[Rashan]

i'm on for a little bit, i'll catch up, have just seen that vote from Mockra. what a cheeky get, i went to bed last night and said to my girlfriend, "i'm too nice" she wouldn't understand so i didn't explain, but i gave a sympathy vote and kept you in. the main reason why was because of the sentence that said,

"THE ONE GAME that looks really good and i get voted off on the first day" or something similar. Maybe my first mafia mistake and i wish i just let you die.

i am happy to vote a few guys, but this has really annoyed me. I will go back and have a look through and decide where my vote will go.

[Korabas]

Kessobahn, on 02 December 2010 - 08:26 PM, said:

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 07:39 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 02 December 2010 - 07:34 PM, said:

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 06:52 PM, said:

Wait a sec...... you vote because I refuse to go around giving high fives to all the other jokers because someone's flavor title may point at him having a certain role?

I always thought it was prudent to use a WCS unless you have absolute proof, I must not have gotten that memo that this had changed...

Who said YS having recruiting was WCS? You're overreacting rather defensively.

I merely proposed it as one of the two possibilities - a smaller faction with recruiting, or a larger faction relying on numbers for balance. Neither is necessarily worse than the other.

With going from a WCS I meant Serc NOT being the recruiter or another big honcho, as several of you seem to think. But that was considered downplaying his importance by you.

Actually, if he was, it's now BCS (for everyone except YS), as he's dead. I may be reading somewhat too much into his Role title, but you seem unwilling to read anything at all, in a game where there is almost certainly some kind of recruitment mechanic.

I think it safest to not read anything into it at all until we see a mechanic explained in the story surrounding it.

[Korabas]

Tiamatha, on 02 December 2010 - 08:37 PM, said:

Ok SIlcahs there is one comment of yours that I haven't seen someone else make before, and that you believe that Korabas was telling me to STFU.

If memory serves correctly Korabas was the first to comment on that post, if he did know me, then his post has added more light to me than anything else. ALso it would give him away, if he had any brains which i do suspect he has he wouldn't have posted that if he knew me.

This is a faction game, false symping so as to confuse who knows who is a standard tactic, so I always take connetions with a pinch of salt.

Edited for clarity of reading

FYI, my 'you're scary' post referred to you sitting there calmly discussing mechanics while Mockra was at L -1 and screaming his heart out.
It was rather odd.

[Korabas]

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 09:19 PM, said:

i'm on for a little bit, i'll catch up, have just seen that vote from Mockra. what a cheeky get, i went to bed last night and said to my girlfriend, "i'm too nice" she wouldn't understand so i didn't explain, but i gave a sympathy vote and kept you in. the main reason why was because of the sentence that said,

"THE ONE GAME that looks really good and i get voted off on the first day" or something similar. Maybe my first mafia mistake and i wish i just let you die.

i am happy to vote a few guys, but this has really annoyed me. I will go back and have a look through and decide where my vote will go.

Sentimentality and mafia seldom go together.

[Korabas]

Ruse, on 02 December 2010 - 08:24 PM, said:

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

I'll stop F5ing for a bit and go and watch the second half of Battle of Red Cliff.... guitar solo duel for the win.

Bastard. I have it at home and haven't watched it yet.

It is awesome. It is also about tea.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 16 hours and 8 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Galain, Kessobahn, Korabas, Merrid, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Korabas ( Kessobahn )
1 Vote for Rashan ( Mockra )

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Galain, Korabas, Merrid, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

[Omtose]

Reading through the thread didn't really do much of anything. Some of Tiam's posts have been odd (Korabas's "You're fucking scary man" made me laugh, but I do agree that it was odd that he came in and completely disregarded the votes on Mockra). Rashan is stumbling blindly to and fro at some points. Ruse hasn't done much at this point, besides reflecting Korabas's sentiments then getting into a pissing match with Rashan. Honestly, nothing that hasn't already been pointed out. Anyway, at this point those are the people I'm most willing to vote for, but at this point I'm going to refrain from voting. We still have 16 hours or so left, more than enough time for things to change.

EDIT: Change 12 hours to 16, we have even more time than I thought.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 02 December 2010 - 09:34 PM

[Galain]

Oh my god I have caught up and let me tell you... thank you for posting a lot. Good to see us at 11 pages.

