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RIght near the end, in Malaz Bay, some guy gets reeled in off a fisherman's line, and springs awake and demands to be taken to Unta.
Do you have any theories?
The first thing that came to my mind was Ruthan Gudd. How amazing would it be to have him appear in Unta and rally some force to send aid to Tavore Paran in Kolanse by warren.
Another thought was perhaps it was Rillish, sent home by Devaleth, but that seems a dramatic way to travel by warren, waking up half dead in some fishing boat in Malaz Harbour does not sound a lot to me like the kind of transportation an Imperial Fist would be privy to.
Greymane perhaps? The description did not name him a remarkably big man, just a man. Thats why I lean towards Ruthan Gudd.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 02:22 AM
Rillish. The Stormriders took him there, then he made his way home. Yes, I thought it was cliched as all hell too.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 02:24 AM
Ditto. From Unta to his house where Talia, he, and his baby boy all come together to group hug.
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 02:48 AM
i dont remember rillish talking to the stormriders tho...I thought it was graymane, but then why would he want to go to unta?
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 02:58 AM
nobody talked to the stormriders, at least not on screen, which honestly would have made the book better. rillish wants to go to unta becoz he is untan. talia and the small farm that we see him leave at the start of the book can't be far from there
edit: just realized that you were referring to when greymane was given the sword. even still.
edit: just realized that you were referring to when greymane was given the sword. even still.
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 03:58 PM
Just restating upthread but it was definitely Rillish.
The how and why of it... it seems unlikely he was just carried there by mundane currents and whatever given how frikkin cold it was supposed to be, so I go with a Stormrider save, either as general gratitude for the Malazan invasion, or at Greymane's request.
It seems we're unlikely to get the specifics, altho i was surprised to see Rillish again post-RCG, so maybe he'll pop up in a future ICE book and fill in the blanks.
The how and why of it... it seems unlikely he was just carried there by mundane currents and whatever given how frikkin cold it was supposed to be, so I go with a Stormrider save, either as general gratitude for the Malazan invasion, or at Greymane's request.
It seems we're unlikely to get the specifics, altho i was surprised to see Rillish again post-RCG, so maybe he'll pop up in a future ICE book and fill in the blanks.
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Posted 11 January 2011 - 07:45 PM
Abyss, on 10 January 2011 - 03:58 PM, said:
Just restating upthread but it was definitely Rillish.
The how and why of it... it seems unlikely he was just carried there by mundane currents and whatever given how frikkin cold it was supposed to be, so I go with a Stormrider save, either as general gratitude for the Malazan invasion, or at Greymane's request.
It seems we're unlikely to get the specifics, altho i was surprised to see Rillish again post-RCG, so maybe he'll pop up in a future ICE book and fill in the blanks.
The how and why of it... it seems unlikely he was just carried there by mundane currents and whatever given how frikkin cold it was supposed to be, so I go with a Stormrider save, either as general gratitude for the Malazan invasion, or at Greymane's request.
It seems we're unlikely to get the specifics, altho i was surprised to see Rillish again post-RCG, so maybe he'll pop up in a future ICE book and fill in the blanks.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 10:05 AM
surely Rillish came back on the same boat/fleet as Suth? (though why the Malazan army didn't stay to finish the new conquest I couldn't fathom)
I vote for Greymane. He knocked down the stormwall so I reckoned the Stormriders saved him
I vote for Greymane. He knocked down the stormwall so I reckoned the Stormriders saved him
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:45 PM
Quint, on 13 January 2011 - 05:43 AM, said:
nah greymane was definately seen by those guys in the ring under the water holding that sword. dead or alive i dont know
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:13 PM
Raatchi, on 12 January 2011 - 10:05 AM, said:
surely Rillish came back on the same boat/fleet as Suth? (though why the Malazan army didn't stay to finish the new conquest I couldn't fathom)
I vote for Greymane. He knocked down the stormwall so I reckoned the Stormriders saved him
I vote for Greymane. He knocked down the stormwall so I reckoned the Stormriders saved him
after the landslide, rillish somehow got within the sphere of the little girl avatar of the lady's power and ended up being pitched off the side of the cliff.
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Posted 14 January 2011 - 09:03 AM
@Quint: re-read that bit with the guys in the Ring and yeah, that sounds like Greymane. agreed.
But don't remember Rillish being pitched off a cliff, will re-read that bit again. I'd just assumed he went home with the rest of the expeditionary force.
But don't remember Rillish being pitched off a cliff, will re-read that bit again. I'd just assumed he went home with the rest of the expeditionary force.
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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:04 PM
Yup, Rillish was knocked into the sea because he touched the girl who was possessed by the Lady, and got a bit supernaturally buggered, to put none too fine a point on it. He fell into the Fist Sea, and Peles got angry and went a bit beast-mode on the Chosen she was fighting.
And since he had been given back his family lands near Unta in return for returning to the army, it could probably be assumed it was Rillish - how the hell he floated all the way to Malaz Island, however, is another question entirely........
And since he had been given back his family lands near Unta in return for returning to the army, it could probably be assumed it was Rillish - how the hell he floated all the way to Malaz Island, however, is another question entirely........
