[pat5150]

Too bad we didn't get a map of Stratem in RotCG. . .

As far as I know, there are no plans to include a full world map in TCG. . .

Patrick

[Defiance]

I'd take the size of Malaz Island with a grain of salt, given that it's labeled as fabled.

[Salt-Man Z]

Argh, I had just resolved myself to put off ordering Stonewielder with next week's birthday money and waiting until Christmas. But this map is punching holes through that resolve like Kaminsod punching holes in Korel.

[beru]

also the island may be out of scale as the map says they have no intel on it for 500 years

[Abalieno]

In most cases the dimension of the continents was overestimated so it all seems to make sense. I don't see anything wrong accordingly to the latest world map available.

Jakatakan position is ok, but the shape of it doesn't even vaguely match the map we already have, so it's quite unreliable.

On Tor.com I asked specifically if The Crippled God was going to have a world map and Erikson didn't answer. Since the final manuscript was delivered these days it means it's either still undecided or not in the plans.

[Gothos]

I hate not knowing full geography :/
It's a problem here, I'm finding it a problem in ASoIaF, no maps at all was a total PAIN in Black Company... even with Tolkien I kept looking for 'older' maps that would encompass more than just Middle Earth... wtb an interactive map compilation that would show various states of Middle Earth across different ages on the same model

[Blueiron]

So, given that the bits of the CG made huge holes in the ground that (sensibly enough) fill with water, anyone thinking that the Adjunct might have a rough time trying to get to whatever she`s looking for in Kolanse?
Also, it gives us a hint of just how devestating the CG's fall was. Whew. Cool map.

-Blueiron, can't wait...

[T'renn]

srry

This post has been edited by Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn: 13 October 2010 - 12:16 AM

[T'renn]

It is awesome, no wonder the malazan armies strugle there....

Also wondering what the black city did to become black, hm ?
And those craters, nice, really nice

-IhM Tayschrenn - out of his depth

This post has been edited by Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn: 13 October 2010 - 12:16 AM

[Werthead]

It'd be interesting to get some further discussion on the naming conventions. Previous usage had the full continent called 'Korelri', made up of the subcontinents of 'Korel' in the north and 'Stratem' in the south. 'Fist' appeared to be a local name. The appendix in GARDENS OF THE MOON seems to back up this usage, as does much of the naming throughout Erikson's books. Most notably, the continent is called 'Korelri' in the prologue to MEMORIES OF ICE when the Elder Gods are debating Kallor's fate.

However, the map suggests other possiblities. The Malazan armies are presumably fighting on the northern islands, where their primary opposition is the 'Korelri Compact'. To me, that suggests the cities of Kor and Elri are leading this alliance. If a second Malazan army is fighting against the kingdom of Fist, that may explain the naming discrepencies: the Malazans call the continent Korelri or Fist after their respective enemies. They then mistakenly split the name between Korel, Korelri and Stratem during explorations of the continent (GotM also mentions a Malazan incursion in Stratem, one that was presumably repulsed).

What would be even more interesting is to learn if Korelri continues south of the map, or if the Aurgatt Range is just down there with Stratem to the south. That would fit with Korelri being even smaller than Quon Tali, which I believe Hetan and Mal indicated in the discussion on the world map thread. The speculative maps they posted, based on SE's own map, suggest that what we see on this map is just the northern tip of Korelri and the continent continues some way to the south.

Interesting that Malaz Island is listed as 'fabelled' and 'not visited in 500 years' (presumably going back to a time when Jakatan was the dominant city on the island before Malaz's rise). Presumably this is because of the Stormriders, but interesting in that case that the Malazans have been able to cross the Stormrider region to attack Korel but not vice versa.

[pat5150]

The usage of the name Korelri probably has to do more with the Stormwall than anything else, I guess. . .

Can't say much for fear of entering spoiler territory, but I can tell you that there has been a lot of misinformation regarding the Korelri military campaign. Other than Laseen, Nok, and Greymane, it is believed that perhaps only Dujek and Topper also knew the truth. What little was known about that campaign up until this point doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.

There is no sign of a Korelri compact. Moreover, there is no unity within the various countries of this subcontinent, other than in their hatred for the Malazans.

For reasons that will become clearer when you read Stonewielder, you'll see that the lands of Fist take isolationism to a new level. So it's not a question of them being unable to cross the Stormrider region. It appears that Mare, as a seafaring nation, probably has no equals. . .

Another misconception due to the fact that everything about the Korelri campaign was kept so secret is that the Malazan fleets could cross the Ocean of Storms at their leisure. Which explains why no progress was made on that front in well over a decade. Don't have all the details yet (and I'm not sure this novel will answer all the questions), but it appears that the Korelri campaign was even worst than Seven Cities and Genabackis. . .

Patrick

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[T'renn]

pat5150, on 13 October 2010 - 10:41 PM, said:

The usage of the name Korelri probably has to do more with the Stormwall than anything else, I guess. . .

