[bonzihunter]

I read the entire book but I forget if we were ever given an answer:

Spoiler

How does the moon get shattered? I assume it has something to do with those jade statues flying through space from the realm of chaos?

[Bauchelain the Evil]

The jade giants hit the moon. But it's nothing major. Force of gravity makes sure that the moon reassembles itself.

[Abyss]

bonzihunter, on 07 December 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:

I read the entire book but I forget if we were ever given an answer:

Spoiler

How does the moon get shattered? I assume it has something to do with those jade statues flying through space from the realm of chaos?

No need for spoilers in the forum for the book you're discussing...

It appears that Jade chunks from wherever (we don't know other than Heboric dreamed them falling through a massive gate/rift/tear back in HoC and TB) struck the moon and caused it to shatter.

The effect of the beams of light at the finale makes me wonder whether whoever was behind the Hounds of Light didn't give it a push.

[bonzihunter]

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No need for spoilers in the forum for the book you're discussing...

Yeah I didn't think so but wanted to play it safe to avoid getting flamed.

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It appears that Jade chunks from wherever (we don't know other than Heboric dreamed them falling through a massive gate/rift/tear back in HoC and TB) struck the moon and caused it to shatter.

Ok that's what I thought. I'm pretty sure that those jade figures are from the realm of chaos where the Crippled God came from. Something I read in TTH gave me a pretty strong impression that that was the case, but I can't remember for sure.

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The effect of the beams of light at the finale makes me wonder whether whoever was behind the Hounds of Light didn't give it a push.

I must've missed that but good point!

[bonzihunter]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 07 December 2010 - 10:47 AM, said:

The jade giants hit the moon. But it's nothing major. Force of gravity makes sure that the moon reassembles itself.

Whaaaa? When does it mention that the moon reassembles itself? If it's in DoD please don' bother telling me as I'm reading that book right now and don't want any spoilers!

[Aptorian]

It's mentioned that the pieces fell back on themselves towards the end of TTH. Gravity played its part in that.

How ever I wouldn't call AN ENTIRE MOON BLOWING UP nothing major. That's pretty fucking major in the grand scheme of things.

This post has been edited by Jenisapt Rul: 07 December 2010 - 06:02 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

well it's not really talked about, but the force of gravity would cause the larger pieces to collapse back upon each other. it's not reassembled, but it is still in the same general locality

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Jenisapt Rul, on 07 December 2010 - 06:02 PM, said:

It's mentioned that the pieces fell back on themselves towards the end of TTH. Gravity played its part in that.

How ever I wouldn't call AN ENTIRE MOON BLOWING UP nothing major. That's pretty fucking major in the grand scheme of things.

I menat nothing major as in "it's not that the world becomes moonless". Of course a moon exploding is a huge cataclysm.

This post has been edited by Bauchelain the Evil: 07 December 2010 - 07:20 PM

[Abyss]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 07 December 2010 - 07:20 PM, said:

Jenisapt Rul, on 07 December 2010 - 06:02 PM, said:

It's mentioned that the pieces fell back on themselves towards the end of TTH. Gravity played its part in that.

How ever I wouldn't call AN ENTIRE MOON BLOWING UP nothing major. That's pretty fucking major in the grand scheme of things.

I menat nothing major as in "it's not that the world becomes moonless". Of course a moon exploding is a huge cataclysm.

oh whatever, they still have like three more...

[End of Disc One]

Abyss, on 07 December 2010 - 03:05 PM, said:

bonzihunter, on 07 December 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:

I read the entire book but I forget if we were ever given an answer:

Spoiler

How does the moon get shattered? I assume it has something to do with those jade statues flying through space from the realm of chaos?

No need for spoilers in the forum for the book you're discussing...

It appears that Jade chunks from wherever (we don't know other than Heboric dreamed them falling through a massive gate/rift/tear back in HoC and TB) struck the moon and caused it to shatter.

The effect of the beams of light at the finale makes me wonder whether whoever was behind the Hounds of Light didn't give it a push.

