[blackzoid]

According to this link:
http://www.tor.com/b...slemontanswered

ICE has finished this one.

Its called
Orb Sceptre, Throne


(Beat you to it Wert!)

[amphibian]

I really hope that the title gets changed. Orb, Scepter and Throne is very clunky.

One thing learned from the interview was that NoK and RotCG were written many years ago and then updated for the new publication deal that ICE got. SW is his first recent project and judging by the generally very positive reviews on here, he's improved since then. I was a bit leery at the quick turnaround time for the Darujhistan book, but he says he finished SW two years ago, so that's plenty of time to deliver a great book.

[Ceda Cicero]

Jesus God that title is awful.

[champ]

great news on the novellas and the fact that darujhistan book is finished... cannot wait for either!

[End of Disc One]

The title is fine; Esselmont's books are unlikely to reach out to new readers anyway. I just can't wait for this book!

[Ceda Cicero]

End of Disc One, on 15 December 2010 - 06:51 PM, said:

The title is fine; Esselmont's books are unlikely to reach out to new readers anyway. I just can't wait for this book!

Regardless of whether or not the title is accessible I still think it sounds awkward as hell. BUT, I can't wait either.

[Ulrik]

Well...I like the title...Im weird...probably...

[Abyss]

The title is perfect. (tho i'm pretty sure it's missing a comma)

And that's excellent news. we could even get post TCG but still next year. Not that i'm complaining if it's the following year. between ICE and SE we should continue to get a yearly fix of Malazan and that's fine with moi!

[Salt-Man Z]

I like it, though I assume there's another comma in there. Orb, Sceptre, Throne. Interesting that those are three of the Unaligned cards in the Deck.

[Aptorian]

AHA! Found this comment among the answers where Esslemont is talking about the face off in NoK:

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But I will say that one of my favourite moments, and I believe Steve’s, is approached by Knives. It’s the moment Laseen takes the empire and Kellanved and Dancer have been usurped to journey on to an uncertain, but perhaps greater, future. They lie wet and dying on the shore and Kellanved howls: Noooooo! We laughed so much when we played the moment. It’s still one of my favourites.

This may possibly just have been the scenario during their original playthroughs, but I will take that as proof that they were not dead when they fell of the balcony.

As for the Darujistan Novel. I really like the Orb, Scepter, Throne title. For the uninitiated it may sound weird, but for any Malazan fan, that name is packed with secrets and power.

I seem to recall that K'rul was connected with one of thos ecards, was it Orb? Any other references that people can remember?

[champ]

Jenisapt Rul, on 15 December 2010 - 07:54 PM, said:

AHA! Found this comment among the answers where Esslemont is talking about the face off in NoK:

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But I will say that one of my favourite moments, and I believe Steve's, is approached by Knives. It's the moment Laseen takes the empire and Kellanved and Dancer have been usurped to journey on to an uncertain, but perhaps greater, future. They lie wet and dying on the shore and Kellanved howls: Noooooo! We laughed so much when we played the moment. It's still one of my favourites.

This may possibly just have been the scenario during their original playthroughs, but I will take that as proof that they were not dead when they fell of the balcony.

As for the Darujistan Novel. I really like the Orb, Scepter, Throne title. For the uninitiated it may sound weird, but for any Malazan fan, that name is packed with secrets and power.

I seem to recall that K'rul was connected with one of thos ecards, was it Orb? Any other references that people can remember?

Off the top of my head, weren't the three nachts drawn these cards and also Grub/Gesler drawn one of these cards in Lether...

Whilst typing that remembered I posted about this somewhere... And found...

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Liked the fact that Gesler got the Orb, maybe to keep his ego in check! normally given to a monarch to remind them that there is a higher power than him or her out there (applic to Gods or KCCM?!?)

and

The sceptre for Grub, back in the day it was a token of the monarchs earthly power, highly significant for how his magic has developed

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In reference to Darujhistan... Got to be with regards to The Tyrant!!!

This post has been edited by champooon: 15 December 2010 - 08:10 PM

[Steve Halter]

Jenisapt Rul, on 15 December 2010 - 07:54 PM, said:

AHA! Found this comment among the answers where Esslemont is talking about the face off in NoK:

Quote

But I will say that one of my favourite moments, and I believe Steve's, is approached by Knives. It's the moment Laseen takes the empire and Kellanved and Dancer have been usurped to journey on to an uncertain, but perhaps greater, future. They lie wet and dying on the shore and Kellanved howls: Noooooo! We laughed so much when we played the moment. It's still one of my favourites.

