[HiddenOne]

I feel like we're two steps behind the killer(s). Really, I have nothing to go on. Another day like yesterday will see the town in smoking ruin

[Tapper]

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

I feel like we're two steps behind the killer(s). Really, I have nothing to go on. Another day like yesterday will see the town in smoking ruin

Yes, but... what do you think of the accusations that have been flying? Anything you like better than the others?

EDIT: there is Lizra's case on you, Ment accusing Shin and me, dibs not feeling well about Shin, Ment and me, and me attacking Ment.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 24 February 2011 - 02:45 PM

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on 24 February 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Still checking in periodically, but not much is happening.

SO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN!!!111!!

vote tapper

ok then. Its a toss up between you and ment for me, so I guess a vote will get some activity going.

reasons - you were a driving force behind both lynches and you have done some serious symping of shin. To me you are more suspicious than ment, though i admit it is close.

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 3. 19 hours and 6 minutes remaining
11 Players still alive: Ace Hunter, ansible, dibs, Grief, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, Shinrei, Tapper, Trull's son

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Mentalist - Ansible
1 Vote for Tapper - Dibs

Players not voted: Ace Hunter, dibs, HiddenOne, Lizra, Mentalist, MTS, Shinrei, Tapper, Trull's son

Edit votee

Tatts

This post has been edited by Hugin & Munin: 24 February 2011 - 02:53 PM

[drinksinbars]

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

I feel like we're two steps behind the killer(s). Really, I have nothing to go on. Another day like yesterday will see the town in smoking ruin

well i dont have any read on you because you havent been that active so its very hard to know anything about you. Some discussion about the cases or even a case off your own bat might be helpful to see where your suspicions are?

[MTS]

HiddenOne, on 24 February 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

I feel like we're two steps behind the killer(s). Really, I have nothing to go on. Another day like yesterday will see the town in smoking ruin

See, this is what is irks me most about your entire game, HO. Everyone sympathises with the fact that you are confused at what is going on. Hell, we all are. We're all scratching our heads trying to figure out things like why we had one kill on Day 1 and then three kills on Day 2. The thing is though, we're just as in the dark in every game about what's going on behind the scenes, and it's especially bad when you have 17 players. That's no real excuse for throwing up your hands and saying 'I have no idea' and making vague pronouncements of doom if we don't get our act together though.

You say you think we're two steps behind the killer(s). Ok fine, I think we can all agree that possibly six innos dead to no scum after two days' play is pretty bad. What are you doing about it though? You come out with posts asking us what we should do, why we find people suspicious, which is all well and good, but yet you contribute nothing on top of that. I can't remember you commenting on a single case, even your own, despite repeated requests to do so. I hope this doesn't come off as arrogantly condescending as Ment's earlier post to ansible did, but there's plenty of people who are under suspicion for being killers, and others have given reason for that. Up to now you've pretty much been following everyone's lead, your vote for the Dude being case in point. Who do you think the killers are though? What's your opinion of people's play? Tapper's got a lot of questions to answer, Shin's looking fairly suspicious, and so is Ment. I believe some people are expressing concern over DiBs. You must have an opinion on them, as you've been reading the thread, we'd just like to hear what that opinion is. A more paranoid player than myself might think your confusion and lack of offering an opinion is an act to fly under the radar, after all.

[Tapper]

drinksinbars, on 24 February 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on 24 February 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Still checking in periodically, but not much is happening.

SO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN!!!111!!

vote tapper

ok then. Its a toss up between you and ment for me, so I guess a vote will get some activity going.

reasons - you were a driving force behind both lynches and you have done some serious symping of shin. To me you are more suspicious than ment, though i admit it is close.

Not unexpected. However, if you believe I am symping Shin, you should vote him.
If you believe I am fake symping him, vote me.

Since you know that, you believe I'm fake symping him. Very well.

I think this must be based on day 2 solely.
If you read back to day 1, you'll see I only made and then pushed a case on Tatts after he jumped (which was the result of shins vote), while I had my vote for quite a while on Silencer.

Now, I can safely say this since my partner is dead, but I was lovers with PB.

I'm Lady Zou, aunt of Zhiang Xiu himself, and I could pick someone to become lovers with. I chose PB because he and I get along well, have the same analytical mindset, and it allowed me to test my suspicions on someone who is usually level headed.
Now, there are no codes, no signs, but for some circumstantial evidence: if you look back to day 1, who was vehemently against lynching the low poster, then PB? Moi - to keep my partner alive.
My bad case on The Dude was a result of PB's gut feeling The Dude was scum. Look at how he follows my vote on day 2.