That's a good idea, with someone giving it a push. I always just assumed that part was like "shit's going down in Darujhistan, and btw the fucking moon exploded." Like it was just there to increase the epicness.

[ansible]

Abyss, on 07 December 2010 - 07:56 PM, said:

Bauchelain the Evil, on 07 December 2010 - 07:20 PM, said:

Jenisapt Rul, on 07 December 2010 - 06:02 PM, said:

It's mentioned that the pieces fell back on themselves towards the end of TTH. Gravity played its part in that.

How ever I wouldn't call AN ENTIRE MOON BLOWING UP nothing major. That's pretty fucking major in the grand scheme of things.

I menat nothing major as in "it's not that the world becomes moonless". Of course a moon exploding is a huge cataclysm.

oh whatever, they still have like three more...

I always loved this little tidbit from Kuru Qan.

[Zalexis]

Abyss, on 07 December 2010 - 03:05 PM, said:

bonzihunter, on 07 December 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:

I read the entire book but I forget if we were ever given an answer:

Spoiler

How does the moon get shattered? I assume it has something to do with those jade statues flying through space from the realm of chaos?

No need for spoilers in the forum for the book you're discussing...

It appears that Jade chunks from wherever (we don't know other than Heboric dreamed them falling through a massive gate/rift/tear back in HoC and TB) struck the moon and caused it to shatter.

The effect of the beams of light at the finale makes me wonder whether whoever was behind the Hounds of Light didn't give it a push.

Whoaaa...hold on! Could you please clarify that bit about Jade chunks? Maybe it's because I was starting to drift off to sleep as I finished the book last night, but I don't remember anything about Jade. Anyone have a quote? Does this have anything to do with Heboric? It's funny, because I just finshed reading the prologue to DoD, and Heboric makes a cameo for the first time in ages.

[MTS]

Zalexis, on 13 January 2011 - 12:00 PM, said:

Abyss, on 07 December 2010 - 03:05 PM, said:

bonzihunter, on 07 December 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:

I read the entire book but I forget if we were ever given an answer:

Spoiler

How does the moon get shattered? I assume it has something to do with those jade statues flying through space from the realm of chaos?

No need for spoilers in the forum for the book you're discussing...

It appears that Jade chunks from wherever (we don't know other than Heboric dreamed them falling through a massive gate/rift/tear back in HoC and TB) struck the moon and caused it to shatter.

The effect of the beams of light at the finale makes me wonder whether whoever was behind the Hounds of Light didn't give it a push.

Whoaaa...hold on! Could you please clarify that bit about Jade chunks? Maybe it's because I was starting to drift off to sleep as I finished the book last night, but I don't remember anything about Jade. Anyone have a quote? Does this have anything to do with Heboric? It's funny, because I just finshed reading the prologue to DoD, and Heboric makes a cameo for the first time in ages.

Here's the bit about the Jade chunks.

BH:

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Blinking, Mappo Runt pushed himself upright, and saw that the sky was on fire – almost directly above them. As if the sun had spawned a host of children, a string of incandescent pearls, their flames wreathed in haloes of jade. Growing... descending. What are those?

TTH:

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The moon died and, in dying, began its torturous rebirth. The cosmos is indifferent to the petty squabbles of what crawls, what whimpers, what bleeds and what breathes. It has flung out its fates on the strands of immutable laws, and in the swirling unravelling of millions of years, tens of millions, each fate will out. In its time, it will out. Something massive had arrived from the depths of the blackness beyond and struck the moon a short time back. An initial eruption from the impact had briefly showered the moon’s companion world with fragments, but it was the shock wave that delivered the stricken moon’s death knell, and this took time. Deep in the core, vast tides of energy opened immense fissures. Concussive forces shattered the crust. Energy was absorbed until nothing more could be borne. The moon blew apart.
Leave it to the flit of eager minds to find prophetic significance. The cosmos does not care. The fates will not crack a smile.
From a thousand sources, now, reflected sunlight danced wild upon the blue, green and ochre world far below. Shadows were devoured, darkness flushed away. Night itself broke into fragments.
In the city of Darujhistan, light was everywhere, like a god’s fingers. Brushing, prodding, poking, driving down into alleys that had never seen the sun. And each assault shattered darkness and shadow both. Each invasion ignited, in a proclamation of power.
Dearest serendipity, yet not an opportunity to be ignored, no. Not on this night. Not in the city of Darujhistan.

