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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:25 AM

The Dagger and the Coin #1: The Dragon's Path

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The thirteen races of humanity have survived the downfall of the Dragon Empire and forged new kingdoms. The great nation of Antea now seeks to expand its influence into the Free Cities, sending its army to conquer the city of Vanai. Ahead of the Antean advance, the Medean Bank evacuates its Vanaian treasury by caravan, escorted by a young ward of the bank, Cithrin Bel Sarcour, and one of the most respected soldiers in the city, Captain Marcus Wester.

Meanwhile, in Camnipol, capital of Antea, Baron Dawson Kalliam finds himself engaged in a clandestine struggle as two factions clash for influence over the Severed Throne, with the assault on Vanai just one of the intrigues in motion. Geder Palliako, a minor nobleman accompanying the army, is less interested in glory and plunder than in knowledge and lore, and in Vanai finds hints that will lead him to unexpected ends. And in a remote and distant mountain range, a shadowy organisation holds secrets that the world has long forgotten...

A bald plot summary suggests that The Dragon's Path is the same old: armies marching and lords politicking whilst an ancient threat lurks in the wings. To some degree this is understandable: after completing the Asian-influenced Long Price Quartet, Abraham decided to pen a more traditional fantasy series. The Dagger and the Coin is set in a land more overtly influenced by late Medieval/early Renaissance Europe, complete with powerful kingdoms, feuding city-states and a banking institution reminiscent of the Medici. On the one hand this may be considered a retreat by Abraham into writing something less original, but on the other it may have been a wise move, given that readers responded to the near-blanket critical acclaim of The Long Price Quartet by not buying it (at least not in the United States).

Still, whilst Abraham may be swimming in more familiar waters, that's not to say he doesn't put 110% effort into it. His trademark impressive characterisation remains the focus of the book: whilst major and epic events rock the world, his interest is more in the development of Dawson, Geder, Cithrin and Wester, our main POV characters (there's a few other minor ones, likely to rise more to the fore in future books). These characters are somewhat complex and all deeply conflicted. Dawson is presented somewhat sympathetically as a loyalist to the king, but he's also a staunchly traditionalist opponent of any change in the social order calls for greater freedom being to resonate from the populace. Geder is selfishly only interested in pursuing his interest in book-learning, which seems harmless enough until he is given a position of authority and promptly displays a side we hadn't seen before. Cithrin is a confident negotiator and investor who is utterly lost when faced with the day-to-day realities of surviving on the road, whilst Wester is the old soldier who strives for cynicism but keeps being drawn to idealistic causes.

For The Long Price, Abraham used economics as a casus belli for the conflict, but didn't fully engage with the economics in depth. This is understandable as making economics interesting to the average reader can be tricky, though in the past Scott Lynch, KJ Parker and, perhaps unexpectedly, Raymond E. Feist have made good fists of it, whilst it is a minor but important driving point in conflicts in both A Song of Ice and Fire and The Wheel of Time. In The Dragon's Path Abraham deals with the economics in a more direct fashion, making one of the main characters a banker and one of the most powerful institutions in the world a bank. He avoids tedium by showing how the bank's activities impact on the wider politics of the world, though I suspect this will be more critical in subsequent volumes.

Abraham's prose is enjoyable to read, though perhaps a tad more prosaic here than in the more lyrical moments of The Long Price. The book isn't as fast and furious as his other 2011 release, Leviathan Wakes (under the pen-name James S.A. Corey), but is still well-paced, laying out the world and the stakes alongside the characters and politics.

On the weaker side of things, there are some moments when each of the four main characters loses the reader's sympathy (one of them never gets it back, but remains a fascinating protagonist). Intriguing side-characters get less page time than might be wished (Dawson's wife, Clara, has a solid subplot of her own and is one of the more interesting characters in the book). If you've read interviews with Abraham about what his influences were on the series, there are a few moments when those influences become a little too apparent (especially the parallel between Geder and events in a certain SF series; not Firefly). More problematic is that Abraham, having established thirteen different branches of humanity, doesn't give us much info on what these differences are, reducing them to just names, though in fairness Abraham has acknowledged this issue and promised to put more information in the sequels and on his website.

