[Tellan]

Well with all the shit flying back and forth I am going to remove my vote for now.

I want to see where this reveal goes.

The first one I missed and it scared the crap out of me when I read the thread.

I also thought it was a set up to get one of the jester types lynched.

But there is time. for more reading back.

remove vote

[Alkend]

It's pretty much a coin-flip between Korv and Kalse.

Osseric could be lying, to get one of the last few Innos lynched (and no, I'm fairly sure Kalse isn't Eldar).

Barghast could just plain be wrong, based on analyzing grammar of all things.

[Rashan]

Alkend, on 13 October 2010 - 02:22 AM, said:

It's pretty much a coin-flip between Korv and Kalse.

Osseric could be lying, to get one of the last few Innos lynched (and no, I'm fairly sure Kalse isn't Eldar).

Barghast could just plain be wrong, based on analyzing grammar of all things.

If you think that Osserc could be lying, why is it a coin toss between Korv and Kalse?

[Alkend]

Rashan, on 13 October 2010 - 02:30 AM, said:

Alkend, on 13 October 2010 - 02:22 AM, said:

It's pretty much a coin-flip between Korv and Kalse.

Osseric could be lying, to get one of the last few Innos lynched (and no, I'm fairly sure Kalse isn't Eldar).

Barghast could just plain be wrong, based on analyzing grammar of all things.

If you think that Osserc could be lying, why is it a coin toss between Korv and Kalse?

Uh ... because he could also, you know, not be lying.

And Barghast could be right about where the FM headed.

[Tellan]

I just hate letting people low post like Eloth and GL have.

We have been ass raped to many times by people just not playing.

I will concure we cant really do anything about this game because of all the different scum we have to deal with.

It still sucks and I will be pissed if we have let a low poster win a game.

AGAIN!

[Rashan]

Perhaps something was missed there. There are four options, not considering combinations of Barghast and Osserc lying/being wrong.

1. Barghast is right. This makes Korv an FM and a lower priority than a cult member.
2. Osserc is right. Most likely Kalse is a recruit, judging from the reveal.
3. Barghast is wrong. This may mean he is scum and knows Korv is not on his team.
4. Osserc is lying. This makes Osserc scum.

As I see it, there are three main lynches to consider, with a possible fourth.

1. Korv. Due to Barghasts revelations. I think this is a weak case.
2. Kalse. This is entirely based on whether or not we take Osserc at his word.
3. Osserc. If we do not take Osserc at his word, Osserc is scum.

Edit: Changed third to fourth in the sixth line.

This post has been edited by Rashan: 13 October 2010 - 02:49 AM

[Rashan]

Tellan, on 13 October 2010 - 02:39 AM, said:

I just hate letting people low post like Eloth and GL have.

We have been ass raped to many times by people just not playing.

I will concure we cant really do anything about this game because of all the different scum we have to deal with.

It still sucks and I will be pissed if we have let a low poster win a game.

AGAIN!

To this I agree. I have low posted through parts of the game as well, but finding actual contributions from either is difficult.

[Barghast]

Glad we're getting some more of you people saying something. Days are lonely when I'm mostly talking to myself. However, it's night time for me, and kind of late. I'll check in once more before bed.

[Path-Shaper]

there are about 12 hours left.
10 of you live still.
you need 6 votes to lynch, or 5 to go to night

1 vote for Korvalain (Barghast)
2 votes for Kalse (Ampelas, Osseric)

the following people have not voted: Alkend, Galayn Lord, Eloth, Kalse, Korvalain, Rashan, Tellan


-ment

[Barghast]

So much for chatter... I will be back before the lynch timer is up if my vote is needed...

[Rashan]

Well, I will be back before the lynch, but by the time I am I fear it will be a choice between lynching a possible FM and believing Osserc. As I do not believe Osserc this time, and find the Korv case both weak and aimed at the wrong target:

Vote Osserc

[Kalse]

Korvalain, on 13 October 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

If osserics an eldar his discs are simpley a ploy 2 vote of his team m8s, thats the thought im leaning towards atm,

well im off 2 the beach, will post more when i get home

I will respond to the rest of the thread when I have a bit more time, but this honestly hadn't occurred to me. Osseric's successful pointing out of a Xeno earlier in the game made me think he was inno (at least back then), and either had false info now, or had been recruited in between.

But that's not actually a bad idea, Korv. And pretty ballsy to put it out there when you're the primary alternative lynch to me, kudos.

