[Gorrath]

Hi

I'm about to start House of Chains but it's been a long while since I've read the previous books.

Anyone knows a website with a summary for Deadhouse Gates?
One for Memories of Ice could be useful too.

Thanks a lot

This post has been edited by Silencer: 27 August 2010 - 10:44 AM
Reason for edit: Added spoiler warning to thread title.

[Beezulbubba]

http://woodge.com/books/malazan.html

[Gorrath]

Beezulbubba, on 24 August 2010 - 02:52 AM, said:

http://woodge.com/books/malazan.html

Thanks!

[Use Of Weapons]

Beezulbubba, on 24 August 2010 - 02:52 AM, said:

http://woodge.com/books/malazan.html

Wow, that guy is clueless.

[Abyss]

Some of the details are wrong...

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Felisin, Ganoe Paran's younger sister, is being sold into slavery. Her companions are Baudin and Heboric Light Touch (an erstwhile priest of Fener, blind and handless).

Coltaine, the leader of the Crow Clan, is the new Fist. He holds a council in Hissar which Duiker (Imperial Historian) attends. Duiker attaches himself to Coltaine's crew.

High Fist Pormqual held the fleet at Aren, and all the major cities on the Chain of Dogs route were held by the Whirlwind, which meant even if Coltaine took one back and held it, there would be no relief and the refugees would die all the same. Aren was the only city within (near suicidal) reach that was held by the Malazans and could be expected to remain held.

Felisin isn't sold into slavery. She's culled and sent to work in the mines. Heboric isn't blind at that point in the story and Duiker doesn't attach himself to anyone, rather Coltaine tells him he's now attached. And the Whirlwind hasn't attacked at that point.

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Fiddler, Crokus & Apsalar eventually meet up with Iskaral Pust and his Servant (later revealed to be Rellock, Apsalar's father!).

Kalam heads off on his own, eventually reaching Aren via warren. Boards a ship heading out and meets fellow mysterious traveler Salk Elan.

Companion travelers Mappo and Icarium meet up with Fiddler, Crokus, Apsalar, Iskaral Pust, Rellock. Mappo is wary of his friend Icarium. Icarium in turn is not in full possession of his memories. He is half-Jaghut and we later learn he is thousands of years old. Mappo is also aware that Icarium's temper is not something you want to provoke to anger. They all head towards Tremolor, the Azath house in the midst of the Raraku desert.

Fid and co meet Mappo and Icarium, THEN Pust.

Kalam was headed off on his own way back at the beginning of the book.

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Felisin becomes Sha'ik Reborn. Her three high mages are: Bidithal (female);

Nope. Wrong gender.

SPOILER HOC SPOILER

Spoiler

at least not until the end of HoC, albeit briefly and only in the penis-less sense.

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Fiddler re-enlists and is deposited at Smiley's Tavern (on his way to Mock's Hold?).

The 'Fiddler re-enlists' part is right. The rest not really.

It's a good effort but the finer details are really confused.

This post has been edited by Abyss: 25 August 2010 - 06:55 PM
Reason for edit: de-snide-ify

[amphibian]

Doesn't caladanbrood (the forum member) have some plot summaries up for the first couple books?

There should be some good stuff to work with on the Malazan Wiki as well.

[woodge]

Boy, you guys are splitting hairs.

So was my summary of MoI any closer?

~ the clueless guy

[Beezulbubba]

woodge, on 25 August 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Boy, you guys are splitting hairs.

So was my summary of MoI any closer?

~ the clueless guy

I didn't read the Deadhouse Gates summary. When I was reading MoI, I would look over the summary of the parts I just finished.

This in the MoI summary . . .

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Quick Ben has slowed down Burn's infection. Oh? How? Not sure. [895]

. . . was not a secret how Burn's infection was slowed.

[EDIT] by the way, do you plan on doing a summary of House of Chains?

This post has been edited by Beezulbubba: 25 August 2010 - 05:50 PM

[amphibian]

woodge, on 25 August 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

So was my summary of MoI any closer?

Here goes:

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Basically, Kallor was king and, in a pissy mood, ruins a whole continent.

I know you intend to be snide a bit, but this does a genuine disservice to the material. Yes, Kallor did that. However, a ton of other things were given in that prologue: the names of the Elder Gods, the curses, the creation of the Imperial Warren, the fall of the Crippled God etc. etc. You left out all of that.

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In southern Genabackis, near the city of Morn, Toc the Younger suddenly finds himself on a barren obsidian-strewn plain. Was he spit out of a warren?

If you recall, back in GotM, Toc fell into a Chaotic rent along with Tool. He managed to either drift or struggle to the same place the First Sword did.

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Quick Ben planted a tracking pebble within Munug's gear. Munug ambles his way toward Pale but sneaks into a warren which contains the smoky tent of the Crippled God. Munug's leg tumors are healed by the god but the healing leaves Munug's legs useless. D'oh!

You missed the part about the cards and what they signify.

I can go on and do the whole thing, but the problem lies with your shorter summaries. You mix and match character names (Senu and Thurule), leave out some pretty crucial parts (who Buke is and why he wants to follow Baluchelain and Broach around), misunderstand how the Azath, holds and houses are being discussed or why they're being discussed and so on. The longer summaries are better and more accurate, especially when you refer to specific passages.

I stopped reading at a certain point, so there's quite a bit more to go through. However, I did skip way down to the bottom to see how you handled the very last bit. Duiker's resurrection isn't a surprise. The end of DG laid it out right there for you to see.