Overall, however, The Dragon's Path (****½) is a winner. The characters are engaging and well-motivated, the plot intriguing despite some surface familiarity, and events are resolved enough to not make the wait for the second book, The King's Blood, too painful. The book will be published on 7 April in the USA and on 21 April in the UK.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 08:19 PM

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... readers responded to the near-blanket critical acclaim of The Long Price Quartet by not buying it (at least not in the United States)....


I'm not sure how much is lack of audience and how much is lack of marketing.As much as i'm a fan of online shopping, it doesn't help that it seems the series is pretty much not on bookshelves, at all, anywhere in North America. I never even heard of the LPQ series before a few forumites mentioned it.
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Posted 24 February 2011 - 08:38 PM

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View PostWerthead, on 15 February 2011 - 10:25 AM, said:

... readers responded to the near-blanket critical acclaim of The Long Price Quartet by not buying it (at least not in the United States)....


I'm not sure how much is lack of audience and how much is lack of marketing.As much as i'm a fan of online shopping, it doesn't help that it seems the series is pretty much not on bookshelves, at all, anywhere in North America. I never even heard of the LPQ series before a few forumites mentioned it.


I VERY sporadically see Shadow in Summer on the shelves at Chapters Indigo...very seldom though and usually a slightly mistreated bent-cover MMP. Not the most thrilling endorsement VIA the publisher. As Abyss said, I feel it comes down to marketing too. Look at Brent Week Night Angel series, three books, come out in paperback only, but they marketed those fairly heavily and it worked. It totally pushed Weeks' career into the mainstream fantasy knowledgebase consciousness. It seems that (was it TOR) the publisher wasn't willing to put the effort in with LPQ considering they dropped Abraham after that.
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Posted 07 April 2011 - 04:07 AM

I just posted my review. Below is an excerpt. This is good, but clearly just the opening chapter, setting up lots of questions and such but providing little in the way of answers.

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One of the aspects that I enjoyed most in The Dragon’s Path is Abraham’s selection of the characters he tells the story through. While most will (correctly) point to Cithrin and Marcus as the most developed, most sympathetic and likeable characters and Geder as the most intriguing in terms of what is to come, Dawson gets left out. Dawson represents the traditional, conservative force so common in epic fantasy – the status quo. He is an elitist noble who thinks of everyone else as less than human, he is a bigot, and he thrives in a male-dominated, testosterone culture that is reprehensible to modern sensibility. In court politics he commands a faction that is defending against a rival group of younger nobles seeking reforms such as more power in the hands of the farmers and such. The twist is that most fantasy these days tells the story from the point of view of the reformers while Abraham chooses to tell the story from the point of view of the conservatives. It’s a classic battle of progress versus the status quo and I love how Abraham forces the reader to cheer for the traditional bad guys.

In another slight deviation from traditional epic fantasy, Abraham embraces rather than discounts the power of economy. Throughout history, much of the power of society has resided in banks or their equivalent and Abraham honors this historical reality. Cithrin is the ward of a bank just about to achieve her adulthood and freedom – but events force her to flee her home and survive without direction. As the child of bank her only real world skills are banking, and use them she does. I love the importance that Abraham gives to the banks, even if it is only just realized in this opening chapter to the series.

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For an epic fantasy, The Dragon’s Path is a bit short on battles and magic, but this is only the opening chapter of the quintet with the second book, The King’s Blood coming in 2012 (planned). The Dragon’s Path does not stand on its own and is similar in to The Fellowship of the Ring in that it is only the beginning of one great novel. This is the introduction and the promise of magic and battles to come is laid out and many questions have been raised with few answers. The Dragon’s Path wets the appetite but doesn’t deliver the meal. That is for later and I can’t wait.
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Posted 07 April 2011 - 04:09 AM

View PostQuickTidal, on 24 February 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:

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View PostWerthead, on 15 February 2011 - 10:25 AM, said:

... readers responded to the near-blanket critical acclaim of The Long Price Quartet by not buying it (at least not in the United States)....