OK, Ruse is just the new Mockra. RAAAAAAAAAAAGE is the new rage, so to speak. Like, you call someone out and suddenly they throw a hissy fit. But the original basis for his call out is bogus to me.

I'm a little addled with all of the names because I can't ever see damn pictures to go with them and then we have all of the Chinese names on top of it, but I think Kesso's voting Korabas for acting in a manner that basically advertises his own faction. And Mockra is voting Rashan for, well, basically being stuck on Ruse all day and I think there's a tie to Serc or Mockra or something like that in there?

I don't think I can handle rereading all of that right now so hopefully I'm semi-right.

[Galain]

Also, people mention the "scary" comment and I don't see anything wrong with it. It's totally from the "Damn Nature, You Scary" meme originated on Family Guy.

http://knowyourmeme....ature-you-scary

This post has been edited by Galain: 02 December 2010 - 09:37 PM

[Korabas]

Galain has completely dropped off the radar. Which kind of worries me.

Tiamatha is trying to be constructive and helpful, but either tiredness or time constraints make him come up with basically stuff that sounds odd, and then gets kicked down because it does not compute. Moreover, it almost seems as if he pays less attention to the thread than to what might be or might not be a mechanic - the post yesterday night during the Rashan-Mockra shenanigans was probably the best example of it to date.

That signalling post by Omtose (quoted by SR) was also really weird - popping a theory out, proving it false in the same post and yet leaving it up. At best, it is 'watch me contribute' in an impossible way. At worst, it is marking a target. It also seems to imply he thinks someone who can kill might know him/ pick his signal up.

Finally, something about Kessobahn makes my hair stand on end. It is all gutfeeling, however. He almost does not seem to care if he pisses someone off, and gives off an air of superiority and security. I mean, Ruse and Mockra yesterday are much worse in their language and abuse, but there, you tasted irritation and frustration. Kessobahn, not so much.

[Rashan]

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 09:23 PM, said:

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 09:19 PM, said:

i'm on for a little bit, i'll catch up, have just seen that vote from Mockra. what a cheeky get, i went to bed last night and said to my girlfriend, "i'm too nice" she wouldn't understand so i didn't explain, but i gave a sympathy vote and kept you in. the main reason why was because of the sentence that said,

"THE ONE GAME that looks really good and i get voted off on the first day" or something similar. Maybe my first mafia mistake and i wish i just let you die.

i am happy to vote a few guys, but this has really annoyed me. I will go back and have a look through and decide where my vote will go.

Sentimentality and mafia seldom go together.

well its a lesson learned for me then. thing is thats what it was, no alterior motives, at all.

i would vote mockra, ruse for their rants. i don't think we should let mockra off and reading the ruse posts make me more and more suspicious, the thing is ruse could be on my team and i hope he isn't because he seems very fishy. there are a lot of friendly posts going from people, not much case building from what i've read so far.

at this minute i am going to vote ruse because i think he is on the enemy team. i called him out and he just blew up, then blew up some more and then some more, his posts went from 6 up to 21 from his little rants.

vote ruse

[Omtose]

Galain, on 02 December 2010 - 09:36 PM, said:

Also, people mention the "scary" comment and I don't see anything wrong with it. It's totally from the "Damn Nature, You Scary" meme originated on Family Guy.

http://knowyourmeme....ature-you-scary

I was just saying that it was funny, the suspicion part pertained to Tiam.

[Galain]

This caught my eye during a read-up. Emurlahn uses a very distinct emoticon... but he isn't the first to do so. Korabas actually said it earlier. But the "coincidence" here is that the post after Emurlahn's is Rashan quoting the Korabas post with that same emoticon. Like, in a faction game that admits people won't always know their leader, I always look at things like this as potential signals. In this case, Rashan to Emurlahn. Maybe Rashan's feeling some heat and looking for support?

Emurlahn, on 02 December 2010 - 12:17 PM, said:

i was on in a team of one on my first mafia game so thats one mistake i never made...ive since made all other mistakes though

Rashan, on 02 December 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

Korabas, on 01 December 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 December 2010 - 10:54 PM, said:

The roles I think that may not be able to move, are the support roles. So leaders and healers and possibly guards.

