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mafia 65 game thread Poker - high stakes

#141 User is offline   HoosierDaddy 

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:03 AM

I thought I was going to win that pot, by the way. Ace-queen suited? Fucking fail. Always.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:03 AM

View PostH.D., on 30 September 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:

Dealer-chip doesn't apply to bets kids.

Well, feck.
As for why Silencer, well, you were the latest to post before me.
No other reason.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:05 AM

View PostSilencer, on 30 September 2010 - 08:54 AM, said:

Nice balls Tapper.

Any particular reason you're gunning for me, or just for the hell of it?

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For wanting to dealer-lynch me, obviously. And to give everyone a viable alternative that will make them feel safer than leaving a one-shot kill out there on someone who we know has at least 10 chips - that means we get two chips each out of his lynch. :)

Oh, I'll just spend as many as I can before I keel over... like betting the other 8 :D
The funny thing is, if you do the same, we still get one chip from it, the minimum, which is more or less what I expect to get from it.

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:08 AM

This is the Weirrdest game of Mafia ever.

(And by ever, I mean that I've seen).
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:11 AM

View PostSilencer, on 30 September 2010 - 08:54 AM, said:

Nice balls Tapper.

Any particular reason you're gunning for me, or just for the hell of it?

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For wanting to dealer-lynch me, obviously. And to give everyone a viable alternative that will make them feel safer than leaving a one-shot kill out there on someone who we know has at least 10 chips - that means we get two chips each out of his lynch. :)

Also, as for the ten chips I have... you betted 2 on Grief being lynched, meaning gaining 1 chip from the lynch, 4 from your bet, leaving you at 9. You're also Silencer - don't deny you love to kill. PB was one of the people to bet. I'd search for his killer amongst those who posted or were online after PB or Bent (who after all won 6 chips) placed his bet, and before night resolution.

You are a prime candidate to have killed one of them, both by your reputation, but also by virtue of being alive and having posted after both of them, and thus, a potential stack leader.


EDIT: By contrast, unless I'm extremely lucky or omniscient, this was during night time for me... betting times are at 3 AM. So little chance I killed either of them to increase my stack.

There, an honest to god case why people should vote on you.

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:18 AM

I just find it funny you have two chips dedicated to Silencer's lynch now, no matter what.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:19 AM

View PostH.D., on 30 September 2010 - 09:18 AM, said:

I just find it funny you have two chips dedicated to Silencer's lynch now, no matter what.

Yeah. In case I get lynched, well, the train won't get those :)
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:20 AM

and if I live and Silencer does not get lynched, those two lower my total so I'm no longer a big fish. If he does get lynched, it is a modest yield, so others are likely to top that.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:24 AM

View PostH.D., on 30 September 2010 - 09:00 AM, said:

Dealer-chip doesn't apply to bets kids.


Dammit, I was trying to get him to waste his dealer kill, Hoosier. *sigh*

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View PostSilencer, on 30 September 2010 - 08:54 AM, said:

Nice balls Tapper.

Any particular reason you're gunning for me, or just for the hell of it?

Vote Tapper

For wanting to dealer-lynch me, obviously. And to give everyone a viable alternative that will make them feel safer than leaving a one-shot kill out there on someone who we know has at least 10 chips - that means we get two chips each out of his lynch. :)

Also, as for the ten chips I have... you betted 2 on Grief being lynched, meaning gaining 1 chip from the lynch, 4 from your bet, leaving you at 9. You're also Silencer - don't deny you love to kill. PB was one of the people to bet. I'd search for his killer amongst those who posted or were online after PB or Bent (who after all won 6 chips) placed his bet, and before night resolution.

You are a prime candidate to have killed one of them, both by your reputation, but also by virtue of being alive and having posted after both of them, and thus, a potential stack leader.


EDIT: By contrast, unless I'm extremely lucky or omniscient, this was during night time for me... betting times are at 3 AM. So little chance I killed either of them to increase my stack.

There, an honest to god case why people should vote on you.



Congratulations on the meta content, Tapper. O.o

I don't deny that I love to kill - Soldier card, for the win! But that hardly means I tried to kill Peanut or Bent. It lends a bit of credence to your theory, but I may have tried to kill anyone. I know I spent a chip on protection, too. I've also already entered into the dealer pot for tonight, and committed another chip to protection tonight, so I really don't have many chips left. :S
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:26 AM

Don't mislead, Silencer. You got 4 from yesterday which would have paid for all of those actions tonight you are talking about.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:29 AM

There are a couple of people stacked with chips right now, though. The killers of Bent and PB are loaded.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:36 AM

View PostSilencer, on 30 September 2010 - 08:54 AM, said:




Congratulations on the meta content, Tapper. O.o

Come on, this lynch came together thanks to several people being online at the same time.
Everyone on the train profited, but the ones that profited most are the ones placing bets and deciding which train to form. It can't really coincidence that 2 of the 4 who made the decision on who to lynch got murderified, and that they are the only ones who died last night.

