[Omtose]

I really need to get some sleep. I was hoping to get a bit more information before I had to go, but nothing lately has been of particular interest (when it comes to building a case). I almost feel like I'm grasping at straws here, but Ruse leaving without voting did strike me as odd. So:

Vote Ruse

If nothing else, his CF will prove useful.

Anyway, I'm off.

[Galain]

Well I'm not changing my vote now. I suspect I know why Ruse didn't vote... he probably didn't want to end up getting lynched over a vote, possibly a newer player. Regardless, it's a faction game and I see no reason to remove mine at this point.

Out for the night.

[Emurlahn]

im here for just under 2 hours, i might get back b4 the timer runs out, but ill vote just b4 i leave for work, not that theres anyone who i think deserves to be lynched outright now

[Tulas Shorn]

this gives Ruse 3, and Korabas 2.

i'm not sure about Ruse yet, but he seems like a fairly competent player

I think i'll go and

vote Rashan

kind of gut, really, but after reading his posts, I recall getting an irksome gut feeling.

seeing as i'm sleep deprived by this point, I'll stick with that for now.

[Emurlahn]

tulas posted saying he was open for arguments, then omtose asked tulas spercifcly about ruse, then i posted

tulas replied to my post, which was directed to the forum in general, but ignored omtose question about ruse and voted for the same person ruse has been having a bitch war with

tulas joins his vote with mockra, and wasnt there ment to be some link between rashan and mockra?

has tulas comented about rashans crazy play and ive missed it? is there a link between them, or am i clutching at straws?

[Emurlahn]

ignore the mockra part, id gotten him confused with someone else

[Emurlahn]

right, my weekend is about to start, i might be able to check in l8er but just in case i cant

Vote Ruse

because tulas didnt want to mention anything about him, and if theres a link, well its unlikly we can get a tulas lynch today

[Tulas Shorn]

this gives Ruse 3, and Korabas 2.

i'm not sure about Ruse yet, but he seems like a fairly competent player

I think i'll go and

vote Rashan

kind of gut, really, but after reading his posts, I recall getting an irksome gut feeling.

seeing as i'm sleep deprived by this point, I'll stick with that for now.

[Tulas Shorn]

Omtose, on 03 December 2010 - 05:53 AM, said:

What are your thoughts on Ruse, Tulas? Didn't place a vote down before he left for the night. My earlier beef with him was that, despite the pissing match with Rashan, he hadn't really posted much of anything, but since then he's came on and put an idea or two up of us own.

shit. did not see this,

and yes, i'm still up. I blame a friend who re-intordusced me to minesweeper.


hmmm


in respect to Ruse: I can see the merit in not voting, if you don't have a read on anyone's alignment.
given the fac that each side lost 1 player so far, and we have no idea what the numbers are like, I can see hesitation in a faction game.

that being said, i'm not covering for ruse, as Emu implied. In fact,

remove vote

vote RUse

because he IS an unknown to me, and I don't have any compunction against lynching him.

apologies for my lackadaisic play today, it was a busy day and i couldn't pay a lot of attention. tomorrow will be better.

okay, now, really bed.

[Tulas Shorn]

also, I have no idea how I managed to post that twice.

I glanced on my browser and the post was all typed out. I htought I didn't post it before. apparently I did.

PS don't erase it, just don't count the vote. otherwise this post will make no sense.

[Tulas Shorn]

by not count vote, I meant the second rashan vote... i still want the ruse vote to count, obviousl.y


fuck, i really need sleep

[Mockra]

How much time do we have left?

[Rashan]

i'm back after anights sleep. lots of activity to catch up on.

[Rashan]

despite me harping on about Ruse he actually has not voted for me. even though I keep calling him on things he has left me be vote wise.

[Rashan]

Mockra trying to lynch me even though i saved his sorry ass.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 11:00 PM, said:

just caught up, not particulrly impressed with ruse, his case on rashan that he promised was worthless, i actually agree with rashan, saying that alot of ruse's posts were simply to up his post count, i think the same could be said about tiam, silchas and kass, i didnt really get much info out of the catch up posts that those three posted...

updated name list for those who care, im begining to think it may be wasting my time to continue, thinkin PS might come up with a name for all of Yuan shaos 500k soldiers just to mess with me



Zhang xiu(leader

zhuge jin

Jia Xu


Huang Zhong (leader)
Liu Zong

Pang Tong
Wei Yan
Kuai Yue, a former advisor to Liu Biao, is dead. (Liosan and High Mage Quick Ben)
Wei Xu's


Yuan shao(leader)Xiang River
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang

Wen Chou

Lü Kuang

Lü Xiang

Yang Dajang, chief officer of personnel of Yuan Shao's forces, is dead. (Serc and Lisheo

Peng Ji,

Zhang Yun

thanks for this, i'm losing track of all the players mentioned, i have them written down on various pages with links to each other but applying them to people on here is tough!