I'm not sure how much is lack of audience and how much is lack of marketing.As much as i'm a fan of online shopping, it doesn't help that it seems the series is pretty much not on bookshelves, at all, anywhere in North America. I never even heard of the LPQ series before a few forumites mentioned it.


I VERY sporadically see Shadow in Summer on the shelves at Chapters Indigo...very seldom though and usually a slightly mistreated bent-cover MMP. Not the most thrilling endorsement VIA the publisher. As Abyss said, I feel it comes down to marketing too. Look at Brent Week Night Angel series, three books, come out in paperback only, but they marketed those fairly heavily and it worked. It totally pushed Weeks' career into the mainstream fantasy knowledgebase consciousness. It seems that (was it TOR) the publisher wasn't willing to put the effort in with LPQ considering they dropped Abraham after that.


Tor has a bit of reputation of not supporting some new and mid-list authors very well. They'll throw huge promotional budgets at big names who don't (necessarily) need that level of support and leave the rest out to dry. I've heard it from more than one author behind the scenes.
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Posted 06 June 2011 - 01:40 AM

View PostAbyss, on 24 February 2011 - 08:19 PM, said:

I'm not sure how much is lack of audience and how much is lack of marketing.As much as i'm a fan of online shopping, it doesn't help that it seems the series is pretty much not on bookshelves, at all, anywhere in North America. I never even heard of the LPQ series before a few forumites mentioned it.


These forums were the first I'd heard about LPQ too. I've never seen it on NZ bookshelves. I found the Dragon's Path in a book store yesterday, so things are looking up for Abraham, in NZ at least.
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Posted 07 June 2011 - 09:52 PM

View PostQuick Ben, on 06 June 2011 - 01:40 AM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 24 February 2011 - 08:19 PM, said:

I'm not sure how much is lack of audience and how much is lack of marketing.As much as i'm a fan of online shopping, it doesn't help that it seems the series is pretty much not on bookshelves, at all, anywhere in North America. I never even heard of the LPQ series before a few forumites mentioned it.


These forums were the first I'd heard about LPQ too. I've never seen it on NZ bookshelves. I found the Dragon's Path in a book store yesterday, so things are looking up for Abraham, in NZ at least.


Yup, Orbit are pushing the book hard in all of its major markets (the UK, the USA/Canada and Australia/New Zealand) and are doing an excellent job so far.

Tor seemed to have cottoned on, and are apparently reissuing the LPQ next year as two omnibuses, which should help sell the series (especially since THE PRICE OF SPRING never had a paperback release).
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 04:34 AM

View PostWerthead, on 07 June 2011 - 09:52 PM, said:

Tor seemed to have cottoned on, and are apparently reissuing the LPQ next year as two omnibuses, which should help sell the series (especially since THE PRICE OF SPRING never had a paperback release).


When I was talking with Daniel a couple of months ago he mentioned that he got his first royalty checks from LPQ at about the time that he signed with Orbit. It's not like Tor lost money on LPQ - they just didn't get as much as they'd have liked. I've gotta think that if they had actually invested time and effort in Daniel it would have worked out much differently. As I mentioned earlier, Tor is kind of notorious for this - they get behind their A-list authors in a big way (see Brandon Sanderson for example), but often completely ignore the mid-list (see Ian Tregillis for a really horendous example). Daniel and I chatted about this a bit as well - I've talked off-line with several authors who have felt that Tor didn't didn't get behind them and had a 'why did they bother to publish me if they just ignore my book when it comes out').
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:03 AM

The Dagger and the Coin #2: The King's Blood by Daniel Abraham

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Imperial Antea, the greatest nation in the world, is on the rise. Thanks to the hitherto-unexpected skills of Geder Palliako, a young nobleman, a conspiracy to murder the heir to the Antean throne has been exposed and defeated. Now the Anteans are pursuing the roots of the conspiracy into neighbouring Asterilhold, an investigation which threatens to explode into full-scale war. Baron Dawson Kalliam is summoned to serve his country, but as he works with Geder he discovers the shadowy roots of Geder's new political skills and is left with a critical decision to make.