[ansible]

woodge, on 25 August 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Boy, you guys are splitting hairs.

So was my summary of MoI any closer?

~ the clueless guy

The problem is that this series is one that relies heavily on details. The details are important and you don't seem to treat them that way.

First:

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I also have annotated this with many snide comments.

This is really annoying, actually. It makes the summary less useful because you don't care about being accurate, as stated here:

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(I may have that backwards--doesn't matter)

It's fine if you don't like the book but you need to be impartial when writing something that is supposed to be a factual guide for other people. It does matter, by the way.

I skimmed your MoI bit.

Spoiler

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Kallor, on his throne in his warren, is visited by Gethol, Herald to the Crippled God in his newly fashioned House of Chains.

Kallor does not have a warren. He is in his own tent in the middle of Brood's and Dujek's army when this happens.

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Duiker's been resurrected?! WTF?! [910-913]

Again, careful reading of Deadhouse Gates would have explained about how Duiker's soul is captured and his body recovered.

It's fine to have questions or not understand something, but those elements are generally not helpful in a summary.

[Beezulbubba]

Sorry Woodge, I wouldn't have posted the link to your blog if I knew you were going to get reamed. You are OK in my book, at least you have given a summary of DG and MoI a go... cheers man!


I hope you do a summary for House of Chains.... don't let the criticism discourage you! I guess it points out the passion readers have for MBotF.

[Abyss]

woodge, on 25 August 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Boy, you guys are splitting hairs.

So was my summary of MoI any closer?

~ the clueless guy

Okay i grant my upthread response to your DG summary was piling snide upon snide, post now editted to de-snide. You clearly like the books and actually bothered to post your thoughts and i'm not going to slam anyone who shares that.

But strictly imnsho and for what it's worth from a random pixel-person on an internut fan forum, your detail could be a bit better if you're going to summarize something for other readers.

[Salt-Man Z]

amphibian, on 25 August 2010 - 06:00 PM, said:

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In southern Genabackis, near the city of Morn, Toc the Younger suddenly finds himself on a barren obsidian-strewn plain. Was he spit out of a warren?

If you recall, back in GotM, Toc fell into a Chaotic rent along with Tool. He managed to either drift or struggle to the same place the First Sword did.

Toc was tossed into a warren (not identified as chaotic at the time) by Hairlock. Tool wasn't even around.

[Beezulbubba]

Salt-Man Z, on 26 August 2010 - 03:27 PM, said:

amphibian, on 25 August 2010 - 06:00 PM, said:

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In southern Genabackis, near the city of Morn, Toc the Younger suddenly finds himself on a barren obsidian-strewn plain. Was he spit out of a warren?

If you recall, back in GotM, Toc fell into a Chaotic rent along with Tool. He managed to either drift or struggle to the same place the First Sword did.

Toc was tossed into a warren (not identified as chaotic at the time) by Hairlock. Tool wasn't even around.

That's how I remember it.

[amphibian]

Salt-Man Z, on 26 August 2010 - 03:27 PM, said:

Toc was tossed into a warren (not identified as chaotic at the time) by Hairlock. Tool wasn't even around.

Tossed/fell in - same difference. Hairlock worked with the chaotic stuff - is an easy inference. Tool went in as well. I'll dig up the scene tomorrow and post it on here.

[ansible]

amphibian, on 26 August 2010 - 06:23 PM, said:

Salt-Man Z, on 26 August 2010 - 03:27 PM, said:

Toc was tossed into a warren (not identified as chaotic at the time) by Hairlock. Tool wasn't even around.

Tossed/fell in - same difference. Hairlock worked with the chaotic stuff - is an easy inference. Tool went in as well. I'll dig up the scene tomorrow and post it on here.

Gardens of the Moon, Tor MMPB, p.434 said:

Hairlock laughed again, swinging his mad stare to Toc. He gestured.

Paran cried out, twisting to see Toc thrown from his mount. The Claw cartwheeled through the air. A jagged tear opened in the air in front of him. Paran shouted a second time in helpless horror as Toc the Younger plunged into that tear and disappeared into swirling mists. The rent closed with a snap, leaving no sign of Paran's companion.

No mention of Tool at all. Just as absolute proof, though, a few pages later Tool and Lorn are still together, getting ready to enter Raest's barrow.

Gardens of the Moon, Tor MMPB, p.457 said:

"Adjunct."

Startled, Lorn looked up to see Tool standing over her. Frost covered the warrior, steaming in the heat.

They enter the barrow afterward. Later, Tool attacks Raest in Kruppe's dream; K'rul offers Raest a bargain, which he responds to by abandoning his Jaghut body.

In MoI:

Spoiler

Tool heads south to Morn to wait for Lady Envy and find out what's happening at Morn. I believe then he heads to find the Summoner (Silverfox), but detours to recover Toc when he is taken by the Seer.

This post has been edited by ansible: 26 August 2010 - 08:20 PM

[Salt-Man Z]

Yep. Doing the reread right now. At the point when Toc disappears, Tool's only just found Raest's barrow marker with Lorn.

[Silencer]

OK, guys, just a quick reminder that this is the Deadhouse Gates sub-forum, and this thread is rife with MoI spoilers for the unwary. I've added a subtitle to the thread warning of this, but in future try to put spoiler tags where possible.

Thanks,

Silencer