miss anything crazy.

[Mentalist]

Trull, on 24 February 2011 - 09:34 PM, said:

Ace Hunter, on 24 February 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 03:10 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

I feel like we're two steps behind the killer(s). Really, I have nothing to go on. Another day like yesterday will see the town in smoking ruin

See, this is what is irks me most about your entire game, HO. Everyone sympathises with the fact that you are confused at what is going on. Hell, we all are. We're all scratching our heads trying to figure out things like why we had one kill on Day 1 and then three kills on Day 2. The thing is though, we're just as in the dark in every game about what's going on behind the scenes, and it's especially bad when you have 17 players. That's no real excuse for throwing up your hands and saying 'I have no idea' and making vague pronouncements of doom if we don't get our act together though. I don't need sympathy, just comprehension - I've never thrown up a single hand in defeat, and there are others with their pronouncements of doom, so why am I wrong?You say you think we're two steps behind the killer(s). Ok fine, I think we can all agree that possibly six innos dead to no scum after two days' play is pretty bad. What are you doing about it though? You come out with posts asking us what we should do, why we find people suspicious, which is all well and good, but yet you contribute nothing on top of that. I can't remember you commenting on a single case, even your own, despite repeated requests to do so. I'm working on that now I hope this doesn't come off as arrogantly condescending Just a little bit as Ment's earlier post to ansible did, but there's plenty of people who are under suspicion for being killers, and others have given reason for that. Up to now you've pretty much been following everyone's lead, your vote for the Dude being case in point. Who do you think the killers are though? What's your opinion of people's play? Tapper's got a lot of questions to answer, Shin's looking fairly suspicious, and so is Ment. I believe some people are expressing concern over DiBs. You must have an opinion on them, as you've been reading the thread, we'd just like to hear what that opinion is. A more paranoid player than myself might think your confusion and lack of offering an opinion is an act to fly under the radar, after all. Glad you're not paranoid, I guess

Red letters are mineYou seem to be defending Mentalist here.

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

Hmm, I've noticed ansible has quite the hard-on for Ment.

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:

I just looked at the first several pages and most of those who voted for Mentalist are dead.

I dunno, Ace Hunter is still alive, ansible is still alive and the Dude was lynched. So of his original train you only have Silencer getting killed, and I suppose you could count PB in there as well, since he fingered Ment as one of his top suspects along with Silencer. I don't remember Roldom or Vengeance voting for Mentalist in any serious capacity.

Ok, I should have said "some" instead of "most" - But all the dead ones were inno, right? Vengeance did vote for Mentalist, during the time of endless joke votes, so who knows?And I wish I knew who survived that last attempt.EDIT: added last sentence

It could be that Mentalist is somehow influencing others to vote off people. I'm listing off his votes:Day 1:

Mentalist, on 21 February 2011 - 07:57 PM, said:

Hey, all, I told you I won't be on till noon. so what if it's almost 2? I have a week off. now, since i'm not dead yet, Vengy is not a killer. SInce the Dude voted me, HE's not a killer either. this leaves Silencer as the most likely scum. he's being way too smooth and not making any waves whatsoever. vote silencer

Initially this was a joke vote, though he later says:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 12:01 AM, said:

Ok, reading up, it would appear obvious that Silencer is a symp. now, who the hell is he symping?

He also follows up his reason by saying my vote is cause for action:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

hey, i'm back (the girl actually had a shopping list this time, so it didn't take that long)seems a lot of things are happening. our primary targets appear to be Silencer and tattersail. of the two, I'd be inclined to vote off silencer today. Why, you may ask?for this:

Ace Hunter, on 22 February 2011 - 10:54 AM, said:

Vote MentalistDon't like his comments earlier in the day. Now I'm off to bed.

now, if that's not a "i'm a lazy scum, so i'll just vote where other scum are voting" type of vote, I don't know what is. At that point, the only people voting me were the Dude and Silencer., both joke/OMGUS votes. oh, and ainsible, who though I was symping Venge, but doesn't think so anymore. if my vote wasn't already on Silencer, it would be now.