Some suggestion that if you can move, you should try to minimise the risk by sticking to a satelite town, but that means before even other action come into account you are reducing the chance of a successful action due to not occupying the superior position.

In the early Yuan Shau will want to take the superior ground which would maximise their abilities especially if they are killers, in the end game they might retreat back to a satellite town but the allies would then have to move into the central town so as to be able to use their own abilities successfully against Yuan Shau.

The only reason why it to the advantage of staying where you are, is if you were to move it would count as a NA.you can get a extra NA compared to anyone who moves, but they will make up the loss of the NA by increasing their chance of a successful NA.

Damn man, you're scary.


Shit is spraying from the fan in a gazillion directions and you ignore it all, put up an umbrella and talk about stuff left alone by everyone else for the past twelve hours, and for a good reason?

Also, what the fuck about 'superior ground', 'retreat'? Aside from them being rather meaningless terms, all in all, that requires a lot of communication.... and you seem very far in your theories on what Yuan Shao can do. I repeat: WTF? Either you are smoking dope, or you know more than any of us (or at the least, anyone else has revealed on thread), or you have a mind that is best turned toward solving a rubix cube in 19 actions. Either you are stupidly revealing yourself as someone who knows what an Operations dude can do, or you are building a smoke screen the size of the Hoover Dam. in both cases, you are quite dangerous.

Moving counts as the equivalent of a Day action per the OP, by the way.

looking through all of Korabas posts, this one made me laugh, i enjoyed it. I can say there is nothing there that warrants attention, he is not controversial, his points are all logical and the only thing that points towards him a little is being at the beginning of two trains, however, reading through the whole thread for the second time Ruse stands out a lot. I mean everyone is talking to each other gathering information yet read through. its taken me ages to read through this 3 times but he doesn't look friendly.

i am going to look at the two trains again because i don't think it is Korabas that is adding momentum, he may start but people are following, this is what i am interested in, why they are following, there was no perfect case other than low posterism (like my new word?) maybe not..

[Galain]

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 09:37 PM, said:

Galain has completely dropped off the radar. Which kind of worries me.

Tiamatha is trying to be constructive and helpful, but either tiredness or time constraints make him come up with basically stuff that sounds odd, and then gets kicked down because it does not compute. Moreover, it almost seems as if he pays less attention to the thread than to what might be or might not be a mechanic - the post yesterday night during the Rashan-Mockra shenanigans was probably the best example of it to date.

That signalling post by Omtose (quoted by SR) was also really weird - popping a theory out, proving it false in the same post and yet leaving it up. At best, it is 'watch me contribute' in an impossible way. At worst, it is marking a target. It also seems to imply he thinks someone who can kill might know him/ pick his signal up.

Finally, something about Kessobahn makes my hair stand on end. It is all gutfeeling, however. He almost does not seem to care if he pisses someone off, and gives off an air of superiority and security. I mean, Ruse and Mockra yesterday are much worse in their language and abuse, but there, you tasted irritation and frustration. Kessobahn, not so much.

I had a massive meeting today that I was running so I was pretty much out of commission until lunch.

[Omtose]

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 09:37 PM, said:

That signalling post by Omtose (quoted by SR) was also really weird - popping a theory out, proving it false in the same post and yet leaving it up. At best, it is 'watch me contribute' in an impossible way. At worst, it is marking a target. It also seems to imply he thinks someone who can kill might know him/ pick his signal up.

I don't believe I proved the theory wrong, but rather I said it seemed unlikely, thus still leaving it up as a possibility. Food for thought, if you will. If you look through all of the posts I've made, I believe you'll find that several of them are rather indecesive; I don't like saying something with full confidence unless I'm 100% sure. I do agree, though, that what I said was rather poorly said.

[Galain]

I'm more and more intrigued about the idea that YS's faction is the largest one. Like, it's a common town objective to "kill all the scum factions." And I think it's the two factions rising up against YS, right? The one thing that's sticking in my mind is that I believe D'rek has been using YS as the "bad guy" in her stories lately. I think she wants to kill off YS... lol. It's been a while since the last one, I may be remembering things incorrectly.

