[Stalker]

Yeah DiBs, I heard that as well. Which is part of the reason that I told my friend he was crazy.

But still, that seed has been planted. While I think it is Earth I doubt we will know for certain, at least until it comes up in the show. Which I bet it will.

[Werthead]

drinksinbars, on Jan 15 2009, 05:19 PM, said:

spoiler about earth below

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i watched the webisodes, first thing it says is five days after finding a devastated earth

This is speculation, not spoilers, so I don't think we need to spoiler-text it.

But one theory is:

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That what the Colonials call 'Earth' isn't our Earth. The Earth in the show is indeed the 13th Colony, destroyed by war, but the survivors went and founded a new colony which they called 'New Earth' or something, and THAT planet is our Earth tens or hundreds of thousands of years in the past. At some point there is a cataclysm and humanity reverts to savagery and civilisation builds up again to our time period.

But meh, I'd much prefer it if it was our Earth millennia in the future, and it was confirmed that Earth was the original human homeworld, not Kobol.

[Stalker]

Well, it happens tomorrow, so I'm betting there will be a lot to talk about here.

My only problem is that the cable in my room doesn't come in well for the sci-fi channel. I will have to either watch it tomorrow and have it look terrible or wait another day or so until I can get to a DVR. I am leanly towards crap because I want to see it, but still.

This post has been edited by Stalker: 16 January 2009 - 02:43 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! BSG!


Edit:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 17 January 2009 - 04:01 AM

[Stalker]

BOOOOOOO?????

I liked it, except the part where the recording stoped 4 minutes early, so I had to stay up until now to catch the second showing.

This post has been edited by Stalker: 17 January 2009 - 06:38 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

I enjoyed the show, not the final cylon. That was the BOOO(infintum).

Was really shocked by the: death spoiler

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Dee? Whoever, just straight offing-theirself.

Sweet.

[Catherine]

Well, I was not surprised at the final cylon as I saw an interview with Tricia Hefler on the Space Channel (in all fairness she probably didn't even realize what she said would make sense to anyone let alone me) and something she said let me to realize who it was. On the other hand I was really tired while watching the webisodes so didn't get the full benefit of what was going on. Will have to watch again when fully awake.

Catherine

[RodeoRanch]

This show drives me crazy. Enjoyed it but hell, I want some damned answers.

[Kurt Montandon]

Briar King, on Jan 17 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

Cylon number 5 is bullshit! I didn't care about that character when they where on the show to begin with.

I still think it's a misdirection.

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The Fifth has to be Dee - I think she killed herself because that locket she found on "Earth" had a picture of her as a baby, which is why she hung it directly below her actual baby picture.

Or, at least, that's how I would write it - with Tigh's vision just being a superimposed delusion (an event that really happened in his Cylon past, but the person's face that he saw was of his own devising). I still hold out hope that the creators are this devious ... but not much hope.

[Stalker]

Well if you think it is misdirection then what

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about Starbuck's crashed ship and body? She is alive yet there as well.

[frookenhauer]

I'm way behind on my battlestar stuffand I've just started to watch season 2, and its massive So I'm not going to read any ofg the above cos its bound to be full to the gills with spoilers. Glad I'm not alone, not that I would be with a series that is so frikkin awesome.

[Werthead]

Briar King, on Jan 17 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

Cylon number 5 is bullshit! I didn't care about that character when they where on the show to begin with.

Really? There were very, very few logical choices for who the Fifth was, and once certain other elements were revealed (in this episode), the number of people it could be fell to about three choices, and this is the one that made by far the most sense out of them.

I get the impression some people (not you Briar King, but certainly some on the Sci-Fi Channel website) are really annoyed about the significance of the revelation rather than the revelation itself:

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That the Fifth isn't the Cylon god, isn't the man behind the curtain orchestrating everything, it's just someone like the other Four who didn't know who or what they were. What is more interesting is well is that this episode confirms that the other Four all died in the holocaust on Earth and somehow came back, so the Final Five do have some kind of resurrection mechanism and hence Ellen could well reappear in the here and now as well.

[Stalker]

The one thing that I was thinking about is that

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if Earth was a cylon colony like they said, then with all remains that were found... you would almost think there were more than the 12 cylon models there. To me it seems strange to populate a world with the same models over and over

[Binder of Demons]

So I'm still a bit confused. But I'm hopeful that there is a definite plan.

Now the one question i have is about Starbuck.

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My take on her is that she actually was the harbinger of death to everyone on Earth, i.e. her arrival and crash triggered the original holocaust. Is that insane? Doesn't explain how she came to be back in a new viper in the same timeframe though. But it seemed to be what they were suggesting to me?

But I still don't get what had the cylon guy with her so freaked out as they approach the crashed viper?

My head hurts.

This post has been edited by Binder of Demons: 19 January 2009 - 11:56 AM

[Werthead]

@ Stalker:

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The Cylons on Earth appear to have been mostly skinjobs and individuals, presumably born and bred as normal. In effect there are few differences between them and normal humans. However, my guess is that the Five were special and acted as guardians for the rest of the 13th Colony. This fits with them being the Five Priests who built the temple on the Algae Planet on the original trip from Kobol to Earth. When Earth was destroyed all of the rest were killed, but the Five had an escape plan ready (maybe the very first resurrection ship hiding in orbit or something).

@ Binder of Demons

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There appears to have been some bad editing given how many people seem to have reached this conclusion: Starbuck's Viper crashed on Earth at the same time, or microseconds after, the events in Maelstrom, so about 3-4 months ago in the timeline of the series. She didn't go back in time as there would be nothing left of the Viper or her corpse. Also, the crashing of a single Viper on Earth probably wouldn't have started the war, unless it had crashed right into the middle of a city and gone off like a nuke, which clearly didn't happen. Given that Starbuck's body was found relatively intact, it's likely the Viper was transported to just above Earth and soft-landed rather than careened into it from orbit.

