[QuickTidal]

Okay, just finishing up with this one.

A HUGE improvement over TPOD for me.

First off..MAT! BIG GIANT AWESOME CHAPTERS avec Mat!

Sorry....lol

Okay.

The good:

Enter Tuon, fabled, prophesied, shaved head, Mat's future wife, Daughter Of The Nine Moons..and she's cool. She's not crazy cool, just kind of cool. The revelation scene where the other Seanchan realize he's basically nabbed her was pretty hilarious.

Perrin's chapters aren't as bad as they could be and overall he didn't annoy like he's been doing of late.

Rand is still crazy as shit, but now he's added his 3 sexed up ladies. Bonding to all three of them eh? Sigh. Rand. You're dreaming if you think this is gonna work.

Elayne....wowzers, that was kinda...slutty of her. Not in a bad way, in a...that's kinda hot how she asked for help getting her dress off, way.

Nynaeve! Yay, she continues to impress me everytime she's onscreen. Loves it!

Rand killing off most of the traitorous Asha'man, which was something I was glad to finally be cleared up.

The Bad:

Faile's chapters, while not horrible, did still kind of grate on me.

There were a few long chapters that seemed mostly filler.

Anything to do with the Sea Folk. I don't care. I hate the Sea Folk.

I am still not gonna buy this way that Jordan keeps trying to tell me that the Seanchan slavery thing is not so bad and even through that chapter with Tuon where it almost feels as if there is an attempt at justification (or it's not so bad). I am fully aware that the point is to make the Seanchan seem less bad in lieu of the Dark One and Forsaken ect...but still.

The AWESOME:

Hands down, best scene in the whole damned book. Lan and Rand escaping and Lan slipping. When Lan says to let him go and Rand says "When the sun turns green"....man, Rand earned A LOT of brownie point for that. Such heroics! LOVED it.

Also, Cleansing saidin! Whoa. That's pretty damn cool, and something I was under the impression would not happen. Not that I didn't see it coming....but that I felt Jordan enjoyed his whole "The male half drives you insane if you use it" thing too much to let it go away. Colour me pleased though as it's a nice turn of events.

That's pretty much it for this one. Much more meat in this one, thought there was still filler. Enjoyed though.



Now, onto the book that everyone deems is the worst time-waster of the bunch.

*must fight urge to have Illy tell me the big plot development so I can skip it*

[Illuyankas]

Well, if you'd rather not have it spoiled, then don't look in here.

Spoiler

Seriously.

Spoiler

You can read the book if you want.

Spoiler

It's up to you whether you'd like to.

Spoiler

Still want to see?

Spoiler

LAST CHANCE

Spoiler

OK seriously though, you can reconsider.

Spoiler

No pressure.

Spoiler

It's just the next book is really boring.

Spoiler

ALRIGHTY, HERE WE GO

Spoiler

THIS IS IT

Spoiler

OK, so there are two small things that might qualify as plot points but only really effect two minor scenes - 1. Perrin agrees to meet with the Seanchan in order to help get his wife back, and 2. Tuon asks Mat if he remembers Artur Hawkwing's face, which he does and completely fails at hiding. THE main plot point is that Egwene and Leane go and turn the harbour chains of Tar Valon into cuendaliririrar, but Egwene gets spotted and captured by the White Tower. That's it. Really.

No, seriously. Nothing else of worth happens in the rest of the book. Hell, the first solid half is people's reactions to the cleansing of saidin (and almost uniformly 'OH NO THE DARK ONE/FORSAKEN ARE UP TO SHENANIGANS, BETTER START DOING NOTHING EVEN FASTER'). This book was written pretty much to pad out the series and everything in it could have been folded into other books. It doesn't need to exist, and personally shouldn't exist. But that's my opinion, and like all my opinions are, IT IS FACTUALLY CORRECT

oh god spoiler doesn't even make sense as a word anymore

This post has been edited by Illuyankas: 02 December 2010 - 05:28 PM

[End of Disc One]

Illuyankas, on 02 December 2010 - 05:27 PM, said:

Well, if you'd rather not have it spoiled, then don't look in here.

Spoiler

Seriously.

Spoiler

You can read the book if you want.

Spoiler

It's up to you whether you'd like to.

Spoiler

Still want to see?

Spoiler

LAST CHANCE

Spoiler

OK seriously though, you can reconsider.

Spoiler

No pressure.

Spoiler

It's just the next book is really boring.

