[Bale]

I didn't see another post on this, so hopefully I am not speculating on something everyone already knows...

However, when Cafal, Setoc and Torrent escape through the gate that immolates Talamandas, did anyone notice that they gated to our world? Specifically:

(1) Setoc notices that the last of the wolves was extinct centuries ago;
(2) They all notice the air is polluted, and the stars are fuzzy as a result;
(3) The trees were cut down with even cuts, unlike anything an axe could perform;
(4) When Setoc summons the ghost of the wild animals to open the gate to escape, buffalo are described. Not bhedrin.


Just thought it was interesting.

[Sinisdar Toste]

welllll, that depends what period of time they've travelled to. wolves aren't extinct in our world. not in the slightest. unless they go extinct sometime in the future... but thats fantasy again and how could we tell if it is our world? also, saws aren't really that much of a technological advance. plenty of other worlds could have invented them.

don't get me wrong, it could very well be our world, but the evidence you give doesn't make that strong a case for it imo

[Bale]

Sinisdar Toste, on 11 January 2011 - 12:12 AM, said:

welllll, that depends what period of time they've travelled to. wolves aren't extinct in our world. not in the slightest. unless they go extinct sometime in the future... but thats fantasy again and how could we tell if it is our world? also, saws aren't really that much of a technological advance. plenty of other worlds could have invented them.

don't get me wrong, it could very well be our world, but the evidence you give doesn't make that strong a case for it imo

I live in Virginia. According to some folks from around these here parts, there used to be wolves in the outlying hills. Centuries ago. No longer.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Bale, on 11 January 2011 - 12:31 AM, said:

Sinisdar Toste, on 11 January 2011 - 12:12 AM, said:

welllll, that depends what period of time they've travelled to. wolves aren't extinct in our world. not in the slightest. unless they go extinct sometime in the future... but thats fantasy again and how could we tell if it is our world? also, saws aren't really that much of a technological advance. plenty of other worlds could have invented them.

don't get me wrong, it could very well be our world, but the evidence you give doesn't make that strong a case for it imo

I live in Virginia. According to some folks from around these here parts, there used to be wolves in the outlying hills. Centuries ago. No longer.

well that raises another issue. depending on where your from, there might or might not be wolves. of course in virginia there are no longer wolves, it's in the middle of a highly urbanized area, but in canada there's still plenty of unspoiled wilderness, and wolves are, if not common, at least not extinct. i dno, i just think it's a big leap to make on the small amount of evidence that scene gives us.

[dktorode]

I actually remember thinking the same thing when i read this.

[Aptorian]

I think they travelled through time, not space.

[Thel Akai]

It was certainly an industrialized world, and one with buffalos and not bhedrin.. it did look a bit like our world, but the difference is that it had ghosts of animals all over the place and our world don't have any ghosts (unless you believe in dualism).

[Abyss]

I think SE's intent was a world analogous to the 'real world' in some respects, not an actual 'this is Earth' thing.

While it got a little fuzzy, i did enjoy that sequence. It gave Setoc a lot of interesting context.

[Ulrik]

Yup, IMO they went into SE´s future version of Earth, same idea struck me during reading...and after forgettin during reread

[D'iversify]

Abyss, on 11 January 2011 - 03:53 PM, said:

I think SE's intent was a world analogous to the 'real world' in some respects, not an actual 'this is Earth' thing.

While it got a little fuzzy, i did enjoy that sequence. It gave Setoc a lot of interesting context.

It could have been Earth, but it could easily have been a parallel world with similar levels of apex predator extinction and industrial pollution. I don't think it was a future Wu, though, as there's little to no evidence I can think of in Erikson of magic allowing physical, as opposed to spiritual, travel in time within a world without recourse to an external Warren, i.e. it usually goes Wu - time-bending Warren - Wu, rather than Wu - Past/Future Wu. It's not even really time travel really, just inter-Warren time distortion.

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[dktorode]

D, on 19 January 2011 - 09:01 AM, said:

Abyss, on 11 January 2011 - 03:53 PM, said:

I think SE's intent was a world analogous to the 'real world' in some respects, not an actual 'this is Earth' thing.

While it got a little fuzzy, i did enjoy that sequence. It gave Setoc a lot of interesting context.

It could have been Earth, but it could easily have been a parallel world with similar levels of apex predator extinction and industrial pollution. I don't think it was a future Wu, though, as there's little to no evidence I can think of in Erikson of magic allowing physical, as opposed to spiritual, travel in time within a world without recourse to an external Warren, i.e. it usually goes Wu - time-bending Warren - Wu, rather than Wu - Past/Future Wu. It's not even really time travel really, just inter-Warren time distortion.

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[iRFNA]

What about the eres'al? She be rapin' errbody through all of time. Sounds pretty physical.

[Sinisdar Toste]

but she's an anomaly, if Ruin can be believed, nobody knows how teh feck she does that shit

[chaosek]

Hmm, if wolves go extinct in the (Malazan) future and nature gets a beating presumably by humans, it makes you wonder which side the wolves of winter are on.