[Abyss]

jitsukerr, on 20 August 2010 - 03:11 PM, said:

When Fiddler is escorting Apsalar and Crokus in DHG, they take the guise of a pair of newlyweds and their guide. Apsalar threatens to curse them by lifting her veil, and Fiddler is riding a Gral horse. The horse reacts to the soldiers' hostility and tears at the face of one of them, ripping off half the flesh. Fiddler has trouble with the horse, but it settles down and he thinks to himself that the horse is responding to him because he's acting appropriately, even if he's not actually a Gral.

The soldier that the horse attacks is Brokeface, whom Paran encounters in Dujek's camp.

An aside to the topic, but that horse is one of my many favourite things in DG. The bit in the Whirlwind wall where it guards Fid from the shapeshifters absolutely kills me.

[End of Disc One]

There was an offhand mention in an earlier book about how Rake would have to come face to face with vengeance.

[Abyss]

End of Disc One, on 20 August 2010 - 04:03 PM, said:

There was an offhand mention in an earlier book about how Rake would have to come face to face with vengeance.

Iirc that's FW's prophecy at a tile reading in MT, something like 'The son of the dark will meet his own vengeance'.

The various prophecies throughout the series are tricky, because it's hard to remember them specifically, but on the re-read you catch all kinds of refs. By the time we read that one in particular in MT we already know that Rake is the son of darkness (back to GotM) and that his old sword Vengeance has been taken up by Traveller/Dassem (HoC).


To this day i still wonder which Jaghut ritual Sorno refers to in DG, that will release something awful when it unravels.

[Sindriss]

jitsukerr, on 20 August 2010 - 03:11 PM, said:

When Fiddler is escorting Apsalar and Crokus in DHG, they take the guise of a pair of newlyweds and their guide. Apsalar threatens to curse them by lifting her veil, and Fiddler is riding a Gral horse. The horse reacts to the soldiers' hostility and tears at the face of one of them, ripping off half the flesh. Fiddler has trouble with the horse, but it settles down and he thinks to himself that the horse is responding to him because he's acting appropriately, even if he's not actually a Gral.

The soldier that the horse attacks is Brokeface, whom Paran encounters in Dujek's camp.

Good job repeating what the OP wrote? Or are you refering to some similar event?

Also, Brokeface is not in Dujek's camp, but a minion of Poliel, who was spreading a plague across 7 cities.

[Lister of Smeg]

Sindriss, on 20 August 2010 - 04:19 PM, said:

jitsukerr, on 20 August 2010 - 03:11 PM, said:

When Fiddler is escorting Apsalar and Crokus in DHG, they take the guise of a pair of newlyweds and their guide. Apsalar threatens to curse them by lifting her veil, and Fiddler is riding a Gral horse. The horse reacts to the soldiers' hostility and tears at the face of one of them, ripping off half the flesh. Fiddler has trouble with the horse, but it settles down and he thinks to himself that the horse is responding to him because he's acting appropriately, even if he's not actually a Gral.

The soldier that the horse attacks is Brokeface, whom Paran encounters in Dujek's camp.

Good job repeating what the OP wrote?

He was answering the previous poster's question, so how about less of the sarcasm?


I also love the Binadas storyline, the fact that you see his body, then two books later see his murder, and then in the next book you meet him as a living person.

My biggest realisation was about Theradas being the body in MoI. Didn't click at all when I read MT, but on a reread of MoI I just wondered if that was him.

[Salt-Man Z]

Lister of Smeg, on 20 August 2010 - 05:09 PM, said:

I also love the Binadas storyline, the fact that you see his body, then two books later see his murder, and then in the next book you meet him as a living person.

Ah, but the best part is, you don't actually learn that it was Binadas you saw killed until the book after that.

[Kanubis]

Abyss, on 20 August 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

To this day i still wonder which Jaghut ritual Sorno refers to in DG, that will release something awful when it unravels.

Nothing related to what that female Jaghut that Ganoes meets in BH is doing to keep skykeeps trapped underground or something?

[Abyss]

Kanubis, on 20 August 2010 - 11:45 PM, said:

Abyss, on 20 August 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

To this day i still wonder which Jaghut ritual Sorno refers to in DG, that will release something awful when it unravels.

Nothing related to what that female Jaghut that Ganoes meets in BH is doing to keep skykeeps trapped underground or something?

That seems like the obvious choice but when i re-read Sorno's comment is doesn't quite line up...

Could also be whatever caused the icebergs to move towards the prison fort island on Leth where Sinn melted them in RG.

[HiddenOne]

Abyss, on 20 August 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

To this day i still wonder which Jaghut ritual Sorno refers to in DG, that will release something awful when it unravels.

I thought this was the ritual that affected the dead in MT on Lether. The awful things being the Toblakai gods that were trapped in the Azath grounds. Weren't the dying of the Azath and the failing of the ritual linked, and the emergence of the Hold of Death all related? I guess Silchas Ruin could be considered for this as well.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Abyss, on 20 August 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

End of Disc One, on 20 August 2010 - 04:03 PM, said:

There was an offhand mention in an earlier book about how Rake would have to come face to face with vengeance.

