[Tapper]

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 03:34 PM, said:

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:

I'm really not sure what to make of that. I can certainly see why you'd reveal if you're telling the truth, it's better than doing it later would be. However, no evidence?

I'm gonna go get some lunch, then re-read over all the Tapper/PB interactions.

There are hardly any. As you recall, he was offline day 1, day 2 he and I shared some time only during my evening, but there is him pursuing The Dude.

As far as I can recall, at one point he accuses both you and Shin of ganging up and bullying Tattersail. Lovers' quarrel?

ETA - looking at the actual post it was ~26 hours into Day 1 when that accusation was made. Odd thing to do if you were lovers.

So vote me if you don't believe me. Listen, my cards are on the table.

Either you believe me or you don't.
If you don't, there is no use keeping me around as I am lying scum that lies according to you, and for the remainder of the game, you will distrust any word I say.

If you do believe me for now, then keep an eye on me and game on.

[Tapper]

Also, someone give the_partridge the password to SH if it hasn't been done yet The more souls, the merrier.

[Hugin & Munin]

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 03:55 PM, said:

Also, someone give the_partridge the password to SH if it hasn't been done yet The more souls, the merrier.

done.

Tatts

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 03:42 PM, said:

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 03:34 PM, said:

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:

I'm really not sure what to make of that. I can certainly see why you'd reveal if you're telling the truth, it's better than doing it later would be. However, no evidence?

I'm gonna go get some lunch, then re-read over all the Tapper/PB interactions.

There are hardly any. As you recall, he was offline day 1, day 2 he and I shared some time only during my evening, but there is him pursuing The Dude.

As far as I can recall, at one point he accuses both you and Shin of ganging up and bullying Tattersail. Lovers' quarrel?

Would you not have reserves if someone told you off-thread he could establish a lover relation with anyone he liked, and you're the lucky target?
And if you were lovers, does that preclude some distancing?

possibly, but I would know that later on that might come in handy for a reveal and be very careful about what i said about them on thread. for one thing if he thought you were scum he would be very careful not to let you know that or his head would be on the chopping block. as a scum lover (has there ever been one?) you would have been trying to coerce him off thread into following your lead.

can you make a new lovers connection now that he is dead?

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 3. 17 hours and 59 minutes remaining
11 Players still alive: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, Shinrei, Tapper, Trull's son

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Mentalis - Ansible

Players not voted: Ace Hunter, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, Shinrei, Tapper, Trull's son

[drinksinbars]

who are you going to vote for today tapper? say i believe you about your reveal, who do you think is the scum? i will be away in fifteen minutes and want to know that state of play.

[MTS]

I guess if you take Tapper's 'evidence' at face value, the thing you then have to question is the assumption that Tapper's role is one only an innocent would possess. It may be possible it's fake - it's easy to pick a historical figure out of a hat, after all - and a symp could possibly have the ability to establish a lover connection. It's not an uncommon power for them to have in complicated games, but then you'd have expected him to become a lover with his master, and town would have to be fairly well-roled to counter that power, so it becomes all WIFOM anyway.

*shrugs* I'm willing to believe it for the moment, as I can see the strategy behind it from an inno perspective.

[Tapper]

drinksinbars, on 24 February 2011 - 04:00 PM, said:

who are you going to vote for today tapper? say i believe you about your reveal, who do you think is the scum? i will be away in fifteen minutes and want to know that state of play.

Sorry man.
I accidentally clicked on the SH tab instead of the Mafia thing in the Games menu while browsing and have asked for a modkill as I caught one or two sentences in a post there before I realized that player was already dead.

As such, no more game info from me.

[MTS]

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 03:34 PM, said:

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:

I'm really not sure what to make of that. I can certainly see why you'd reveal if you're telling the truth, it's better than doing it later would be. However, no evidence?

I'm gonna go get some lunch, then re-read over all the Tapper/PB interactions.

There are hardly any. As you recall, he was offline day 1, day 2 he and I shared some time only during my evening, but there is him pursuing The Dude.

As far as I can recall, at one point he accuses both you and Shin of ganging up and bullying Tattersail. Lovers' quarrel?

ETA - looking at the actual post it was ~26 hours into Day 1 when that accusation was made. Odd thing to do if you were lovers.

So vote me if you don't believe me. Listen, my cards are on the table.