And for what it's worth, I think Abyss is right about the light. There's many references to a Light vs. Dark struggle in the context of the moon, and the explosion of the moon itself causes Black Coral to find itself under siege. It's also hinted at that this person was behind the Dying God as well. Who this person could be is doing my head in. Dragon in the prologue? Having Yedan confront him, a defender of the First Shore against the Light, dovetails with all this quite nicely. Anyway, the evidence.

BH:

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The misshapen moon now cast down a silvery light on the land – it was looking rougher round the edges, Kalam realized, as if the surrounding darkness was gnawing at it – he wondered that he’d not noticed before. Had it always been like that?

TTH:

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The moon had finally clambered free of the horizon — but it was...Queen of Dreams—
‘Shattered,’ Karsa said. ‘The moon has shattered. Faces in the Rock, what has happened?’
What rose now into the sky was a mass of fragments, torn apart amidst a cloud of thin rings of dust. It had expanded in its eruption and was now twice its normal size. Huge chunks were visibly spiralling away from the centre. The light it cast was sickly yet astonishingly bright.

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The continent-sized fragments of the shattered moon sent reflected sunlight down upon the world. The fabric of Night, closed so tight about the city of Black Coral, began at last to fray.
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Yes, he had held back the sea. He had made Moon’s Spawn into a single held breath that had lasted months. But now, ah, now, his Lord bad asked him to hold back Light itself.

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Storm of light, a scattered moon, a rising sun behind bruised clouds from which brown, foul rain poured down, Black Coral was a city under siege, and the Tiste Andii within it could now at last feel the death of their Lord, and with him the death of their world.

This post has been edited by MTS: 13 January 2011 - 02:40 PM

[Zalexis]

Thansk for the quotes, MTS. I particularly remember the second, longest quote describing the moon's destruction. I took this to simply mean it was a random, normal violent cosmic event that caused the moon's destruciton. Such as asteroids, for example. I still don't see how anyone could tie it in with the Jade fragments. That's Erikson for you, though. Makes you look deep.
Thanks again.

[MTS]

Zalexis, on 13 January 2011 - 03:18 PM, said:

Thansk for the quotes, MTS. I particularly remember the second, longest quote describing the moon's destruction. I took this to simply mean it was a random, normal violent cosmic event that caused the moon's destruciton. Such as asteroids, for example. I still don't see how anyone could tie it in with the Jade fragments. That's Erikson for you, though. Makes you look deep.
Thanks again.

On its own TTH doesn't make any explicit connections with the Jade in regards to the moon exploding, but taking into account the events regarding the moon in BH, and the fact the Jade was definitely involved, and the connection is more clear.

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Something massive had arrived from the depths of the blackness beyond and struck the moon a short time back.

There's not many other things this could point to, and an asteroid or meteor is too random. Why include it if it's just a regular clash of cosmic bodies?

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'An initial eruption from the impact had briefly showered the moon’s companion world with fragments.'

See the first quote from the BH in my previous post.

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'but it was the shock wave that delivered the stricken moon’s death knell, and this took time.'

So the moon didn't explode in BH because such things don't happen immediately, and the pressure turned out to be too much by TTH, and so the moon went kaboom. What it means in the larger picture I'm very eager to find out.

This post has been edited by MTS: 13 January 2011 - 11:02 PM

[Blueiron]

You are all wrong. It is revealed subtley in MT when Kuru Qan is talking about the other moons he sees in his telescope, and he says

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gods below... that's no moon!

[Roldom]

great catch blue iron, i love the idea that quru kan saw this coming

[Rhaeldric]

Blueiron, on 20 February 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

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gods below... that's no moon!

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