[Binder of Demons]

@ Wert - Cheers for that. I kinda knew that in my head, but like you said the editing was poor and it definitely seemed to be implying the other thing.
You'd think after years of "the timeline is not important" here on this site, I'd be hesitant with any theories involving timeline discrepancies.

The one thing that has me worried though, is that I read an interview with Ron Moore, and it seems they (the writers/producers) didn't even know the identity of the final cylon themselves until after the end of season3. For me that doesn't bode well for a satisfying conclusion to a show i really like. I only pray that they do figure out an internally consistent way to conclude what's been a really good show. So 9 episodes to send it off in style. Fingers crossed.

[Stalker]

@Briar

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I don't think she found her locket, just A locket.
We never got a close up of the inside, it was probably some random people. Just like the jacs that she picked up, not hers but memories of Earth maybe?

This post has been edited by Stalker: 19 January 2009 - 08:18 PM

[Macros]

well, I watched
I digested
I shit myself at the end.
great episode, had me confusled and guessing the whole way through and left me stumped, spoiler time:

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ELLEN? WTF!!!!!!!!! as soon as I saw dualla acting all fruity I figured she was the cylon, then started second guessing, too obvious, then starbuck finds bits of herr viper, cert for the cylon, a bit rippin, the cylon bodies - EPIC, fucking LOVED that part.
Starbuck finds her corpse, dualla shoots herself, I'm betting on starbuck, then the last minute, fraking ellen tigh!
screw me with a bargepole and call me steve cause I am confused as get out.
My theory - kobol made cylons, there was a war, kaboom, etc, there were only 12 models THEN, once the cylons and human called truce, the cylons headed for earth, the 12 colonies their own way. somehow way down the line it goes pear shaped, so its a terrible theory i can't join the dots just yet, needa think for a while.

quick edit to add:
@briar

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she didnt find her locket, she found a game of jacks, the locket was her parents who died on caprica afiak

This post has been edited by Macros: 19 January 2009 - 08:55 PM

[cerveza_fiesta]

Here's my speculation on the whole thing.

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I am racking my brain trying to figure out what the hell possessed them to make Ellen Tigh the fifth cylon. She's so insignificant to the whole thing, this is the only thing I could think of that would make sense:

Did anybody think about how there are 12 cylon models but the number 13 shows up more often in the series. The 13th colony...the 13 lords of kobol... I've been thinking since last season that it's weird for them to only have 12 cylon models. Maybe there's a 13th cylon model as well that even the current 12 cylon models don't know about. I mean, nobody knew about the extra 5 models beyond the first 7 until they started talking to the soup lady (the lady in the white soup that controls the base star). It also would help to have an extra unknown cylon where we obviously now have Starbuck being resurrected.

There's got to be some kind of link through the whole god aspect of the show. Gods are usually viewed as creators, so possibly the original 13 lords of cobol ARE the (hypothetical) 13 cylon models. They were responsible for the creation of the colonies or maybe had some kind of leadership role in the founding of the colonies. Of course the details get fuzzy over thousands of years, which led to the god-ification of the the 13 lords and the writing of prophecies etc etc. It seems reasonable that the 13 lords then had some kind of leadership crisis (like we saw in Season 3 and 4 with the rebel cylons) and 6 of the 13 split off and decided to go to earth to live amongst the population, leaving a secret resurrection ship someplace so that they could go back to rejoin the other 7 if anything bad (like nuclear war) ever happened. Might explain why starbuck miraculously resurrected and returned when we now know she crashed on the planet.

That and the fact that the original skinjob models go from 6 (blondy mcSexy) to 8 (boomer) and there's never been mention of a "seven".

Hope to frack they move it along soon. I get the impression there's going to be a pretty awesome rebellion here pretty soon. Galactica has GOT to get blown up. It just has to. It's the only reasonable thing they can do with it at this point.

My guess for the ending:

The fleet splits or fights or both, either way there's only a handful of survivors both human and skinjob-cylon...conveniently enough to repopulate a nearby planet (earth). The remaining cylons, being cut-off from their resurrection technology help the remaining humans de-radiate a small portion of the planet so that they can live on it. BSG is destroyed and the fleet/wreckage dispersed so there's nothing for the bad cylons to find and earth populates once again.

BUT....cut to a scene of a resurrection ship on the dark side of the moon...which is the secret resurrector for the 6 cylon models that originally split off to live on earth, letting us know that the pithian prophecy of rebirth etc etc will happen again in the future.

Episode 12 was great too. Except for the whiney bits about the president and

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the gross part where adama and the prez are cuddling their wrinkly bodies at the end of the episode

. It pretty much set the stage for the rest of the season I thought. Uprisings, plots...should be cool.

This post has been edited by cerveza_fiesta: 27 January 2009 - 01:22 PM

[Macros]

good episode.
Theory somewhat similar to what I was running on CF except I was thinking:

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the 12th model is actually the entire earth colony, a type of cylon capable of breeding.
Your version is more logcal than mine though so we'll sldie with it for now.
Gata is really starting to frak me off right now, how can he not see that Zaric doesn't give a rats ass about humanity, only about himself.
Why hasn't someone killed Giaus douchebag baltar yet.
I think the nurse is going to terminate Six's pregnancy accidentally on purpose, and the aside that hotdog is the real daddio of the other kiddy mean hera really willb e the saviour child. or sometihng silly.
As for Ellen Tigh - we still have to consider the fucked up situation with starbucks corpse being on fallout earth.