If this is the case, we can't really do anything about it, because Osseric will probably be Eldar himself, so by your logic, lynching me or him is a bad idea. Leave it up to the NK-capable players to handle us?

[Kalse]

Rashan, on 13 October 2010 - 02:57 AM, said:

Tellan, on 13 October 2010 - 02:39 AM, said:

I just hate letting people low post like Eloth and GL have.

We have been ass raped to many times by people just not playing.

I will concure we cant really do anything about this game because of all the different scum we have to deal with.

It still sucks and I will be pissed if we have let a low poster win a game.

AGAIN!

To this I agree. I have low posted through parts of the game as well, but finding actual contributions from either is difficult.

The lack of posting from these two actually suggests faction leaders to me. Either one of them could be Cult or FM very easily, slipping under the radar like they have been. But I think it's a bit of a long shot to go for them against the existing cases.

Alkend, on 13 October 2010 - 02:32 AM, said:

Rashan, on 13 October 2010 - 02:30 AM, said:

Alkend, on 13 October 2010 - 02:22 AM, said:

It's pretty much a coin-flip between Korv and Kalse.

Osseric could be lying, to get one of the last few Innos lynched (and no, I'm fairly sure Kalse isn't Eldar).

Barghast could just plain be wrong, based on analyzing grammar of all things.

If you think that Osserc could be lying, why is it a coin toss between Korv and Kalse?

Uh ... because he could also, you know, not be lying.

And Barghast could be right about where the FM headed.

This is the problem with reveals, of course. The standard practice is to lynch the focus of the reveal and then proceed based on the CF, but a few problems come to mind:

Korv's suggestion above. In which case lynching either Osseric or myself is a bad idea.

Osseric just picked a random name. In which case if he picked lucky and got Xeno, he would be validated, but on a false result.

Osseric got fed false info. In which case he is not lying, but neither is he telling the truth. This is pretty much my stance on the matter, though there is little I can do to prove that, of course.



@Barghast - not the thing I was talking about. It's something I've mentioned several times. Think regarding lynching.

[Ampelas]

Rashan, on 13 October 2010 - 01:33 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 12 October 2010 - 05:10 PM, said:

Difficult choice. Chaos is not the biggest threat today, but they are slippery and we might not spot whoever Korvalain jumps into. Looked mad but actually a xeno implies either Chaos or Tyrannid to me and I am leaning towards Tyrannid. Especially if there is some sort of incubation period for the recruitment.

If Osseric is telling the truth then Kalse is the better lynch. I don't think it is an eldar play. I definitely don't think it is an eldar mechanic, it would be too strong. It could very well be clever play by Chaos. Osseric has exposed himself in a big way though. If it does appear that Korv jumps tonight, he will be under a lot of pressure.

vote Kalse

But I am willing to switch to Korvalain or Osseric if someone can provide a compelling argument.

Xeno means not town according to the rules. (underlining mine)

How will Korv be under pressure if he jumps? Korv will be dead and if it was someone badly faking texting in, they can stop doing so.

I will try to find the time to go back over both of their posts, but it does seem to me that Osserc and Barghast have been agreeing more lately than in the early game, when Bargy was driving the lynch on Osserc. The newest reveal could be seen as an attempt to drive a quick lynch as Bargy's Korv revelations stalled out short of one. But maybe that impression is just due to how few people are posting a fair amount of content though. If it wasn't potentially D-Day I would be gunning for a low poster or two.

Do you have anything to say that makes sense

It would help if you underlined the whole sentence, not only the part that looks suspect when read in isolation. Osseric's reveal stated that he was told that Kalse had been observed. At first Kalse appeared mad but further investigation revealed him to be a xeno. After reading up on the universe this sounds like someone who has been infected by the genestealer cult, or someone who has been possed by a demon. Indicating Kalse is likely to be Tyrannid.

If Korvalain jumps, Osseric will be under pressure tomorrow. Could have been clearer with my pronouns.

Kalse, on 13 October 2010 - 05:27 AM, said:

Korvalain, on 13 October 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

If osserics an eldar his discs are simpley a ploy 2 vote of his team m8s, thats the thought im leaning towards atm,

well im off 2 the beach, will post more when i get home

I will respond to the rest of the thread when I have a bit more time, but this honestly hadn't occurred to me. Osseric's successful pointing out of a Xeno earlier in the game made me think he was inno (at least back then), and either had false info now, or had been recruited in between.