Afterwards though he changes his vote to get Tattersail because of the day ending:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:27 PM, said:

igmeoy, Ace. however. remove vote vote tattersail for now. i'm also a bit vary of him thinking my train was a viable alternative. this is by no means set in stone, though

It is later noted that he mentions Mafia 101:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:

sighmafia 101if you find someone yo think is a symp, look for who he's symping, then vote THAT person. you ONLY vote the symp if you have absolutely nothing better--because, 9 times out of 10, the person you think is a symp will be RI. and since they CF the same, you'll never know. also, TS, don't be surprised if you end up temp banned. just e-mail one of the other admins to get that sorted our,

Here he technically contradicts himself with his initial vote of Silencer, by saying to vote the master, not the symp. Yet he still went for Silencer, even though he initially thought Silencer was a symp.

Mentalist, on 23 February 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

Vote The Dude.Based on gut, certainly not enough to make a case, but there is way too much I don't like about the way you play right now. Here's the list of what I dislike and sets my scumdar off.First there was the rather convenient leaving out of Roldom on your thoughts post. Guess who is killed? Roldom. OK, you might be framed, but hey, so what.Second, you try to lend some weight to Venges kill. No problems in itself there, but hey.Third, you go after people early on the Tatts train of yesterday. Now, thanks to the massive amount of discussion on whether or not it deserved to be a lynch, that was the only truly meaningful train. But you don't try and distill much from it, do you? Just looking at who was the earliest non-joke vote and tying it to your own gut (see point 1). If we look where your vote was... well, it was on the Silencer may be a symp train. Which, as we all agree, even if he was a symp, would have given us a CF of inno and nothing more to work with.I agree to a certain extent with dibs on the fearmongering you've done.There is just too much stuff in your posts that makes you look like you want to smell of roses, and by the two targets you went for, it seems you might well try to steer everyone into happy town by lynching one of the culprits for yesterdays lynch of an inno without being too picky about who gets lynched, either.Sure, dibs is a threat whenever he plays, and sure, Shin fucked up on an accusation against you. But the two combined... I'm starting to feel there is more to it than simply wanting to call attention to two people.

thats a quick agressive leap there, taps. is he getting close to your masters?I htink the Dude may have hit a nerve here. vote Shinrei to see wherethis goes.

Here he votes Shinrei, even though he was quoting Tapper's vote on The Dude. Later on, Tapper also mentions it and says:

Tapper, on 23 February 2011 - 10:06 PM, said:

Also, the masters comment you made there can cut two ways. Why the fuck are you defending him after there is just 1 vote on him?

So, the results of Mentalist's votes are:Day 1:Vote Silencer (later killed and CF as Lu Dynasty)Change Vote to Tattersail (lynched and CF as Lu Dynasty)Day 2:Vote Shinrei(not dead)Not sure how to phrase my next words, but I can definitely say Mentalist seems too unconcerned to me. He says IGMEOY to me, but doesn't notice my later posts at all. As if my words don't matter. So:Vote MentalistI will be out again, no rest for the weary

You know, I could see this. Ment does contradict himself, and votes for one that turned out inno. His push for Tapper and Shin should also be in question, as Tapper was revealed inno and Shin is probably inno also.

vote Mentalist

I'll leave a vote here for now. I'd rather not make the same mistake of not voting again.

We should put some focus on MTS' recent posts. I may do so after I get back.

I'll be out for a couple hours, hopefully I don't miss anything crazy.

epic cross-post is epic?

also, this may, in fact, be D-day. tread carefully, people.

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 3. 12 hours and 10 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, Shinrei, Trull's son

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Grief ( Mentalist )
4 Votes for Mentalist ( ansible, dibs, Ace Hunter, Trull's son )

Players not voted: Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Shinrei

[ansible]

Silencer, on 23 February 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

hey, i'm back (the girl actually had a shopping list this time, so it didn't take that long)
seems a lot of things are happening. our primary targets appear to be Silencer and tattersail. of the two, I'd be inclined to vote off silencer today. Why, you may ask?

for this:

Ace Hunter, on 22 February 2011 - 10:54 AM, said:

Vote Mentalist

Don't like his comments earlier in the day. Now I'm off to bed.

now, if that's not a "i'm a lazy scum, so i'll just vote where other scum are voting" type of vote, I don't know what is.

At that point, the only people voting me were the Dude and Silencer., both joke/OMGUS votes. oh, and ainsible, who though I was symping Venge, but doesn't think so anymore.

if my vote wasn't already on Silencer, it would be now.

Can you elaborate on this, Ment? Ace's is a lazy scum vote, which makes me scum...but if that's the case he could also be a lazy scum voting with the joke votes because it's easy. Which means he is more likely to be scum...so why me?

