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Leo Grin posts a scathing editorial on modern fantasy - Abercrombie, Bakker, and others respond.

#81 King Bear

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:18 AM

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#82 Salt-Man Z

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 06:07 AM

McLovin, on 03 March 2011 - 01:18 PM, said:

Nothing like SW to completely derail a thread.

What does Stonewielder have to do with this discussion?

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#83 King Bear

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 07:16 AM

Salt-Man Z, on 05 March 2011 - 06:07 AM, said:

McLovin, on 03 March 2011 - 01:18 PM, said:

Nothing like SW to completely derail a thread.

What does Stonewielder have to do with this discussion?

nothing.

But yo mama has everything to do with it.

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 10:12 AM

Bombur, on 05 March 2011 - 07:16 AM, said:

Salt-Man Z, on 05 March 2011 - 06:07 AM, said:

McLovin, on 03 March 2011 - 01:18 PM, said:

Nothing like SW to completely derail a thread.

What does Stonewielder have to do with this discussion?

nothing.

But yo mama has everything to do with it.

Because she rolled over and showed us her dark side?

meh. Link was dead :(

#85 Illuyankas

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 05:46 PM

That's not the dark side, that's just her blocking out the sun.

Hello, soldiers, look at your mage, now back to me, now back at your mage, now back to me. Sadly, he isn’t me, but if he stopped being an unascended mortal and switched to Sole Spice, he could smell like he’s me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re in a warren with the High Mage your cadre mage could smell like. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s an acorn with two gates to that realm you love. Look again, the acorn is now otataral. Anything is possible when your mage smells like Sole Spice and not a Bole brother. I’m on a quorl.

#86 Salt-Man Z

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 03:31 PM

Old news, I know, but I just found Matthew Fucking Stover's response to the whole "controversy" (scroll down to comment #11):

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I think Joe Abercrombie is a terrific writer.

If I never read another self-righteous grannypants whingeing on about some trend or writer or whateverthefuck having brought about the destruction of said self-righteous grannypants’ precious delusions of What My Beloved Genre Should Be, I believe my life will not be less for it.

And this particular self-righteous grannypants doesn’t know shit about Robert E. Howard. And he misquotes Caine. And he misquotes Tolkien. And I really don’t understand why anyone pays attention to him.

Yes: He has a right to be wrong.

However: We have a right to ignore him.

This post has been edited by Salt-Man Z: 25 March 2011 - 04:13 PM

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 04:11 PM

Salt-Man Z, on 25 March 2011 - 03:31 PM, said:

Old news, I know, but I just Matthew Fucking Stover's response to the whole "controversy" (scroll down to comment #11):

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Excellent post Chris!

"When the last tree has fallen, and the rivers are poisoned, you cannot eat money, oh no." ~Aurora

"Someone will always try to sell you despair, just so they don't feel alone." ~Ursula Vernon

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 11:09 PM

Grin has carried on with a series of posts outlining why Tolkien is great, and next up is Howard. While I appreciate many of the things that Grin likes about Tolkien, surely this isn't a zero sum game where it is either one or the other? Plus I find it odd that he complains about Tolkien clones who shamelessly copy Tolkien, while then complaining about authors who try to write something different. I also don't understand how he can conflate Tolkien and Howard, as each wrote very different types of fantasy. I also think his criticism of much modern fantasy is misplaced and he is deliberately misreading and thus it is a self-fulfilling prophecy of seeing what is expected to be seen instead of allowing the work to speak for itself. He shamelessly comments on works that he admits to not reading and cherrypicks or misquotes texts while also lifting quotations out of context from reviews. The political polemic also appears to be misplaced in a review of literature for literatures sake.

Anyway, my two cents on it.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 10:04 AM

Grin be crazy Ribald, 'nuff said.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 12:00 PM

On the bright side, I now know who to read when I've got a some spare time on my hands. Embracing a little bit of grey area never hurts.

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 07:56 PM

The article is silly drivel, but there might be a sliver of truth to the idea that there is an oversaturation of dark and gritty anti-hero fantasy. It is the trend to write a bit bleakly these days. This guy is a tool though.

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 03:40 PM

Yeah. That's on Breitbart's Big Government site. There's no agenda going on there! Not from the site that brought us such blasts of santorum as James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles, a site that has destroyed people's careers and lives to score petty political points.

In short: fuck reading that article and sending them clicks to give them however many cents they get per view.