If you accept that evidence, then the only way I can be scum is if there are two symps, they know each other, and their boss(es). I do not judge that likely, myself, but of course, you might conclude that I am biased

Now, why do I reveal with hardly any pressure on me?
Because I want to get this bad shit out of the way asap so we can focus on the other tracks we have, there is still plenty of time in the day to reach a conclusion on that. Moreover, if I VPI with my partner dead, I force the scums hand - if they ignore me, they have a minor problem, if they kill me, they waste a kill.

EDIT: removed the h from Zhou as my name is Lady Zou, and replaced the X in Xhiang Xiu with a Z to make it Zhiang Xiu. Thus, cosmetic edit.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 24 February 2011 - 03:40 PM

[Grief]

I'm back.

Acehunter: There's not much to say about your defence. You claim you simply voted on gut then left it when you couldn't back it up-to me that looks like trying to give the impression of contributing. Atm, I'm a bit conflicted on this, because I'd kind of expect scum to start cotributing more when called out on it. On the other hand, the case didn't garner that much support, so you could just be coasting thorugh it. Of the people who are hard to read due to low contribution, you would be my choice for a lynch.

Dibs: Why vote Tapper rather than shin? You mention the symping being scummy, but going for someone who you think is a symp is bad. What makes you think tapper is more likely a killer than the person he seems to have symped?

[Grief]

I'm really not sure what to make of that. I can certainly see why you'd reveal if you're telling the truth, it's better than doing it later would be. However, no evidence?

I'm gonna go get some lunch, then re-read over all the Tapper/PB interactions.

[Shinrei]

Interesting reveal Tapper. Lover - how appropriate. You have no more evidence than that though?

It's my bedtime. I don't really have any new thoughts at teh moment - hoping some things come out while I'm asleep.

G'nite.

[Tapper]

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:

I'm really not sure what to make of that. I can certainly see why you'd reveal if you're telling the truth, it's better than doing it later would be. However, no evidence?

I'm gonna go get some lunch, then re-read over all the Tapper/PB interactions.

There are hardly any. As you recall, he was offline day 1, day 2 he and I shared some time only during my evening, but there is him pursuing The Dude.

[Tapper]

Shinrei, on 24 February 2011 - 03:33 PM, said:

Interesting reveal Tapper. Lover - how appropriate. You have no more evidence than that though?

It's my bedtime. I don't really have any new thoughts at teh moment - hoping some things come out while I'm asleep.

G'nite.

No codes, no smilies, none, nada.
Please also note that I approached him, it was not a given connection but my own choice.

[drinksinbars]

I have concerns over everybody, those three are just my main ones, with trull just behind them and the rest of you behind that. There isnt one personin this game that is in any way pi imo and on day3 thats prety much unique. Normally i would have a good idea about of at least one or two players i would trust, plenty of times i got burned as a result but then i have played alot.

Take yesterday for example, the train on silencer from day 1 was in no way followed up so those five players just moved on to something else. Even the train on tattersail wasnt discussed much. tapper was the driving force behind yesterdays lynch, but then grief and shin were in there too stoking the fires and the dude didnt really help himself with a half cocked reveal which a lot of people just flat out ignored. people jump on and vote toward the end of day because people say we need a lynch and its a rush.

Aside fromt hat people seem to think i am suspicious simply because i am me, but its no good just saying that and i cant defend against being myself. With new players playing (which is awesome and i think for the most part they are taking to it well, tattersail, ansible and liz all seem to be good players who are jumping straight in) its not a good argument. for one thing newer players cant judge whether someone is playing how you say, and the same type of argument cant be used against them as we do not have a read on their play style. Which is a problem as we end up focusing on the louder players who are making cases and pushing lynches when those quieter new players may be the scum and just let us go at it while picking us off. The loud players are also not being killed off, (apart from silencer who looked like a vig kill) so we remain in the limelight.

[MTS]

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 03:34 PM, said:

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:

I'm really not sure what to make of that. I can certainly see why you'd reveal if you're telling the truth, it's better than doing it later would be. However, no evidence?

I'm gonna go get some lunch, then re-read over all the Tapper/PB interactions.

There are hardly any. As you recall, he was offline day 1, day 2 he and I shared some time only during my evening, but there is him pursuing The Dude.

As far as I can recall, at one point he accuses both you and Shin of ganging up and bullying Tattersail. Lovers' quarrel?

ETA - looking at the actual post it was ~26 hours into Day 1 when that accusation was made. Odd thing to do if you were lovers.