Iirc that's FW's prophecy at a tile reading in MT, something like 'The son of the dark will meet his own vengeance'.

The various prophecies throughout the series are tricky, because it's hard to remember them specifically, but on the re-read you catch all kinds of refs. By the time we read that one in particular in MT we already know that Rake is the son of darkness (back to GotM) and that his old sword Vengeance has been taken up by Traveller/Dassem (HoC).


To this day i still wonder which Jaghut ritual Sorno refers to in DG, that will release something awful when it unravels.

Another thing FW's prophecy reveals is basically that Hood is a Jaghut : " Death sits on the Throne of Ice".

[ShadowRaven]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 21 August 2010 - 02:36 PM, said:

Another thing FW's prophecy reveals is basically that Hood is a Jaghut : " Death sits on the Throne of Ice".

Isn't that revealed even earlier? I might remember wrong, but when Hood appears in one of the previous books I believe it is described that tusks can be seen from under his hood. Or it could just be the fact that I always somehow thought of Hood as a Jaghut, maybe because of his physical size or something like that.


As a side note, I should probably continue with my re-read soon but I got stuck on DG due to work, etc. I seem to have missed most of the stuff mentioned here

[Bauchelain the Evil]

The "tusks jutting from the hood" description is in RG when Beak goes to Hood's Realm.

[ShadowRaven]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 21 August 2010 - 03:16 PM, said:

The "tusks jutting from the hood" description is in RG when Beak goes to Hood's Realm.

Thanks for clearing that up, it really started bugging me when I couldn't remember where it was

[Thelomen Toblerone]

It's intimated pretty strongly that Hood is a jaghut in MoI iirc, when Gethol first appears - I did a re-read recently and was struck how it hadn't occurred to me as blatantly obvious before.

[champ]

jst rereading HoC and come across this lil tidbit... which amused us... knowing SE never writes anything for nothing... Torvald Nom talking with Karsa

Quote

"...The gods not only look down on Darujhistan with a protective eye, they probably drink in its taverns"

instantly thought of Kruppe! who knows!

[Abyss]

Kanubis, on 19 August 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:

..., when I re-read the 'Ganoes kicks Poliel's arse' section in BH. Somehow on reads one and two, I managed to totally fail to notice that Brokenface guy was the one that Fid's horse mauls in DG. I hadn't even clicked that it was G'Danisban him, Crokus and Apsalar had traveled through. This is despite Soliel-possessed girl basically referring to the event in a clear, unambiguous way....

Here's another one: Soliel-possessed girl was the girl hiding under a wagon that Fid and co saved early in DG.

[worry]

champooon, on 21 August 2010 - 08:22 PM, said:

jst rereading HoC and come across this lil tidbit... which amused us... knowing SE never writes anything for nothing... Torvald Nom talking with Karsa

Quote

"...The gods not only look down on Darujhistan with a protective eye, they probably drink in its taverns"

instantly thought of Kruppe! who knows!

Well, there's Fisher, and some foreshadowing of Lady Envy (or Spite?) finding him. Kruppe's awesome and all, but he's mortal and I don't think anyone worships him.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

worrywort, on 21 August 2010 - 09:19 PM, said:

champooon, on 21 August 2010 - 08:22 PM, said:

jst rereading HoC and come across this lil tidbit... which amused us... knowing SE never writes anything for nothing... Torvald Nom talking with Karsa

Quote

"...The gods not only look down on Darujhistan with a protective eye, they probably drink in its taverns"

instantly thought of Kruppe! who knows!

Well, there's Fisher, and some foreshadowing of Lady Envy (or Spite?) finding him. Kruppe's awesome and all, but he's mortal and I don't think anyone worships him.

Actually this makes me think of Kallor at the end of TtH lol. With the return of Draconus maybe his curse is finally ended and he can finally ascend.

[amphibian]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 21 August 2010 - 10:08 PM, said:

Actually this makes me think of Kallor at the end of TtH lol. With the return of Draconus maybe his curse is finally ended and he can finally ascend.

Because the curses of Kallor have come to pass does not denote that the combined curse of Nightchill, Draconus and K'rul has lifted from Kallor. The three still exist, albeit much changed from the time the curse was given.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

amphibian, on 21 August 2010 - 10:47 PM, said:

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 21 August 2010 - 10:08 PM, said:

Actually this makes me think of Kallor at the end of TtH lol. With the return of Draconus maybe his curse is finally ended and he can finally ascend.

Because the curses of Kallor have come to pass does not denote that the combined curse of Nightchill, Draconus and K'rul has lifted from Kallor. The three still exist, albeit much changed from the time the curse was given.

Do they? I think that despite the fact that the 3 Elder Gods doubtless were more powerful than Kallor, I think the strength of all the curses are the same. And since all three have managed to be cursed, and are now defying those curses, it is possible that Kallor is no longer bound by their curses. I'm not saying its absolute knowledge, just a potential effect that I would not be surprised by.