Ment never responded to this. Silencer's dead now, too, so no reason for ment to go back to it. However, ment has been making multiple comments like this (even now):

Mentalist, on 23 February 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

no worries, I'm here most of the night.

incidentally, in response to Silencer's comment about the abrupt lack of Silencer attention.

the case on him was that he was a symp. if he is, he hasn't given his master away. and voting off a suspected symp is a last resort effort. and we're nowhere near that point yet.

He's said that his reasons for voting Silence have been misunderstood, but I think it's actually that he's just never gave very good reasons. Like I pointed out earlier, when justifying his votes, ment usually refers to someone ELSE'S posts instead of giving reasoning on why the person he voted is scum.

Also, I think the Dude was lying:

The Dude, on 24 February 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:

you guys are being silly. I am a RI General. Thats how I knew that Roldom was RI.if you think it will helpthe cause I will vote myself. But I have no role, take a look at tapper and shin when I am gone.

Yes, his reveal seemed to be true, but if he was a symp, wouldn't this be the case? He gives his name and claims RI, which is exactly what CF would show for a symp, correct? But Roldom wasn't RI, I think - Grand Administrator is the highest-sounding title so far, besides MTS's. It certainly sounds roled, anyway. And how would the Dude know he was RI? I suppose that could be part of his role but otherwise it's a strange claim, since we already had Roldom's CF. Seems like scum to me, and his alliance with ment doesn't help ment's protestations of innocence.

[Grief]

Mentalist, on 24 February 2011 - 09:14 PM, said:

Now, just for the hell of it, I'll bring the thread's attention to the fact that my next suspect for scum would be Grief. I'm curious to hear DiB's opinion on him.

for being a fairly prolific poster, Grief has certainly been careful not to ruffle anyone's feathers all game. the only case he made, that I can remember off the top of my head, was on Acehunter yesterday. and he quite quickly abandoned it. Around lynch time, I sensed a certain amount of drive from him.

i'll need a re-read to get quotes and such, but he's been playing almost textbook up until now.


vote Grief

I disagree about "quickly abandoning it". I left it when it was obviously a waste of my vote because it was not a viable option. At that point, iirc, only one person had commented on it(you, saying you supported it, I believe).

As for driving near lynch time, I am a strong advocate of the argument that a lynch is better than none. As you put it "a no lynch is in the cards, imo, and the timong would be pretty horrible for it."

I also disagree about not ruffling feathers. While I haven't been in any pissing contests, I have still put my opinion out on thread on the important issues, and backed it with my vote. It is not my fault if others do not attack me over my reasoning as they do others.

I accept that I haven't had much attention this game, but you seem to be accusing me of coasting, which is not the case.

[ansible]

Hugin & Munin, on 24 February 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

In the court at Tian Shui, black-clothed assassins balanced above rafters and hid behind tapestries. In strode a tall, grizzled man garbed in silks and followed by dozens of guards and notaries. The assassins emerged with portable arbalests (Cho Ko Nu) and fired upon the group from all sides. Most of the party fell immediately and the few remaining guards charged the assassins. The assassins quickly dispatched the remaining guard. They turned to finish off the official,only to see the captain of his guards ushering him into a secret escape hatch in the floor.

Hugin & Munin, on 24 February 2011 - 09:19 PM, said:

Wang Can ran along the underground corridor, sandals flapping wildly. Escorted by the captain of his guard, he emerged three streets from the court. A passing squad of soldiers halted and reported that northern soldiers were assaulting the city from the west and north. Wang Can took charge of the soldiers and they headed for the south gate. As the gate came in sight, additional figures could be seen mounting onto the wall from the far side. Within moments the Lu soldiers had fallen and the gate was opened. Soldiers poured in around a mounted officer, the banners of the soldiers bearing the name Pang De. While the two armies clashed in the street Pang De galloped through the melee and reined in before Wang Can. Can turned to Pang De and said "Is this truly the-" and then his head fell from his shoulders while Pang De re-sheathed his sword.

MTS is dead. He was Wang Can, Governor of Tian Shui province (of Zhang Xiu's forces).

If I had to guess, it looks like MTS is the one who survived the first kill attempt today (if the scenes do contain relevant info). That means a guard or BP saved him, and then when he didn't die the second killer targeted him (which would mean this kill couldn't be scheduled, since they didn't know if the first kill would go through). And coincidentally, MTS died just as mentalist returned and started posting.

Not a lot of evidence, but with ment at L-1... The problem is, if we're wrong, and a symp hasn't died so far, ending with a lynch leaves town immediately vulnerable to 2 kills for Day 4. With only 8 people left and probably at least 4 scum we would be fucked at that point.