But that's not actually a bad idea, Korv. And pretty ballsy to put it out there when you're the primary alternative lynch to me, kudos.

If this is the case, we can't really do anything about it, because Osseric will probably be Eldar himself, so by your logic, lynching me or him is a bad idea. Leave it up to the NK-capable players to handle us?

How does this make even a modicumof sense? The only people who want to lynch their team mates are the eldar. Do you think Osseric has somehow been recruited by the Eldar? That's what you are implying. Or do you think Osseric has been Eldar all game? Meaning you are his partner and are asking to be targetted by an NK. I'm not buying it.

[Ampelas]

We have Eloth leaning towards an Osseric lynch with no reason or explanation, Rashan being uncharacteristically vocal and ignoring Kalse as a possible lynch option and Kalse squirming a bit. I think it is more than likely that is our cult right there.

[Korvalain]

If the cf gave us more info..i would think about lynching osseric, but then if hes human, hes a finder or detective or something and weve punched the gift horse in the face

if we follow his reveal ane kalse is xeno...theres a chance he is eldar, which means osseric is eldar and because of his previous info we wud of basicly handed the eldar the game

im on my phone so i dont no how to put in the bold
but

vote eloth
i think we should lynch the lower posters as there trying 2 just sneak in at the end and its to dangerous to go for either kalse or osseric, im hoping that someone nks one (sorry guys) but i think its just way too risky to lynch them

admitidly i should probz go for the easy lynch of kalse with me once again being under barghasts critical eye but playing to keep me alive isnt the same as playing to win

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 13 October 2010 - 06:38 AM
Reason for edit: bold added by your friendly neighbourhood mod

[Path-Shaper]

roughly 10 hours, 20 mins left

10 of you live still.
you need 6 votes to lynch, or 5 to go to night

1 vote for Korvalain (Barghast)
2 votes for Kalse (Ampelas, Osseric)
1 vote for osseric (Rashan)
1 vote for Eloth (Korvalain)

the following people have not voted: Alkend, Galayn Lord, Eloth, Kalse, Tellan


I'm going to bed, tapper should be along shortly to steer you through the day
-ment

[Kalse]

Ampelas, on 13 October 2010 - 06:17 AM, said:

Rashan, on 13 October 2010 - 01:33 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 12 October 2010 - 05:10 PM, said:

Difficult choice. Chaos is not the biggest threat today, but they are slippery and we might not spot whoever Korvalain jumps into. Looked mad but actually a xeno implies either Chaos or Tyrannid to me and I am leaning towards Tyrannid. Especially if there is some sort of incubation period for the recruitment.

If Osseric is telling the truth then Kalse is the better lynch. I don't think it is an eldar play. I definitely don't think it is an eldar mechanic, it would be too strong. It could very well be clever play by Chaos. Osseric has exposed himself in a big way though. If it does appear that Korv jumps tonight, he will be under a lot of pressure.

vote Kalse

But I am willing to switch to Korvalain or Osseric if someone can provide a compelling argument.

Xeno means not town according to the rules. (underlining mine)

How will Korv be under pressure if he jumps? Korv will be dead and if it was someone badly faking texting in, they can stop doing so.

I will try to find the time to go back over both of their posts, but it does seem to me that Osserc and Barghast have been agreeing more lately than in the early game, when Bargy was driving the lynch on Osserc. The newest reveal could be seen as an attempt to drive a quick lynch as Bargy's Korv revelations stalled out short of one. But maybe that impression is just due to how few people are posting a fair amount of content though. If it wasn't potentially D-Day I would be gunning for a low poster or two.

Do you have anything to say that makes sense

It would help if you underlined the whole sentence, not only the part that looks suspect when read in isolation. Osseric's reveal stated that he was told that Kalse had been observed. At first Kalse appeared mad but further investigation revealed him to be a xeno. After reading up on the universe this sounds like someone who has been infected by the genestealer cult, or someone who has been possed by a demon. Indicating Kalse is likely to be Tyrannid.

If Korvalain jumps, Osseric will be under pressure tomorrow. Could have been clearer with my pronouns.