Can't say much for fear of entering spoiler territory, but I can tell you that there has been a lot of misinformation regarding the Korelri military campaign. Other than Laseen, Nok, and Greymane, it is believed that perhaps only Dujek and Topper also knew the truth. What little was known about that campaign up until this point doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.

There is no sign of a Korelri compact. Moreover, there is no unity within the various countries of this subcontinent, other than in their hatred for the Malazans.

For reasons that will become clearer when you read Stonewielder, you'll see that the lands of Fist take isolationism to a new level. So it's not a question of them being unable to cross the Stormrider region. It appears that Mare, as a seafaring nation, probably has no equals. . .

Another misconception due to the fact that everything about the Korelri campaign was kept so secret is that the Malazan fleets could cross the Ocean of Storms at their leisure. Which explains why no progress was made on that front in well over a decade. Don't have all the details yet (and I'm not sure this novel will answer all the questions), but it appears that the Korelri campaign was even worst than Seven Cities and Genabackis. . .

Patrick

If it had been easier, Korel would probably have been overrun by the Malazans long ago

[D'iversify]

Werthead, on 13 October 2010 - 09:32 PM, said:

(GotM also mentions a Malazan incursion in Stratem, one that was presumably repulsed).

Probably the same campaign as the one mentioned in RotCG that led to the Guard's Diaspora. From the sounds of it, they didn't stick around because there isn't much worth conquering in Stratem.

[Ozymandiac]

Could someone enlighten me?

I always assumed (based on Werthead's maps, which I qft) that Korel en Stratem were subcontinents in the whole continent named Korelri.

Then why does this map say, just under "Stormwall", "Korelri". It's in an even smaller type size than Theft, which is only a peninsula.

[Sanctume]

blogspot is blocked at work

any alternate links buy chance? Or I'll just wait until I get home tonight

[Salt-Man Z]

Sanctume, on 14 October 2010 - 03:32 PM, said:

blogspot is blocked at work

any alternate links buy chance? Or I'll just wait until I get home tonight

Someone beat me to it, but here it is (at the Malazan Empire image gallery, accessible via the link on the forum header.) There's even a button at the top to zoom in and get the full-res image as well.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Ozymandiac, on 14 October 2010 - 12:42 PM, said:

Could someone enlighten me?

I always assumed (based on Werthead's maps, which I qft) that Korel en Stratem were subcontinents in the whole continent named Korelri.

Then why does this map say, just under "Stormwall", "Korelri". It's in an even smaller type size than Theft, which is only a peninsula.

well i think that what we've known about korel so far has been very misleading, according to pat there's a lot we don't know about the place, and only about 5 people in the empire who ever knew the true situation.

it certainly is confusing but i'm not to concerned, maybe malazans call it korelri because they only know about the one island.

hopefully stonewielder illuminates this some

[D'rek]

pat5150, on 13 October 2010 - 10:41 PM, said:

There is no sign of a Korelri compact. Moreover, there is no unity within the various countries of this subcontinent, other than in their hatred for the Malazans.

For reasons that will become clearer when you read Stonewielder, you'll see that the lands of Fist take isolationism to a new level.

Well that would line up pretty well with descriptions from the B&KB novellas, where they describe most of Theft as being a bunch of independent city-states.

It does seem that they have a unity for the Stormwall though, with ships from various nations giving prisoners to the Wall.

pat5150, on 13 October 2010 - 10:41 PM, said:

It appears that Mare, as a seafaring nation, probably has no equals. . .

So far every mention of Mare in the books has been in reference to their ships kicking someone else's butt, including a naval blockade of a huge swath of the northern Korelri coast, so that sounds about right.

[Paleman]

pat5150, on 12 October 2010 - 02:30 PM, said:

Hi there,

SE and ICE's editor was kind enough to provide the map of the Lands of Fist so I could make sense of where the action is taking place.

You can check it out here.

Patrick

You're a star Pat! Can't wait for the book to arrive on my doorstep (hopefully quite soon - Monday would be great).

[Silencer]

Werthead, on 12 October 2010 - 07:19 PM, said:

As far as I can gather, this is pretty much the northern, shattered coast of Korel. There's a bit more to the south, then the Aurgatt Range, then Stratem (which consists of an inland sea, a vast peninsular and some more land).

If the area on the map is 'just' Korel, then it's pretty small, far smaller than even Quon Tali. Stratem being a subcontinent of Korel suggests that Stratem is even smaller though. Interesting to see the full world map (which I'm hoping will be in TCG).

Underline is mine. Seven Cities has, iirc, been referred to as a 'subcontinent', too, though. I'm sure it was at some point or other in the books, and compared to Quon Tali it appears to be MASSIVE. So that particular word seems to be misleading...or the map scales are way, way off. :S