[Mentalist]

ansible, on 24 February 2011 - 09:49 PM, said:

Silencer, on 23 February 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 22 February 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

hey, i'm back (the girl actually had a shopping list this time, so it didn't take that long)
seems a lot of things are happening. our primary targets appear to be Silencer and tattersail. of the two, I'd be inclined to vote off silencer today. Why, you may ask?

for this:

Ace Hunter, on 22 February 2011 - 10:54 AM, said:

Vote Mentalist

Don't like his comments earlier in the day. Now I'm off to bed.

now, if that's not a "i'm a lazy scum, so i'll just vote where other scum are voting" type of vote, I don't know what is.

At that point, the only people voting me were the Dude and Silencer., both joke/OMGUS votes. oh, and ainsible, who though I was symping Venge, but doesn't think so anymore.

if my vote wasn't already on Silencer, it would be now.

Can you elaborate on this, Ment? Ace's is a lazy scum vote, which makes me scum...but if that's the case he could also be a lazy scum voting with the joke votes because it's easy. Which means he is more likely to be scum...so why me?

Ment never responded to this. Silencer's dead now, too, so no reason for ment to go back to it. However, ment has been making multiple comments like this (even now):

Mentalist, on 23 February 2011 - 10:48 PM, said:

no worries, I'm here most of the night.

incidentally, in response to Silencer's comment about the abrupt lack of Silencer attention.

the case on him was that he was a symp. if he is, he hasn't given his master away. and voting off a suspected symp is a last resort effort. and we're nowhere near that point yet.

He's said that his reasons for voting Silence have been misunderstood, but I think it's actually that he's just never gave very good reasons. Like I pointed out earlier, when justifying his votes, ment usually refers to someone ELSE'S posts instead of giving reasoning on why the person he voted is scum.

Also, I think the Dude was lying:

The Dude, on 24 February 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:

you guys are being silly. I am a RI General. Thats how I knew that Roldom was RI.if you think it will helpthe cause I will vote myself. But I have no role, take a look at tapper and shin when I am gone.

Yes, his reveal seemed to be true, but if he was a symp, wouldn't this be the case? He gives his name and claims RI, which is exactly what CF would show for a symp, correct? But Roldom wasn't RI, I think - Grand Administrator is the highest-sounding title so far, besides MTS's. It certainly sounds roled, anyway. And how would the Dude know he was RI? I suppose that could be part of his role but otherwise it's a strange claim, since we already had Roldom's CF. Seems like scum to me, and his alliance with ment doesn't help ment's protestations of innocence.

*refuses strongly the urge to be condescending*
if a player is RI, they are told so in their role PM. always.

also, I will explain once again.

beginning of Day 1: Silencer acts all over the damn place. I say he is a symp.
Later on in Day 1: Ace hunter makes a move I interpret as symping Silencer, because I see no other way to explain it. so, I vote Silencer.

Day 2: my statement about Silencer being a symp refers to the GENERAL sentiment on thread day 1. my particular reason is not nearly as relevant, besides, it did not pan out. I see tapper making a move that looks like he is symping Shin. so, I vote Shin. to this end, I repeat: when Shin got on, his first reaction was: "I have to agree with Ment. Tapper, wtf are you symping me for?"

lookit, i'm tired of bringing up the same point. in fact, I'm starting to think you are obtusely ignoring the reasons I give. and now MTS is dead. the very same MTS who pointed out that you seem strangely obcessed with me.

in fact, you know what?
remove vote
vote Ainsible

could be you're just being a n00b. or could be, you're pushing the n00b card, because you can see it's d-day, and a lynch is at hand.

edit: changed day 2 to 1... made no sense otherwise.

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 24 February 2011 - 10:03 PM

[Mentalist]

ansible, on 24 February 2011 - 09:59 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 24 February 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

In the court at Tian Shui, black-clothed assassins balanced above rafters and hid behind tapestries. In strode a tall, grizzled man garbed in silks and followed by dozens of guards and notaries. The assassins emerged with portable arbalests (Cho Ko Nu) and fired upon the group from all sides. Most of the party fell immediately and the few remaining guards charged the assassins. The assassins quickly dispatched the remaining guard. They turned to finish off the official,only to see the captain of his guards ushering him into a secret escape hatch in the floor.