Kalse, on 13 October 2010 - 05:27 AM, said:

Korvalain, on 13 October 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

If osserics an eldar his discs are simpley a ploy 2 vote of his team m8s, thats the thought im leaning towards atm,

well im off 2 the beach, will post more when i get home

I will respond to the rest of the thread when I have a bit more time, but this honestly hadn't occurred to me. Osseric's successful pointing out of a Xeno earlier in the game made me think he was inno (at least back then), and either had false info now, or had been recruited in between.

But that's not actually a bad idea, Korv. And pretty ballsy to put it out there when you're the primary alternative lynch to me, kudos.

If this is the case, we can't really do anything about it, because Osseric will probably be Eldar himself, so by your logic, lynching me or him is a bad idea. Leave it up to the NK-capable players to handle us?

How does this make even a modicumof sense? The only people who want to lynch their team mates are the eldar. Do you think Osseric has somehow been recruited by the Eldar? That's what you are implying. Or do you think Osseric has been Eldar all game? Meaning you are his partner and are asking to be targetted by an NK. I'm not buying it.

That's not what I was implying at all. I said, if you read it, "Osseric's successful pointing out of a Xeno earlier in the game made me think he was inno (at least back then), and either had false info now, or had been recruited in between."

I THEN say that Korv's idea of Osseric being Eldar was not actually a bad idea. Notice the line break. And the "But". Indicates that it's a change of tack. As in, "I used to think x, but y is not a bad idea". Independent.

So it actually makes complete sense. I said it's a good idea, and that I hadn't thought of it. As in: this makes sense. However, I'm not Eldar, and so it can't be true, but you guys don't know that, and I was curious as to what implications that had for Korvalain's voting today, as he then obviously can't vote either of us. As in, "how far have you thought this through?".

Don't buy into it if you don't want to, but reading it as it was intended rather than reading it so it doesn't make sense should help you understand it a bit better.

[Tapper]

I is here.

[Kalse]

Barghast, on 12 October 2010 - 08:01 PM, said:

Here's your first post and really the only thing I can see you pushing for.

Kalse, on 04 October 2010 - 08:55 PM, said:

Based on this, the top threats to me are the Eldar, because we can't just lynch them (it seems), and the Chaos. Both of them have dual achievable conditions, which is going to make them hard to stamp out. Humans are feeling really outmatched, I think. XD

I have a theory that the 3 drop pods resulted in 3 human groups, each with their own leader, and each squad was a small counter to one of the factions. Kalse is borderline claiming to be one leader (Flemming I'm guessing since he has the hint that several us of should know him), possibly a counter to Eldar or Chaos. The problem is that Kalse wasn't my squad leader (I can't reveal who it is, sorry) so... I really have nothing to say one way or the other as to his validity.

Not claiming Flemming. Or anything else for that matter - rules are rules.

But I concur with your 3 drop pod theory. It makes sense, and it would be nice to think we had specific roles to at least partially counter the other factions.


Anyway, I am about to go to bed, and as no-one has had anything further to say, I feel I need to leave a vote now, in case I don't make it back for deadline.

Out of the candidates as they stand, last update by PS:

1 vote for Korvalain (Barghast)
2 votes for Kalse (Ampelas, Osseric)
1 vote for osseric (Rashan)
1 vote for Eloth (Korvalain)

I feel that Eloth is a risky vote, as we don't have anything on him than "low-poster" and "talks random crap". Osseric carries the historical support of his finds. I obviously can't vote for myself. And the case against Korv is the only one that is an actual 'case', rather than based on Osseric's reveal or low-posting. But said case carries with it the implication that he is an FM, which is not where we want to be lynching today - we want to be lynching cult.

As Osseric has brought a false accusation against me, I have no choice but to conclude he is scum or being mislead by scum. If he was Eldar, he has no reason to get me lynched as I am not Eldar, so therefore:

Vote Osseric

If it wasn't him, I'd have to go for Eloth, as Korv is most likely FM, not cult. I'm still willing to change my vote, but I seriously doubt I will be on in time for that,

I really don't have any choice other than Osseric at the moment though. He's not the best lynch - I am. That's obvious even from here. Moreso as I don't have to consider Korvalain's theory, which rules out me being Eldar. But to vote for Korv (FM candidate) or Eloth (low-posting) is just...irresponsible by comparison to voting for the person who, having once given us a Xeno, claims I am scum when I know I am not.

/end justification

Will see the result tomorrow morning, I guess.

EDIT: Said 'him' when I meant 'me' in that last large paragraph.

This post has been edited by Kalse: 13 October 2010 - 10:01 AM