Across the continent, Cithrin Bel Sarcour's position as the face of the new Medean Bank in Porte Olivia is undermined by the arrival of a new notary determined to stop Cithring doing her job. Furious, Cithrin undertakes a journey to Carse to convince the leaders of the bank that she can do the job. This fateful decision will lead her into the heart of the growing storm that threatens to plunge the known world into chaos and war.

The King's Blood is the second novel in The Dagger and the Coin and the sequel to last year's promising opening volume in the sequence, The Dragon's Path. With this series Daniel Abraham has moved away from the Asian-tinged fantasy of his debut Long Price Quartet in favour of tackling a more traditional, Western European-based fantasy. Whilst he's moved the date to one later than normal (Renaissance Europe rather than the traditional medieval period, with a banking institution modelled on the Medici), he's still swimming in more familiar waters.

However, this move has not dented his enthusiasm or writing skills. The Dragon's Path was a very solid opening novel, but The King's Blood eclipses it on almost every level. The writing is more confident and assured. The characterisation is richer, both of the established cast (Cithrin develops into a more layered character than before; Marcus Wester's psychological state becomes clearer; Geder becomes a lot more disturbing) and of relative newcomers. Clara Kalliam had a subplot in The Dragon's Path but in this novel develops into a key protagonist as she deals with a minor scandal in her family and then has to engage with the developing political crisis. There is more action, including a skirmish with pirates and several sieges and battles, but also more introspection as the characters evolve into more fully-realised figures. Particularly fascinating are Yardem and Marcus, a fine fantasy double-act who provide a great deal of the book's humour but are also potentially storing up tragedy between them.

The worldbuilding is also improved upon from The Dragon's Path, where the differences between the various kingdoms and the thirteen distinct races of mankind were not very well-established. This is immensely improved upon in The King's Blood (and not just by the addition of a glossary), with the world becoming more convincing and the distinctions between the races better-established. An area that requires more work, however, is the political landscape in Antea, which still feels somewhat under-developed. This wasn't so much a problem in the first novel, but risks becoming an issue in The King's Blood, particularly in the concluding section of the novel which suffers a little from a lack of scope due to the very narrow focus.

The book unfolds at a fairly swift pace, which results in the pages flying by so fast that the book's end, and the resulting year-long wait for Book 3, comes upon the reader unexpectedly. The book's excellence overcomes the occasional resorting to epic fantasy contrivance (journeys are either major undertakings or are completely skipped over depending on plot needs) or its inspirations being worn a little too openly on the sleeve (the Geder plotline's parallels to the Londo Mollari storyline in Babylon 5 risk it becoming predictable until it starts to swerve away from that structure late in the novel).

The King's Blood (*****) has a few minor flaws but overall is a very fine epic fantasy novel, a huge improvement over the already-fine Dragon's Path, and notable for its focus on finely-judged characterisation as much as the more traditional furniture of the genre. It's also a fast, addictive read that elevates The Dagger and the Coin into the position of one of the finest in-progress fantasy series around at the moment. The novel is available now in the UK and USA.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 01:46 PM

The Dagger and the Coin #3: The Tyrant's Law by Daniel Abraham

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The armies of Antea have conquered Asterilhold, but Geder Palliako, the Regent, allows his troops no time for rest. His plans, and those of the cult of the spider goddess, have taken on a note of urgency as they try to unearth the conspiracy that resulted in the death of the last King of Antea. In Camnipol, the disgraced wife of the traitor Dawson is working to both reestablish herself and her household and to bring about Geder's downfall. In the wilderness of the southern jungles, Marcus Wester and the renegade spider priest Kit are searching for a powerful weapon to use against the cult. And in the city of Suddapal Cithrin is apprenticed to an experienced banker to complete her training. But as the armies of Antea advance, Cithrin discovers that making money may be less important than finding a good cause on which to spend it.