Hugin & Munin, on 24 February 2011 - 09:19 PM, said:

Wang Can ran along the underground corridor, sandals flapping wildly. Escorted by the captain of his guard, he emerged three streets from the court. A passing squad of soldiers halted and reported that northern soldiers were assaulting the city from the west and north. Wang Can took charge of the soldiers and they headed for the south gate. As the gate came in sight, additional figures could be seen mounting onto the wall from the far side. Within moments the Lu soldiers had fallen and the gate was opened. Soldiers poured in around a mounted officer, the banners of the soldiers bearing the name Pang De. While the two armies clashed in the street Pang De galloped through the melee and reined in before Wang Can. Can turned to Pang De and said "Is this truly the-" and then his head fell from his shoulders while Pang De re-sheathed his sword.

MTS is dead. He was Wang Can, Governor of Tian Shui province (of Zhang Xiu's forces).

If I had to guess, it looks like MTS is the one who survived the first kill attempt today (if the scenes do contain relevant info). That means a guard or BP saved him, and then when he didn't die the second killer targeted him (which would mean this kill couldn't be scheduled, since they didn't know if the first kill would go through). And coincidentally, MTS died just as mentalist returned and started posting.

Not a lot of evidence, but with ment at L-1... The problem is, if we're wrong, and a symp hasn't died so far, ending with a lynch leaves town immediately vulnerable to 2 kills for Day 4. With only 8 people left and probably at least 4 scum we would be fucked at that point.

the underlined part is time meta and explicitly against the rules, btw.

[ansible]

Mentalist, on 24 February 2011 - 10:02 PM, said:

*refuses strongly the urge to be condescending*
if a player is RI, they are told so in their role PM. always.

I meant, how would The Dude know that ROLDOM was RI, not himself. I certainly wasn't asking how the Dude knew his own role.

[ansible]

Mentalist, on 24 February 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

ansible, on 24 February 2011 - 09:59 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 24 February 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

In the court at Tian Shui, black-clothed assassins balanced above rafters and hid behind tapestries. In strode a tall, grizzled man garbed in silks and followed by dozens of guards and notaries. The assassins emerged with portable arbalests (Cho Ko Nu) and fired upon the group from all sides. Most of the party fell immediately and the few remaining guards charged the assassins. The assassins quickly dispatched the remaining guard. They turned to finish off the official,only to see the captain of his guards ushering him into a secret escape hatch in the floor.

Hugin & Munin, on 24 February 2011 - 09:19 PM, said:

Wang Can ran along the underground corridor, sandals flapping wildly. Escorted by the captain of his guard, he emerged three streets from the court. A passing squad of soldiers halted and reported that northern soldiers were assaulting the city from the west and north. Wang Can took charge of the soldiers and they headed for the south gate. As the gate came in sight, additional figures could be seen mounting onto the wall from the far side. Within moments the Lu soldiers had fallen and the gate was opened. Soldiers poured in around a mounted officer, the banners of the soldiers bearing the name Pang De. While the two armies clashed in the street Pang De galloped through the melee and reined in before Wang Can. Can turned to Pang De and said "Is this truly the-" and then his head fell from his shoulders while Pang De re-sheathed his sword.

MTS is dead. He was Wang Can, Governor of Tian Shui province (of Zhang Xiu's forces).

If I had to guess, it looks like MTS is the one who survived the first kill attempt today (if the scenes do contain relevant info). That means a guard or BP saved him, and then when he didn't die the second killer targeted him (which would mean this kill couldn't be scheduled, since they didn't know if the first kill would go through). And coincidentally, MTS died just as mentalist returned and started posting.

Not a lot of evidence, but with ment at L-1... The problem is, if we're wrong, and a symp hasn't died so far, ending with a lynch leaves town immediately vulnerable to 2 kills for Day 4. With only 8 people left and probably at least 4 scum we would be fucked at that point.

the underlined part is time meta and explicitly against the rules, btw.

Is it? It was my understanding after D'rek's clarification that only reference to time-meta like logging on or timezones wasn't allowed. Regardless of your board activity, MTS died after you started posting in the thread again. I don't think this reasoning breaks the rules.

[ansible]

ansible, on 24 February 2011 - 10:07 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 24 February 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

ansible, on 24 February 2011 - 09:59 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 24 February 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

In the court at Tian Shui, black-clothed assassins balanced above rafters and hid behind tapestries. In strode a tall, grizzled man garbed in silks and followed by dozens of guards and notaries. The assassins emerged with portable arbalests (Cho Ko Nu) and fired upon the group from all sides. Most of the party fell immediately and the few remaining guards charged the assassins. The assassins quickly dispatched the remaining guard. They turned to finish off the official,only to see the captain of his guards ushering him into a secret escape hatch in the floor.