[Rashan]

Mockra, on 02 December 2010 - 11:53 PM, said:

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 09:19 PM, said:

i'm on for a little bit, i'll catch up, have just seen that vote from Mockra. what a cheeky get, i went to bed last night and said to my girlfriend, "i'm too nice" she wouldn't understand so i didn't explain, but i gave a sympathy vote and kept you in. the main reason why was because of the sentence that said,

"THE ONE GAME that looks really good and i get voted off on the first day" or something similar. Maybe my first mafia mistake and i wish i just let you die.

i am happy to vote a few guys, but this has really annoyed me. I will go back and have a look through and decide where my vote will go.

I think the position stated before, that sentimentality and mafia seldom go together is incorrect. They often do, and your 'gut' feelings come into it a lot. But the difference here is that while I appreciate you letting me off the hook (being the L-1 vote as you were) it does not mean you get a free pass from me. Do not, EVER let someone being nice to you, keeping you alive, or coming to your defense make you think differently of them. If you think I am not in your faction, and preferably have some reasons to think so, vote me. If I think you're not in my faction, or if I'm being lumped in with you due to you being nice to me, I WILL vote you, lynch you, whatever.

The point is, in mafia, the boundary lines are constantly shifting. Between now and when one of us is dead, I may in turn come to your defense...or I may be the person who started the train on you. It's worse in faction games, because the mere idea of being associated with someone is enough to get them voting you to prove they are not. Don't take it personal, and I certainly don't think you should assume that letting someone live another day is going to stop them voting you.

(This all came around when we let n00bs off the hook - "nah, they can't be scum, and it would mean to lynch them..." type thing - and they WERE scum and they milked the noob-card for all it was worth. Same principle here, I'm sorry to say).

Galain, on 02 December 2010 - 09:35 PM, said:

Oh my god I have caught up and let me tell you... thank you for posting a lot. Good to see us at 11 pages.

OK, Ruse is just the new Mockra. RAAAAAAAAAAAGE is the new rage, so to speak. Like, you call someone out and suddenly they throw a hissy fit. But the original basis for his call out is bogus to me.

I'm a little addled with all of the names because I can't ever see damn pictures to go with them and then we have all of the Chinese names on top of it, but I think Kesso's voting Korabas for acting in a manner that basically advertises his own faction. And Mockra is voting Rashan for, well, basically being stuck on Ruse all day and I think there's a tie to Serc or Mockra or something like that in there?

I don't think I can handle rereading all of that right now so hopefully I'm semi-right.

I'm voting him for being associated with me, actually. I think Rashan's CF will prove/disprove the Serc-Rashan-Mockra triumvirate that has been proposed on thread, and while mine would at least clear my name, you'd end up lynching Rashan as well because he has also been associated with Serc, and my faction being revealed will have no bearing on his faction. Whereas I've been paired with both of them, and only both of them, so lynching Rashan will prove that it is either highly likely (if he's Yuan Shao's faction) or unlikely (if he's one of the Z's). Ergo, more informative.

same goes for lynching you though, if your a leader and thats why you got all rage worthy on your train, you thought you'd be safe not posting on the first day and had to make a damned good excuse to not get lynch, as i have seen before on mafia, you are relatively safe as you survived a train. if you survived it then people will wipe you off their radar. well i have been voting for ruse bewcause of his play, but i don't want to be associated with you or your buddy serc. if they end up lynching me and finding out that i'm not their enemy then i hope they move on to you as the other link to serc. YS' team are the team we need to kill after all

[Korabas]

Rashan, on 03 December 2010 - 09:01 AM, said:

Mockra trying to lynch me even though i saved his sorry ass.

He gave a decent explanation and there is no reason to expect favors in return.
Please quit dwelling about that kind of stuff, it has been explained several times why and it is getting close to whining.
You're new, we hope you have fun, but part of the fun is playing for victory and that means that you'll be lynched as soon as the majority decides it is a good idea, new or not.

[Rashan]

well the majority are hung on ruse at the moment, how many votes does he have?

[Rashan]

by my count he has 5 votes, how many to lynch? 7? how long is left? it can't be that long maybe an hour and a half?