This may possibly just have been the scenario during their original playthroughs, but I will take that as proof that they were not dead when they fell of the balcony.

That's how I read that answer, also. They were lying at the base, gravely damaged. I had asked just how dead they were earlier in the answer thread and his reply also seemed to indicate that they were only dead enough to weaken the bonds of the spirit.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Jenisapt Rul, on 15 December 2010 - 07:54 PM, said:

AHA! Found this comment among the answers where Esslemont is talking about the face off in NoK:

Quote

But I will say that one of my favourite moments, and I believe Steve's, is approached by Knives. It's the moment Laseen takes the empire and Kellanved and Dancer have been usurped to journey on to an uncertain, but perhaps greater, future. They lie wet and dying on the shore and Kellanved howls: Noooooo! We laughed so much when we played the moment. It's still one of my favourites.

This may possibly just have been the scenario during their original playthroughs, but I will take that as proof that they were not dead when they fell of the balcony.

As for the Darujistan Novel. I really like the Orb, Scepter, Throne title. For the uninitiated it may sound weird, but for any Malazan fan, that name is packed with secrets and power.

I seem to recall that K'rul was connected with one of thos ecards, was it Orb? Any other references that people can remember?

In GotM K'rul tells Raest that his aspect was Obelisk. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?

[Aptorian]

Hmm. Maybe. But Obelisk is supposed to be the Tile for Burn isn't it?

[Abyss]

re St/Cots - we know enough from NoK to safely say they were never really dead dead in the dead sense, but they had to appear to be.

re O/S/T - mandatory reminder that a card linked to a person in a Deck of Dragons reading does not mean that card is permanently associated with the person.

[Salt-Man Z]

Abyss, on 15 December 2010 - 09:09 PM, said:

re St/Cots - we know enough from NoK to safely say they were never really dead dead in the dead sense, but they had to appear to be.

There's nothing in NoK that says ("safely") that Laseen didn't actually kill them. In NoK, being dead didn't stop you from walking around during the Shadow Moon (see: Oleg, and Ash's compatriot.) So if entering Shadowkeep through the Deadhouse required being dead but not yet through Hood's Gate, then the Shadow Moon was the only time to pull off what ST/Cots did.

[Khellendros]

Well!!

How do we react to the news that SW was completed two years ago? For me, that makes the book quite a bit more disappointing, as he then supposedly had two years to flesh it out a bit, especially something along the lines of this:

On being asked by someone who hadn't yet read RotCG or SW if he was going to write more about the Stormriders, he said:

"Well, well, well. Stonewielder is the novel for you! (Though I would recommend you tackle it after Return). I’m very glad to hear that the Riders interested you. If you do get to Stonewielder my hope is that you will come away musing: ahh! So that’s how it all fits together…. Actually, that’s our hope for every novel in the series come to think about it."

"aah! That's how it all fits together..." was certainly not my first thought on reading SW.


I am still overjoyed to hear that the Darujhistan novel is already done, though - can't wait for my fix!

AND! Did everyone else catch that he wants to do early Empire novellas! That's just what was being talked about in another thread here in which people were saying what they'd most like to see written about now!

[Abyss]

Salt-Man Z, on 15 December 2010 - 09:30 PM, said:

Abyss, on 15 December 2010 - 09:09 PM, said:

re St/Cots - we know enough from NoK to safely say they were never really dead dead in the dead sense, but they had to appear to be.

There's nothing in NoK that says ("safely") that Laseen didn't actually kill them. In NoK, being dead didn't stop you from walking around during the Shadow Moon (see: Oleg, and Ash's compatriot.) So if entering Shadowkeep through the Deadhouse required being dead but not yet through Hood's Gate, then the Shadow Moon was the only time to pull off what ST/Cots did.

But then there would have been a bodies as was w Oleg (iirc).

[Steve Halter]

Khellendros, on 16 December 2010 - 11:35 AM, said:

Well!!

How do we react to the news that SW was completed two years ago?

We react that books take a long time in post production before they finally reach readers.

[amphibian]

Steve Halter, on 16 December 2010 - 07:35 PM, said:

We react that books take a long time in post production before they finally reach readers.

Not so. Five months is probably an average turnaround between handing in the final manuscript and actual publication of the book.

Having two years between finishing the writing and publication of the book usually means that the book was either shelved or that the post-writing process was very long. Judging from ICE's comments, the first is more likely.