[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 11:00 PM, said:

just caught up, not particulrly impressed with ruse, his case on rashan that he promised was worthless, i actually agree with rashan, saying that alot of ruse's posts were simply to up his post count, i think the same could be said about tiam, silchas and kass, i didnt really get much info out of the catch up posts that those three posted...

updated name list for those who care, im begining to think it may be wasting my time to continue, thinkin PS might come up with a name for all of Yuan shaos 500k soldiers just to mess with me



Zhang xiu(leader

zhuge jin

Jia Xu


Huang Zhong (leader)
Liu Zong

Pang Tong
Wei Yan
Kuai Yue, a former advisor to Liu Biao, is dead. (Liosan and High Mage Quick Ben)
Wei Xu's


Yuan shao(leader)Xiang River
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang

Wen Chou

Lü Kuang

Lü Xiang

Yang Dajang, chief officer of personnel of Yuan Shao's forces, is dead. (Serc and Lisheo

Peng Ji,

Zhang Yun

Look, I think we should really stop analyzing the names in the posts. The posts almost certainly have some merit in the action performed, but I think there's a lot of liberty being taken by D'rek to keep the scenes creative and on-theme.

For example, the first lynch scene had people thinking that "one person" from HZ's team voted for him and everyone else was from a different team. Really? That would be a really fast game to ID people solely based upon lynch trains. If anything, it's just a flavor scene to describe how one person leaves the game. Don't look to the text for much more than that.

And speaking of the names in the posts, STOP analyzing them. I think we can learn something about who the names are associated with (for example, if it mentions someone that reports to YS, we can assume that the action relates to someone on YS's team), but I think the names are again, flavor. I certainly am not being idle and I can tell you that I have *never* read my own name in any of the scenes. I have a few ideas as to scenes that may involve me, but I also think I may not be in any scenes. Maybe D'rek is picking and choosing scenes to show based upon what she thinks is interesting. Maybe she just uses proxy names in our place.

The only names we can ever really notice are the leader names and names that show up in an alt CF.

[Galain]

Also, I don't think I want to vote for either Tiamatha or Korabas, but I'll do so for a lynch if necessary. Korabas is good for the game IMO and hasn't done anything that I feel warrants a lynch. Tiamatha actually had some ideas I agreed with like moving to the center.

[Galain]

I think I'm going to vote Ruse. I like the idea of voting with Mockra (even though I still don't trust him at all after his Day 1 outburst, nobody wants to vote him apparently so that's a lost cause today). It would be a good thing to see if he's bluffing about Rashan. But Rashan is sticking to his guns on Ruse and, well, Ruse *did* come on, throw a bitch fit, and now has 2x his post count.

Vote Ruse

Will change as necessary but I like leaving this avenue open.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 22 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Galain, Kessobahn, Korabas, Merrid, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ruse ( Rashan, Galain )
1 Vote for Tiamatha ( Korabas )
1 Vote for Rashan ( Mockra )
2 Votes for Korabas ( Kessobahn, Tiamatha )

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Merrid, Omtose, Ruse, Silchas Ruin, Tulas Shorn

[Emurlahn]

its not really giving much info away if im honest and say my players name has been mentioned, so for me its not a huge leap of faith to assume someone elses name has cropped up aswel

[Omtose]

Galain, on 03 December 2010 - 12:06 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 11:00 PM, said:

just caught up, not particulrly impressed with ruse, his case on rashan that he promised was worthless, i actually agree with rashan, saying that alot of ruse's posts were simply to up his post count, i think the same could be said about tiam, silchas and kass, i didnt really get much info out of the catch up posts that those three posted...

updated name list for those who care, im begining to think it may be wasting my time to continue, thinkin PS might come up with a name for all of Yuan shaos 500k soldiers just to mess with me



Zhang xiu(leader

zhuge jin

Jia Xu


Huang Zhong (leader)
Liu Zong

Pang Tong
Wei Yan
Kuai Yue, a former advisor to Liu Biao, is dead. (Liosan and High Mage Quick Ben)
Wei Xu's


Yuan shao(leader)Xiang River
Wen Ping ---defector = unknown originality, probable Huang

Wen Chou

Lü Kuang

Lü Xiang

Yang Dajang, chief officer of personnel of Yuan Shao's forces, is dead. (Serc and Lisheo

Peng Ji,

Zhang Yun

Look, I think we should really stop analyzing the names in the posts. The posts almost certainly have some merit in the action performed, but I think there's a lot of liberty being taken by D'rek to keep the scenes creative and on-theme.

For example, the first lynch scene had people thinking that "one person" from HZ's team voted for him and everyone else was from a different team. Really? That would be a really fast game to ID people solely based upon lynch trains. If anything, it's just a flavor scene to describe how one person leaves the game. Don't look to the text for much more than that.