Spoiler

ALRIGHTY, HERE WE GO

Spoiler

THIS IS IT

Spoiler

OK, so there are two small things that might qualify as plot points but only really effect two minor scenes - 1. Perrin agrees to meet with the Seanchan in order to help get his wife back, and 2. Tuon asks Mat if he remembers Artur Hawkwing's face, which he does and completely fails at hiding. THE main plot point is that Egwene and Leane go and turn the harbour chains of Tar Valon into cuendaliririrar, but Egwene gets spotted and captured by the White Tower. That's it. Really.

No, seriously. Nothing else of worth happens in the rest of the book. Hell, the first solid half is people's reactions to the cleansing of saidin (and almost uniformly 'OH NO THE DARK ONE/FORSAKEN ARE UP TO SHENANIGANS, BETTER START DOING NOTHING EVEN FASTER'). This book was written pretty much to pad out the series and everything in it could have been folded into other books. It doesn't need to exist, and personally shouldn't exist. But that's my opinion, and like all my opinions are, IT IS FACTUALLY CORRECT

oh god spoiler doesn't even make sense as a word anymore

Spoiler

I remember a half page of action somewhere in the middle of the book. Something to do with darkfriends whom I didn't even recognize.

[D'iversify]

Wow, even less happens in CoT than I thought. Must have been bits of WH & KoD spilling over into it in my mind to fill the void of empty verbiage.

[QuickTidal]

Question:

As of WH, now that Saidin is cleansed....do men still need to "seize" it?

[Illuyankas]

Yep, though it's a lot more palatable now the Marmite Dark One's Taint Marmite (I was right the first time) has been removed.

[QuickTidal]

Illuyankas, on 02 December 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:

Yep, though it's a lot more palatable now the Marmite Dark One's Taint Marmite (I was right the first time) has been removed.

Hehe. Marmite. LOL

[Terez]

QuickTidal, on 02 December 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

Elayne....wowzers, that was kinda...slutty of her. Not in a bad way, in a...that's kinda hot how she asked for help getting her dress off, way.

Gah, I hate that word.

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Rand killing off most of the traitorous Asha'man, which was something I was glad to finally be cleared up.

lol.

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I am still not gonna buy this way that Jordan keeps trying to tell me that the Seanchan slavery thing is not so bad and even through that chapter with Tuon where it almost feels as if there is an attempt at justification (or it's not so bad). I am fully aware that the point is to make the Seanchan seem less bad in lieu of the Dark One and Forsaken ect...but still.

I don't think he's trying to make it seem as though slavery isn't bad at all. More like he's trying to show that not everyone who is brainwashed in a society with slavery is inherently evil.

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As of WH, now that Saidin is cleansed....do men still need to "seize" it?

Yup, it's the nature of saidin (which reflects some of RJ's old-fashioned gender views, but oh well).

Don't skip CoT. You read quick enough that it won't be an issue.

[QuickTidal]

Terez, on 02 December 2010 - 08:37 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 02 December 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

Elayne....wowzers, that was kinda...slutty of her. Not in a bad way, in a...that's kinda hot how she asked for help getting her dress off, way.

Gah, I hate that word.

I assume you mean slutty. Sorry. My gf and her friends call each other sluts as a way of taking the vitriol out of it...so I'm just used to hearing it.

Sorry, meant no offense.

[Terez]

QuickTidal, on 02 December 2010 - 10:31 PM, said:

Terez, on 02 December 2010 - 08:37 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 02 December 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

Elayne....wowzers, that was kinda...slutty of her. Not in a bad way, in a...that's kinda hot how she asked for help getting her dress off, way.

Gah, I hate that word.

I assume you mean slutty. Sorry. My gf and her friends call each other sluts as a way of taking the vitriol out of it...so I'm just used to hearing it.

Sorry, meant no offense.

It's okay. I know that girls invented the word. That doesn't make it any less vicious or discriminatory. It's part of why I hate the word.

[Terez]

So did CoT kill you or something? I would recommend Leigh Butler's re-read blog - she's covering CoT right now - but it includes spoilers up to book 13.

[QuickTidal]

Terez, on 13 December 2010 - 05:08 PM, said:

So did CoT kill you or something? I would recommend Leigh Butler's re-read blog - she's covering CoT right now - but it includes spoilers up to book 13.