The Tyrant's Law is the third volume in the five-volume The Dagger and the Coin, bringing this series past its halfway point. Those who've read The Dragon's Path and The King's Blood will know what to expect: well-crafted characters in an interesting (if not overtly original) world taking part in a plot inspired by a mixture of Babylon 5, Firefly and the real-life history of the Medicis. Like many such epic fantasy series with a number of entwining plots and character arcs, the series risks getting more diffuse the further it goes on, but Abraham prevents sprawl by maintaining a tight grip on a small number of POV characters: the entire plot unfolds from the POVs of Cithrin, Marcus, Clara (Dawson's widow) and Geder alone. This keeps the pace brisk and the word-count low, though not the page-count; due to a questionable decision to print the book in a font so large I briefly thought it was the edition for the hard of seeing, the book is exactly 500 pages in length, which seems rather unnecessary.

Still, The Tyrant's Law is a very good fantasy novel. Abraham has always been more interested in the nuances of characters than in massive battles and magical fireworks, and his most enviable skill is developing characters concisely and establishing convincing depths within them. So whilst we have no new POV characters, all of the returning faces get new dimensions added to them and more development into fully-rounded individuals. Geder becomes more accomplished in the arts of political intrigue, Clara becomes a convincing intriguer and Cithrin, already a skilled financier, learns some things about family and responsibility. Though not POV characters, both Yardem and Kit also develop in intriguing ways. Abraham undercuts some traditional epic fantasy tropes as well, such as turning a Conan-esque raid on a temple into a moment of profound character and spiritual revelation.

In some areas The Tyrant's Law is a bit of a let-down on The King's Blood. There's a lot of wandering around the countryside and at two separate times the same characters head into the wilderness to find a secret magical MacGuffin, giving rise to a feeling of repetition (though again Abraham subverts expectations with a surprisingly epic flashback ending). Cithrin being reluctantly apprenticed to yet another Medean bank executive (albeit a rather different character) and learning valuable life lessons also feels a bit over-familiar. The Tyrant's Law is a middle volume and showing some of the weaknesses of that position, but overcomes most of them through some solid plotting and decent characterisation.

If there is one major criticism that can be made of the series, it's that Abraham has deliberately set out to write something more traditional after the relative commercial disappointment of his debut sequence, the lyrical and imaginative Long Price Quartet. As a result, whilst Long Price felt like it was written from the heart, Dagger and the Coin sometimes feels a little too artificially-constructed and a little too knowing in its references. This isn't a major problem, but it does make one feel that this series is going to end up in the 'enjoyably good series' pile rather than the 'modern fantasy classics', where Long Price firmly resides. Still, with two more books to go, Abraham still has time to elevate the series to a new level.

The Tyrant's Law (****½) will be published in the UK and USA on 14 May.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

I have to say, the first book was poor. One of the few instances where I think more exposition might have been useful - thirteen races but I never really got a sense of them individually. And it dragged - I'm not interested in the vagaries of banking, personally, and that kind of thing is done much better in historical fiction - whassername...? Anyway, it was dull.

edit: Dorothy Dunnett is who I was thinking of - great for medieval/renaissance international finance and all that bollocks.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 03:51 PM

Abraham got a lot of criticism on that issue, the 13 races not really being explained or standing out more. He pretty quickly published an appendix on his website which went into the differences more (included in Books 2 and 3 as well) and also, more importantly, spent more time talking about the races in the second and third volumes. It's a criticism he responded to, to be fair.

If you don't link the banking angle, there's not much to be done about that, although it definitely recedes into the background a lot more in Book 3.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:18 PM

I'm about a third of the way into the first book and enjoying it. I actually like the banking angle. I wasn't expecting much plot development in this book, but it's satisfying and somewhat unexpected when developments to happen.
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