And speaking of the names in the posts, STOP analyzing them. I think we can learn something about who the names are associated with (for example, if it mentions someone that reports to YS, we can assume that the action relates to someone on YS's team), but I think the names are again, flavor. I certainly am not being idle and I can tell you that I have *never* read my own name in any of the scenes. I have a few ideas as to scenes that may involve me, but I also think I may not be in any scenes. Maybe D'rek is picking and choosing scenes to show based upon what she thinks is interesting. Maybe she just uses proxy names in our place.

The only names we can ever really notice are the leader names and names that show up in an alt CF.

It's probably my fault on the one person thing: However it came across, I meant that at least one person from his faction voted for him, which is really no surprise at all on Day 1.

[Emurlahn]

Galain, on 03 December 2010 - 12:11 AM, said:

I think I'm going to vote Ruse. I like the idea of voting with Mockra (even though I still don't trust him at all after his Day 1 outburst, nobody wants to vote him apparently so that's a lost cause today). It would be a good thing to see if he's bluffing about Rashan. But Rashan is sticking to his guns on Ruse and, well, Ruse *did* come on, throw a bitch fit, and now has 2x his post count.

Vote Ruse

Will change as necessary but I like leaving this avenue open.

im not sure here, are you saying you want to vote for mockra, or that you want to add your vote to mockras ( so you would vote for rashan)
im assuming the former as itmakes a bit more sense to me, and the later comment would just be you telling us your mockras bitch...freudian slip?

[Omtose]

Given that Galain was quick enough to hop on the Mockra train, unless there's been some communication that's gone over all of our heads I think it's pretty safe to say him and Mockra aren't friends.

[Mockra]

I thought the disclaimer "even though still I don't trust him" implied the fact that he wants to vote Rashan BUT still wants to vote me....but since no-one else is he would be willing to resolve the allegiance question via Rashan lynch. But maybe that's just me.

[Merrid]

I'm not sure why Kesso seems to be harping on about recruitment being almost a certain mechanic in this game. The VCs for each faction don't make sense if one faction was a cult, much less Yuan Shao. They have to 'defeat everybody', which heavily suggests killing rather than recruitment. Also, the defection mechanic that seems to exist looks like it's a sort of voluntary recruitment and if that's so it's then superfluous as a game mechanic.

Still catching up...

[Ruse]

Galain, on 03 December 2010 - 12:11 AM, said:

I think I'm going to vote Ruse. I like the idea of voting with Mockra (even though I still don't trust him at all after his Day 1 outburst, nobody wants to vote him apparently so that's a lost cause today). It would be a good thing to see if he's bluffing about Rashan. But Rashan is sticking to his guns on Ruse and, well, Ruse *did* come on, throw a bitch fit, and now has 2x his post count.

Vote Ruse

Will change as necessary but I like leaving this avenue open.

I would like to point out that Rashan is sticking to absolutely nothing. What is he gunning about. He is pissed because I along with several others have called him suspicious about obviously suspicious votes. As for my posting what exactly do you want me to do. Make a post every half hour on the half hour. I posted.

[Kessobahn]

Merrid, on 03 December 2010 - 02:00 AM, said:

I'm not sure why Kesso seems to be harping on about recruitment being almost a certain mechanic in this game. The VCs for each faction don't make sense if one faction was a cult, much less Yuan Shao. They have to 'defeat everybody', which heavily suggests killing rather than recruitment. Also, the defection mechanic that seems to exist looks like it's a sort of voluntary recruitment and if that's so it's then superfluous as a game mechanic.

... What the fuck? How the hell is voluntary recruitment not important as a game mechanic???

You're basically saying "Oh, it's all right if my team loses players to the other side." Which would only make sense if you're on the side that benefits.

And yes, it still makes sense for recruitment to be a mechanic even given the victory conditions. Your entire post made absolutely no sense.

[Emurlahn]

i dont think anyone can be forcebly recruited, and as for desertion...

i think you can only truely desert if condititions are met,

my best guess is that people know who is in there faction in a chain

A knows B, B only knows C, C only knows the leader

so theres a kinda hierarchy

A<B<C<D< ETC

if the person one step ahead of you in the chain (the only person your aware of) is killed, then you have the option of defecting. otherwise you could defect and give away the next link in the chain, which means you defecting would cost your faction 2 players, yourself and your superior. A crippling blow to any faction

[Kessobahn]

Emurlahn, on 03 December 2010 - 02:41 AM, said:

i dont think anyone can be forcebly recruited, and as for desertion...

i think you can only truely desert if condititions are met,

my best guess is that people know who is in there faction in a chain

A knows B, B only knows C, C only knows the leader

so theres a kinda hierarchy

A<B<C<D< ETC

if the person one step ahead of you in the chain (the only person your aware of) is killed, then you have the option of defecting. otherwise you could defect and give away the next link in the chain, which means you defecting would cost your faction 2 players, yourself and your superior. A crippling blow to any faction

That's true, but that doesn't mean recruitment doesn't exist.