Either you believe me or you don't.
If you don't, there is no use keeping me around as I am lying scum that lies according to you, and for the remainder of the game, you will distrust any word I say.

If you do believe me for now, then keep an eye on me and game on.

Relax Tapper, I just saw your lover pointing the finger at you, and pointed that out. I didn't say I thought you were a lying scum because of it.

[Hugin & Munin]

The mystic Guan Lu sat upon the peak of mount Tie Long, his gaze sweeping across the armies, cities and towns below. As night fell, he stood and waved a yak's tail fan across the deepening sky. "Alas, sometimes the will of Heaven is truly unfathomable." The clouds broke apart and a golden beam rose from the ground, passed the clouds and disappeared.

Tapper is modkilled. He was Lady Zou, an esteemed personage of the Lu Dynasty.

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 04:09 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on 24 February 2011 - 04:00 PM, said:

who are you going to vote for today tapper? say i believe you about your reveal, who do you think is the scum? i will be away in fifteen minutes and want to know that state of play.

Sorry man.
I accidentally clicked on the SH tab instead of the Mafia thing in the Games menu while browsing and have asked for a modkill as I caught one or two sentences in a post there before I realized that player was already dead.

As such, no more game info from me.

what??? how did you get in?? thats a disaster!!

[ansible]

I'm here, rereading.

[MTS]

Surely entering SH doesn't mean you'd enter the actual spoiler thread though? Along with DiBs question, colour me confused.

EDIT added 'spoiler' and second sentence

This post has been edited by MTS: 24 February 2011 - 04:16 PM

[drinksinbars]

not to be too pessimistic guys, but we are fucked.

vote mentalist

tapper is clearly an inno, so wasnt bumping uglies against shins leg. Out of everyone remaining ment to me is my biggest suspect. I am convinced one of our low posters is scum too (trull, hidden one or liz) but dont think i could make a case with whats on thread for that. Will try to check in later, will defo be back before the deadline.

[drinksinbars]

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 04:15 PM, said:

Surely entering SH doesn't mean you'd enter the actual thread though?

if you clicked on the thread in the games forum by accident and somehow had access you would jump into the thread automatically. not going to test that theory and recommend we are all careful until what ever password issue exists is resolved.

[Hugin & Munin]

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 04:15 PM, said:

Surely entering SH doesn't mean you'd enter the actual spoiler thread though? Along with DiBs question, colour me confused.

EDIT added 'spoiler' and second sentence

By his own admission, he did indeed do such a thing. Feel free to be paranoid and think he did it on purpose for some reason or other, though

-D'rek

[MTS]

drinksinbars, on 24 February 2011 - 04:17 PM, said:

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 04:15 PM, said:

Surely entering SH doesn't mean you'd enter the actual thread though?

if you clicked on the thread in the games forum by accident and somehow had access you would jump into the thread automatically. not going to test that theory and recommend we are all careful until what ever password issue exists is resolved.

Ohh I see, he clicked on the actual thread to the right, rather than going into SH itself. I get it now.

@D'rek, wasn't thinking that at all, just confused as to how it happened.

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 3. 17 hours and 31 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, Shinrei, Trull's son

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Mentalist ( ansible, dibs )

Players not voted: Ace Hunter, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, Shinrei, Trull's son

[HiddenOne]

Screw it, my instincts have been for crap about this whole game.

Maybe if I go opposite I'll move in the right direction.

[ansible]

drinksinbars, on 24 February 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

not to be too pessimistic guys, but we are fucked.

vote mentalist

tapper is clearly an inno, so wasnt bumping uglies against shins leg. Out of everyone remaining ment to me is my biggest suspect. I am convinced one of our low posters is scum too (trull, hidden one or liz) but dont think i could make a case with whats on thread for that. Will try to check in later, will defo be back before the deadline.

I agree with this, losing Tapper was bad. I'll go back and reply to ment's defense as soon as I can, but I'll just say that being so dismissive is just adding to my suspicion, so my vote stays. Also, Ment has been attacking Tapper/Shin throughout most of the last Day. I also agree that TS or HO might be scum; HO is basically claiming (feigning?) ignorance, and TS has sort of disappeared. By his association with Tapper I still feel Shin is clean.

If there really are two separate killers, then today could get really bad if we lose two more innos. I suppose they could always hold a kill back to try and dispel the 2-killers theory, but it seems more likely that they would push their advantage. Anyway, speculation aside, we need to find a fucking scum, and fast.