To me, you and HD are the primary candidates to have caused the kills as there were suddenly massive spoils to be had - Venge came online too late, as did Shin.

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:36 AM

I honestly don't want to choose between you two right now. Both of you have a decent amount of chips, though.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:37 AM

Meh, I didn't kill anybody.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:38 AM

I was 3rd Tapper. Are you conveniently forgetting about Bent?
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:40 AM

View PostH.D., on 30 September 2010 - 09:38 AM, said:

I was 3rd Tapper. Are you conveniently forgetting about Bent?

Nope. Bent could have (a shared?) kill on PB, and his own killer would then gain a real shitload of stuff.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:45 AM

That's... attenuated, to be honest.

The fact that I readily turned, as I said I would is not evidence of shit other than I'll vote for anyone as I said I would.

I'm unsure as to your reasoning as to the kills: I anticipated who would hammer and put in a provisional on that person? Or lickety-split changed it?
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:47 AM

@Hoosier - mislead? Paid for, yes, but that still brings me down from large game, like Tapper has clearly stated he is.

You also have to consider, Tapper, that PB, Bent, Hoosier and I had a good thing going. Ruining that by killing our own backup (of sorts...loose coalition for a day at least) is kinda stupid.

In any case, outside of meta - and yes, this is altless, yes, it may make sense, but it is STILL meta - your primary motive for trying to get rid of me is nothing. Perhaps that I'm one of only two players left who willingly gathered together to lynch another party? That would make sense, as it makes me a threat to you if Hoosier and I decided to pull the same thing today. Smart play, but a bit alienating to Hoosier, and Vengeance who was quite keen to get in on the deal also...

@Hoosier, you don't have to choose between us. Tapper has placed his chips on lynching me, which he will now lose whether his dealer-lynch on me succeeds or not unless I am lynched. That doesn't mean you have to side with one of us at all. You could still vote Shin or Vengeance, and I'm sure you would get some support, which would eventually swing everyone around.

There's no point in betting on my lynch until Tapper has used his dealer lynch, though, because he may yet decide to use it on someone else and push a normal lynch through on me (as it doesn't gain him chips either way), and he may use his dealer lynch on me once you put chips down on my death, in which case you lose your bet on my lynch as I can no longer be lynched. :)
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:47 AM

View PostH.D., on 30 September 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

Meh, I didn't kill anybody.


OK, so these are all the options.

* PB killed Bent and vice versa. No-one profits, unless one or both of them protected themselves, in which case, the others putting in a kill end up with at the least half their stack.

* one of the dead (say, PB) killed the other (say, Bent), someone else killed the killing dead (in this case, PB). One person is absolutely loaded now, or two, if the killing dead also protected himself.

* two people on the train killed the other 2.

Now, I didn't submit a night action, nor did I protect myself, as with 3 and 4 off-suit I felt I was absolutely fucked regarding my winning chances in poker, and didn't want to drop to 3 chips on day 2. Having three chips means you're fucked, as you can go full active only once (play poker, take a night action and protect yourself once) before you're essentially a RI and dependant upon lynches for chips.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:53 AM

View PostTapper, on 30 September 2010 - 09:47 AM, said:

View PostH.D., on 30 September 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

Meh, I didn't kill anybody.


OK, so these are all the options.

* PB killed Bent and vice versa. No-one profits, unless one or both of them protected themselves, in which case, the others putting in a kill end up with at the least half their stack.

* one of the dead (say, PB) killed the other (say, Bent), someone else killed the killing dead (in this case, PB). One person is absolutely loaded now, or two, if the killing dead also protected himself.

* two people on the train killed the other 2.

Now, I didn't submit a night action, nor did I protect myself, as with 3 and 4 off-suit I felt I was absolutely fucked regarding my winning chances in poker, and didn't want to drop to 3 chips on day 2. Having three chips means you're fucked, as you can go full active only once (play poker, take a night action and protect yourself once) before you're essentially a RI and dependant upon lynches for chips.


All of thse are tottally buyable for me. You all play these games like a zero sum game. You take out the best players first. So, am I surprised that Bent and PB are gone? Absofuckinglutely not. Which is also why I didn't spend a damn chip on my own protection last night. I knew none of you guys would kill me. Why waste a kill on me?
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