[Galain]

I really liked that day scene today. Really neat. And I think we are probably on to something with the thought of defection. Like, you have to consider it from the POV of the mechanic. "How" does the mechanic add to the game? Unless it injects information into the game (specific people, public, etc), then it's a relatively useless mechanic. That is to say, if a HZ officer can 'defect' to the YS's team, how does YS know about it?

Does YS initiate contact and if the targeted player wishes it, he may defect? Or he may choose to fake defect, with the premise in either case that he can't just blurt out the name of his previous master on-thread? You always have to guard for that scenario... when you can be recruited between teams, it's easy to just yell out the name of your last master and get them lynched.

Maybe a lot of players have actions that allow them to defect. Maybe it arises under circumstances. Maybe the leaders ask their OWN officers if they want to FAKE defect... and in doing so, they can decide if they want to REAL defect? Would mean the leaders know their own officers, though.

[Rashan]

i am leaning towards more and more the fact that YS' team are bigger and some of them know each other. i made 2 good points early on in the day and no one even commented on them.

i will re post

[Korabas]

Galain, on 02 December 2010 - 09:35 PM, said:

Oh my god I have caught up and let me tell you... thank you for posting a lot. Good to see us at 11 pages.

OK, Ruse is just the new Mockra. RAAAAAAAAAAAGE is the new rage, so to speak. Like, you call someone out and suddenly they throw a hissy fit. But the original basis for his call out is bogus to me.

I'm a little addled with all of the names because I can't ever see damn pictures to go with them and then we have all of the Chinese names on top of it, but I think Kesso's voting Korabas for acting in a manner that according to Kesso's thinking basically advertises Korabas' faction. And Mockra is voting Rashan for, well, basically being stuck on Ruse all day and I think there's a tie to Serc or Mockra or something like that in there?

I don't think I can handle rereading all of that right now so hopefully I'm semi-right.

Fixed that for you.

I think there are plenty of signs that run contrary to Kesso's thinking. Hiding my faction/giving multiple signs is one of the things I concentrate on and I appreciate the same in my fellow players. Why?

Well, as soon as the line are drawn in the sand and the people have lined up on either side of it, the whole game comes down to what side's vig(s) or leader or guard or whatever lasts the longest. Since that is mostly down to luck, I prefer postponing the slugfest for as long as possible while skill is making a difference, thank you.

Moreover, suppose I know my leader.... How can I help him survive and take heat off him if my own (true) allegiance is really clear?

[Galain]

Korabas, on 02 December 2010 - 09:55 PM, said:

Galain, on 02 December 2010 - 09:35 PM, said:

Oh my god I have caught up and let me tell you... thank you for posting a lot. Good to see us at 11 pages.

OK, Ruse is just the new Mockra. RAAAAAAAAAAAGE is the new rage, so to speak. Like, you call someone out and suddenly they throw a hissy fit. But the original basis for his call out is bogus to me.

I'm a little addled with all of the names because I can't ever see damn pictures to go with them and then we have all of the Chinese names on top of it, but I think Kesso's voting Korabas for acting in a manner that according to Kesso's thinking basically advertises Korabas' faction. And Mockra is voting Rashan for, well, basically being stuck on Ruse all day and I think there's a tie to Serc or Mockra or something like that in there?

I don't think I can handle rereading all of that right now so hopefully I'm semi-right.

Fixed that for you.

I think there are plenty of signs that run contrary to Kesso's thinking. Hiding my faction/giving multiple signs is one of the things I concentrate on and I appreciate the same in my fellow players. Why?

Well, as soon as the line are drawn in the sand and the people have lined up on either side of it, the whole game comes down to what side's vig(s) or leader or guard or whatever lasts the longest. Since that is mostly down to luck, I prefer postponing the slugfest for as long as possible while skill is making a difference, thank you.

Moreover, suppose I know my leader.... How can I help him survive and take heat off him if my own (true) allegiance is really clear?

It's a vague case, really. It's not the first time that someone has made that kind of case in a faction game. It's pretty much never correct. If anything, all it says to me is that Kesso feels pretty good that you are not on his faction and he's trying to get you removed.