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Posted 14 January 2011 - 03:12 PM
caladanbrood, on 14 January 2011 - 03:04 PM, said:
Yup, Rillish was knocked into the sea because he touched the girl who was possessed by the Lady, and got a bit supernaturally buggered, to put none too fine a point on it. He fell into the Fist Sea, and Peles got angry and went a bit beast-mode on the Chosen she was fighting.
And since he had been given back his family lands near Unta in return for returning to the army, it could probably be assumed it was Rillish - how the hell he floated all the way to Malaz Island, however, is another question entirely........
And since he had been given back his family lands near Unta in return for returning to the army, it could probably be assumed it was Rillish - how the hell he floated all the way to Malaz Island, however, is another question entirely........
He obviously floated north towards Dorik, got swept down that river into the Pirate's Sea, floated north some more, somehow avoiding the coast and going through the narrow strait there to enter Reacher's Ocean, then floating north-west, clearing or going round the Storin reef and finally washing up on Malaz Island. See? Totally plausible.
Nah, I assume the Stormriders gave him a little push, directing him by said route or more likely just depositing him there by warren. That's a long time to not be conscious by regular travel. Since they couldn't know where he lived, only knew he was Malazan, and were probably still situated mostly around Reacher's Ocean and the Sea of Storms, I imagine they simply deposited him in the one place they had encountered the Malazans on land before - Malaz Island.
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Posted 14 January 2011 - 10:01 PM
Finished this last night and I think it was Rillish. The fisherman also indicates seeing something bright flash beneath the boat before Rillish pops up. He does'nt think it's a stormrider because it's " not the season".
The idea that it's Hiam is interesting, but what's tickling my pickle at the moment is the interrogation of Suth by Devaleth and her inquiry as to whether anyone actually touched the chest, not the girl. Before he topples over the edge Rillish's eyes roll and he mongs out. This could be due to him touching the chest and may come into play later. On a more sinister note WTF happened to Faro after he greased the priest ?
As Rel's claw presence on the expedition is there a chance he touched the chest, or even tampered with it ? There was a lot going on and anything could have happened. Devaleth's insistence on finding out exactly what happened may have only been for Peles' - im sure she had the hots for Rillish- benefit, however Faro was a sneaky bastard with an agenda and Gheven saying he still felt The Lady's presence may not have been just referring to Skinner and his chums doing the old switcheroo at The Tower.
The idea that it's Hiam is interesting, but what's tickling my pickle at the moment is the interrogation of Suth by Devaleth and her inquiry as to whether anyone actually touched the chest, not the girl. Before he topples over the edge Rillish's eyes roll and he mongs out. This could be due to him touching the chest and may come into play later. On a more sinister note WTF happened to Faro after he greased the priest ?
As Rel's claw presence on the expedition is there a chance he touched the chest, or even tampered with it ? There was a lot going on and anything could have happened. Devaleth's insistence on finding out exactly what happened may have only been for Peles' - im sure she had the hots for Rillish- benefit, however Faro was a sneaky bastard with an agenda and Gheven saying he still felt The Lady's presence may not have been just referring to Skinner and his chums doing the old switcheroo at The Tower.
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Posted 18 January 2011 - 07:00 PM
masan, on 14 January 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:
Finished this last night and I think it was Rillish. The fisherman also indicates seeing something bright flash beneath the boat before Rillish pops up. He does'nt think it's a stormrider because it's " not the season".
The idea that it's Hiam is interesting, but what's tickling my pickle at the moment is the interrogation of Suth by Devaleth and her inquiry as to whether anyone actually touched the chest, not the girl. Before he topples over the edge Rillish's eyes roll and he mongs out. This could be due to him touching the chest and may come into play later. On a more sinister note WTF happened to Faro after he greased the priest ?
As Rel's claw presence on the expedition is there a chance he touched the chest, or even tampered with it ? There was a lot going on and anything could have happened. Devaleth's insistence on finding out exactly what happened may have only been for Peles' - im sure she had the hots for Rillish- benefit, however Faro was a sneaky bastard with an agenda and Gheven saying he still felt The Lady's presence may not have been just referring to Skinner and his chums doing the old switcheroo at The Tower.
The idea that it's Hiam is interesting, but what's tickling my pickle at the moment is the interrogation of Suth by Devaleth and her inquiry as to whether anyone actually touched the chest, not the girl. Before he topples over the edge Rillish's eyes roll and he mongs out. This could be due to him touching the chest and may come into play later. On a more sinister note WTF happened to Faro after he greased the priest ?
As Rel's claw presence on the expedition is there a chance he touched the chest, or even tampered with it ? There was a lot going on and anything could have happened. Devaleth's insistence on finding out exactly what happened may have only been for Peles' - im sure she had the hots for Rillish- benefit, however Faro was a sneaky bastard with an agenda and Gheven saying he still felt The Lady's presence may not have been just referring to Skinner and his chums doing the old switcheroo at The Tower.
Interesting thought I didnt come up with on my own that Rillish may now be a sleeper agent for the lady...
So either
A) Stormriders take him there in some form of gratitude and make for the happy cheesy ending
B ) The Lady drags him out of danger to return to his former life only to later be used for some 'evil' purpose since he touched the chest when no one was supposed to.
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