Nope, not at all. After two WoT books in a row I took a break and read Return Of The Crimson Guard and I'm currently doing a Star Wars Fate Of The Jedi book....I'll likely be trying CoT later this week....but if it bests me I may just spoiler it for myself and skip onto KoD. LOL. I'm gonna try though, promise...

[Illuyankas]

I got you covered at the top there, so no worries.

[Terez]

The break is probably a really good idea - that way you can read COT and KOD as if they are one book. The one essentially sets up the other.

[QuickTidal]

Thanks folks, we'll see how it goes. I'm just excited to be getting TGS and TOM for Christmas hopefully!

[QuickTidal]

It doesn't get a thread.....CROSSROADS OF TWILIGHT that is.

100 pages and I wanted to shoot myself.

That's it Jordan, CoT gets 100 pages.

I've already read Illy's spoiler for the book, and I am satisfied I can go straight onto KoD without much annoyance.

Seriously I tried....If I read all of CoT it might put me off the series for a while...so it's better this way, trust me.

So onto KoD which I may be getting as a Christmas gift.

[Terez]

QuickTidal, on 20 December 2010 - 01:38 PM, said:

It doesn't get a thread.....CROSSROADS OF TWILIGHT that is.

100 pages and I wanted to shoot myself.

That's it Jordan, CoT gets 100 pages.

That's mostly prologue, right? I'd say it's pointless to sikp the whole book. Illy's summary was action-based, and action is not the only thing worth reading. Skip Perrin's chapters, and Elayne's if you like. I would suggest reading these chapters because they are both enjoyable and important:

1-3 Mat chapters
4 - This chapters is interesting and the character becomes very important later on.
10 - This chapter pretty much sums up Elayne's and Aviendha's importance in this book, and has some important info on the Rings of Rhuidean used by Moiraine in TFOH.
12 - Elayne makes a bargain with the Sea Folk that is important later.
13 - You meet the first four High Seats to support Elayne, one of whom is Rand's cousin.
14 - Important info on Elayne's pregnancy.
15 - Elenia POV, which is pretty informative.
16-20 - Egwene chapters, and good stuff despite the lack of action.
21 - Definitely read this. Just do it. Alviarin POV.
22 - Pevara POV. Very important.
23-24 - Cadsuane/Rand chapters (the only ones in the whole book besides the epilogue)
27 - A Perrin chapter, but definitely a must-read.
28-29 - Mat chapters
30 - Egwene chapter, very important.
Epilogue

All this is from memory based on the table of contents, but I think it's pretty accurate.

[QuickTidal]

Terez, on 20 December 2010 - 03:51 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 20 December 2010 - 01:38 PM, said:

It doesn't get a thread.....CROSSROADS OF TWILIGHT that is.

100 pages and I wanted to shoot myself.

That's it Jordan, CoT gets 100 pages.

That's mostly prologue, right? I'd say it's pointless to sikp the whole book. Illy's summary was action-based, and action is not the only thing worth reading. Skip Perrin's chapters, and Elayne's if you like. I would suggest reading these chapters because they are both enjoyable and important:

1-3 Mat chapters
4 - This chapters is interesting and the character becomes very important later on.
10 - This chapter pretty much sums up Elayne's and Aviendha's importance in this book, and has some important info on the Rings of Rhuidean used by Moiraine in TFOH.
12 - Elayne makes a bargain with the Sea Folk that is important later.
13 - You meet the first four High Seats to support Elayne, one of whom is Rand's cousin.
14 - Important info on Elayne's pregnancy.
15 - Elenia POV, which is pretty informative.
16-20 - Egwene chapters, and good stuff despite the lack of action.
21 - Definitely read this. Just do it. Alviarin POV.
22 - Pevara POV. Very important.
23-24 - Cadsuane/Rand chapters (the only ones in the whole book besides the epilogue)
27 - A Perrin chapter, but definitely a must-read.
28-29 - Mat chapters
30 - Egwene chapter, very important.
Epilogue

All this is from memory based on the table of contents, but I think it's pretty accurate.

I don't know if all this outweighs my urge to throw the damn thing across the room. LOL.

[Terez]

lol, it's up to you, obviously. If you want, you can scatter-read those chapters, the ones that look the most interesting. But Mat chapters are always enjoyable IMO, so that might be a good place to start. Or perhaps the one Perrin chapter I suggested.

[QuickTidal]

Though I do trust you somewhat in respect to WoT...so maybe I'll pick it up again....grrrr...it makes me so unhappy though. LOL