Merrid seems to be saying that it doesn't, because ... well, just because, and if does, it doesn't matter. That's an awful lot like a response you'd expect from someone defending for a team that can recruit. Very ham-handed, in fact.

[Merrid]

Kessobahn, on 03 December 2010 - 02:26 AM, said:

Merrid, on 03 December 2010 - 02:00 AM, said:

I'm not sure why Kesso seems to be harping on about recruitment being almost a certain mechanic in this game. The VCs for each faction don't make sense if one faction was a cult, much less Yuan Shao. They have to 'defeat everybody', which heavily suggests killing rather than recruitment. Also, the defection mechanic that seems to exist looks like it's a sort of voluntary recruitment and if that's so it's then superfluous as a game mechanic.

... What the fuck? How the hell is voluntary recruitment not important as a game mechanic???

You're basically saying "Oh, it's all right if my team loses players to the other side." Which would only make sense if you're on the side that benefits.

And yes, it still makes sense for recruitment to be a mechanic even given the victory conditions. Your entire post made absolutely no sense.

Superfluous =/= not important, you're twisting my words. Having both recruitment and the ability to switch sides is a bit of a redundancy in my mind, and apart from one instance all the defection-looking scenes have pointed to people going to Yuan Shao. Having recruitment on top of that? Too OP, and D'rek is all about balance.

Cult objectives are rarely 'get rid of everybody', it's usually gain a majority. Killing factions are much MUCH more likely to have a VC that requires them to get rid of everybody that isn't them. For Yuan Shao to be recruiters would mean in this game everybody is recruitable. Are you seriously telling me that you think leaders are recruitable? That's ridiculously OP. And all of this is based of the fact that Serc's title was 'Chief of personnel', which is flimsy at best.

[Merrid]

Kessobahn, on 03 December 2010 - 02:43 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 03 December 2010 - 02:41 AM, said:

i dont think anyone can be forcebly recruited, and as for desertion...

i think you can only truely desert if condititions are met,

my best guess is that people know who is in there faction in a chain

A knows B, B only knows C, C only knows the leader

so theres a kinda hierarchy

A<B<C<D< ETC

if the person one step ahead of you in the chain (the only person your aware of) is killed, then you have the option of defecting. otherwise you could defect and give away the next link in the chain, which means you defecting would cost your faction 2 players, yourself and your superior. A crippling blow to any faction

That's true, but that doesn't mean recruitment doesn't exist.

Merrid seems to be saying that it doesn't, because ... well, just because, and if does, it doesn't matter. That's an awful lot like a response you'd expect from someone defending for a team that can recruit. Very ham-handed, in fact.

Just because? Quit strawmanning.

[Kessobahn]

Merrid, on 03 December 2010 - 02:46 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 03 December 2010 - 02:43 AM, said:

Merrid seems to be saying that it doesn't, because ... well, just because, and if does, it doesn't matter. That's an awful lot like a response you'd expect from someone defending for a team that can recruit. Very ham-handed, in fact.

Just because? Quit strawmanning.

No, it's not, as it accurately sums up your crap argument.

Explain why recruitment is superfluous as a game mechanic. It was a complete fucking assertion, without substance, and utterly contrary to anything remotely resembling logic.

[Kessobahn]

Merrid, on 03 December 2010 - 02:00 AM, said:

The VCs for each faction don't make sense if one faction was a cult, much less Yuan Shao. They have to 'defeat everybody', which heavily suggests killing rather than recruitment. Also, the defection mechanic that seems to exist looks like it's a sort of voluntary recruitment and if that's so it's then superfluous as a game mechanic.

I just wanted to make sure everyone reading or re-reading this thread catches this shit.

Look at both parts - first, the notion that a faction somehow wouldn't benefit from being able to recruit, as a means to reach their victory condition. Because, you know, the people they recruit must still count as being part of their original faction. Or something. What the fuck, over?

Also, that second part. Voluntary recruitment - that is, offering the opportunity for someone to switch sides - is superfluous. That's right, Merrid is saying that the ability of a team to decrease it's opponents numbers while increasing their own ... just doesn't matter. Everyone should just look the other way, because hey - it's cool. Why the hell would anyone be worried about recruiting? It's obviously harmless.

What. The. Fuck.

[Emurlahn]

i think he is talking about defection, not recruitment,

[Omtose]

I'm with Kessobahn here. As Emurlahn pointed out, Merrid is talking about defection, not recruitment, when he mentions superfluous, but even so it's still very strange. I hardly think the ability to defect to another faction is useless/inconsequential; as Kessobahn said, it bolsters a faction's ranks while also depleting another faction, which certainly helps toward the victory conditions.