This post has been edited by MTS: 24 February 2011 - 03:45 PM

[Tapper]

MTS, on 24 February 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 03:34 PM, said:

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:

I'm really not sure what to make of that. I can certainly see why you'd reveal if you're telling the truth, it's better than doing it later would be. However, no evidence?

I'm gonna go get some lunch, then re-read over all the Tapper/PB interactions.

There are hardly any. As you recall, he was offline day 1, day 2 he and I shared some time only during my evening, but there is him pursuing The Dude.

As far as I can recall, at one point he accuses both you and Shin of ganging up and bullying Tattersail. Lovers' quarrel?

Would you not have reserves if someone told you off-thread he could establish a lover relation with anyone he liked, and you're the lucky target?
And if you were lovers, does that preclude some distancing?

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 03:17 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on 24 February 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Tapper, on 24 February 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on 24 February 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Still checking in periodically, but not much is happening.

SO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN!!!111!!

vote tapper

ok then. Its a toss up between you and ment for me, so I guess a vote will get some activity going.

reasons - you were a driving force behind both lynches and you have done some serious symping of shin. To me you are more suspicious than ment, though i admit it is close.

Not unexpected. However, if you believe I am symping Shin, you should vote him.
If you believe I am fake symping him, vote me.

Since you know that, you believe I'm fake symping him. Very well.

I think this must be based on day 2 solely.
If you read back to day 1, you'll see I only made and then pushed a case on Tatts after he jumped (which was the result of shins vote), while I had my vote for quite a while on Silencer.

Now, I can safely say this since my partner is dead, but I was lovers with PB.

I'm Lady Zhou, aunt of Xhiang Xiu himself, and I could pick someone to become lovers with. I chose PB because he and I get along well, have the same analytical mindset, and it allowed me to test my suspicions on someone who is usually level headed.
Now, there are no codes, no signs, but for some circumstantial evidence: if you look back to day 1, who was vehemently against lynching the low poster, then PB? Moi - to keep my partner alive.
My bad case on The Dude was a result of PB's gut feeling The Dude was scum. Look at how he follows my vote on day 2.

If you accept that evidence, then the only way I can be scum is if there are two symps, they know each other, and their boss(es). I do not judge that likely, myself, but of course, you might conclude that I am biased

Now, why do I reveal with hardly any pressure on me?
Because I want to get this bad shit out of the way asap so we can focus on the other tracks we have, there is still plenty of time in the day to reach a conclusion on that. Moreover, if I VPI with my partner dead, I force the scums hand - if they ignore me, they have a minor problem, if they kill me, they waste a kill.

a bit of a cross post there, i was trying to word that last post so i didnt insult anyone or sound too much like a pompus windbag with a soap box. its a fairly convenient reveal mate, you have no code and your evidence is fairly weak. Can you give us a few details around the natur eof yours or pb's powers? What would have happened had you hooked up with a scum etc?

[Tapper]

PB was RI by his own say.
Myself, I can establish a lover connection. If I attached myself to scum, well, same difference. There is no find attached, not for them, not for me. I'd have to win someone's trust and run it from there, and I guess scum would try and use me, or if they are particularly trustworthy, think I am a symp extraordinaire.

[Tapper]

Of course, in the hypothetical case where I bond with scum if they weren't trusting me, I'd end up face down in the mud.

[Tapper]

And in all honesty, fuck the emphasis on coding. We ask for it all the time and yet we all know not to do text coding or signing as we learned the trouble of it the hard way when Yellow broke a string of them and Morghy spotted another matching smiley and promptly killed the paired people.

Secondly, the best time to do it is during day 1 spam, and guess when PB was not around? Zactly, then.

[drinksinbars]

Grief, on 24 February 2011 - 03:17 PM, said:

I'm back.

Acehunter: There's not much to say about your defence. You claim you simply voted on gut then left it when you couldn't back it up-to me that looks like trying to give the impression of contributing. Atm, I'm a bit conflicted on this, because I'd kind of expect scum to start cotributing more when called out on it. On the other hand, the case didn't garner that much support, so you could just be coasting thorugh it. Of the people who are hard to read due to low contribution, you would be my choice for a lynch.

Dibs: Why vote Tapper rather than shin? You mention the symping being scummy, but going for someone who you think is a symp is bad. What makes you think tapper is more likely a killer than the person he seems to have symped?

because i dont think he would be so obvious in his sympage, and he asked me to start something out of the three i felt shin was least suspicious as well.

trying to make sense of the reveal, its very early on, but if no one comes back with any counter theres no real way to discount it without lynching him and thats dangerous at this stage in the game.

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