Hugin & Munin, on 24 February 2011 - 09:19 PM, said:

Wang Can ran along the underground corridor, sandals flapping wildly. Escorted by the captain of his guard, he emerged three streets from the court. A passing squad of soldiers halted and reported that northern soldiers were assaulting the city from the west and north. Wang Can took charge of the soldiers and they headed for the south gate. As the gate came in sight, additional figures could be seen mounting onto the wall from the far side. Within moments the Lu soldiers had fallen and the gate was opened. Soldiers poured in around a mounted officer, the banners of the soldiers bearing the name Pang De. While the two armies clashed in the street Pang De galloped through the melee and reined in before Wang Can. Can turned to Pang De and said "Is this truly the-" and then his head fell from his shoulders while Pang De re-sheathed his sword.

MTS is dead. He was Wang Can, Governor of Tian Shui province (of Zhang Xiu's forces).

If I had to guess, it looks like MTS is the one who survived the first kill attempt today (if the scenes do contain relevant info). That means a guard or BP saved him, and then when he didn't die the second killer targeted him (which would mean this kill couldn't be scheduled, since they didn't know if the first kill would go through). And coincidentally, MTS died just as mentalist returned and started posting.

Not a lot of evidence, but with ment at L-1... The problem is, if we're wrong, and a symp hasn't died so far, ending with a lynch leaves town immediately vulnerable to 2 kills for Day 4. With only 8 people left and probably at least 4 scum we would be fucked at that point.

the underlined part is time meta and explicitly against the rules, btw.

Is it? It was my understanding after D'rek's clarification that only reference to time-meta like logging on or timezones wasn't allowed. Regardless of your board activity, MTS died after you started posting in the thread again. I don't think this reasoning breaks the rules.

Just to clarify further, if this was an alt game and I had no idea who was logged on and then someone started posting and then a major town player died, I could make the same inference. I don't see how this has to do with who the person is or what time they might prefer to play the game.

[Mentalist]

still meta. it's frowned upon in alt games as well.

also, could you please show me where the Dude said Roldom was RI?

[ansible]

Mentalist, on 24 February 2011 - 10:02 PM, said:

also, I will explain once again.

beginning of Day 1: Silencer acts all over the damn place. I say he is a symp.
Later on in Day 1: Ace hunter makes a move I interpret as symping Silencer, because I see no other way to explain it. so, I vote Silencer.

Day 2: my statement about Silencer being a symp refers to the GENERAL sentiment on thread day 1. my particular reason is not nearly as relevant, besides, it did not pan out. I see tapper making a move that looks like he is symping Shin. so, I vote Shin. to this end, I repeat: when Shin got on, his first reaction was: "I have to agree with Ment. Tapper, wtf are you symping me for?"

lookit, i'm tired of bringing up the same point. in fact, I'm starting to think you are obtusely ignoring the reasons I give. and now MTS is dead. the very same MTS who pointed out that you seem strangely obcessed with me.

in fact, you know what?
remove vote
vote Ainsible

could be you're just being a n00b. or could be, you're pushing the n00b card, because you can see it's d-day, and a lynch is at hand.

edit: changed day 2 to 1... made no sense otherwise.

The reason this isn't convincing is because almost everyone seemed to agree that Silencer was a possible symp - you've said it many times, and even if you didn't explicitly say this early in Day 1, you never explicitly said Silencer was scum and being symped, either (you only said he and Ace were scum). No one seriously suggested that Silencer might be a killer but somehow that was the reason for your vote 2 days ago?


Your OMGUS vote is transparent, btw.

[ansible]

Mentalist, on 24 February 2011 - 10:16 PM, said:

still meta. it's frowned upon in alt games as well.

also, could you please show me where the Dude said Roldom was RI?

I've posted it on this page already, but here it is again:

The Dude, on 24 February 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:

you guys are being silly. I am a RI General. Thats how I knew that Roldom was RI.if you think it will helpthe cause I will vote myself. But I have no role, take a look at tapper and shin when I am gone.

Also, I'm almost positive I didn't break the meta rules, because the entire reason for being able to schedule your actions is to avoid being associated with them through time proximity. Therefore time proximity isn't breaking the rules.