[Kanubis]

Silk, on 19 August 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

If any other character with the exception of Dassem was ever to be labled lord of tragedy  ... it would be Toc the younger.....

Absolutely.

The worst thing is that even in the later scenes with him in DoD, I can never help thinking "bet he wished he'd shagged Envy when he had a chance." 

[Tattersail_]

Kanubis, on 19 August 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

Silk, on 19 August 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

If any other character with the exception of Dassem was ever to be labled lord of tragedy ... it would be Toc the younger.....

Absolutely.

The worst thing is that even in the later scenes with him in DoD, I can never help thinking "bet he wished he'd shagged Envy when he had a chance."

yeah definitely!! smash her everywhere until she sees him as her superior

[Abyss]

Kanubis, on 19 August 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

Silk, on 19 August 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

If any other character with the exception of Dassem was ever to be labled lord of tragedy ... it would be Toc the younger.....

Absolutely.

The worst thing is that even in the later scenes with him in DoD, I can never help thinking "bet he wished he'd shagged Envy when he had a chance."

Heh.
But it was implied in MoI that if he had gone there he would have effectively become her slave and neither of them wanted that.

I kind of doubt we'll see Envy and Spite in TCG, but in the sense that Dragons and their father Draconus are involved, it's not unthinkable. Both of them have been working actively against the CG (Envy in MoI assembling her 'team' and invading the Domin at K'rul's request; Spite assisting Mappo in TB) but the building situation is so messed up that it's anyone's guess how they would act.

Now that i think about it, that goes for pretty much every eleint and draconic soletaken left alive.

[Tattersail_]

Abyss, on 19 August 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Kanubis, on 19 August 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

Silk, on 19 August 2010 - 11:09 AM, said:

If any other character with the exception of Dassem was ever to be labled lord of tragedy ... it would be Toc the younger.....

Absolutely.

The worst thing is that even in the later scenes with him in DoD, I can never help thinking "bet he wished he'd shagged Envy when he had a chance."

Heh.
But it was implied in MoI that if he had gone there he would have effectively become her slave and neither of them wanted that.

I kind of doubt we'll see Envy and Spite in TCG, but in the sense that Dragons and their father Draconus are involved, it's not unthinkable. Both of them have been working actively against the CG (Envy in MoI assembling her 'team' and invading the Domin at K'rul's request; Spite assisting Mappo in TB) but the building situation is so messed up that it's anyone's guess how they would act.

Now that i think about it, that goes for pretty much every eleint and draconic soletaken left alive.

the three in shadow, do you know their names at all? do you think they will assist "tiam" in taking down the OD?

[Kanubis]

Abyss, on 19 August 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Heh.
But it was implied in MoI that if he had gone there he would have effectively become her slave and neither of them wanted that.

I kind of doubt we'll see Envy and Spite in TCG, but in the sense that Dragons and their father Draconus are involved, it's not unthinkable. Both of them have been working actively against the CG (Envy in MoI assembling her 'team' and invading the Domin at K'rul's request; Spite assisting Mappo in TB) but the building situation is so messed up that it's anyone's guess how they would act.

Now that i think about it, that goes for pretty much every eleint and draconic soletaken left alive.

Actually, if I attempt to post seriously instead of crassly for a moment, I got the impression that when Envy decided to let Toc come to her of his own free will rather than compelling him, it was more or less a first. It would have been interesting to see how that panned out.


Hmm, crass was easier, so I stand by my point that in DoD, he probably reflected that if you're going to be at the whim of an ancient powerful female, better a raven-haired sexpot than a flaking, scabby T'lan Imass...

[GingerBreadMan]

Sinisdar Toste, on 19 August 2010 - 05:37 AM, said:

well, if QB (or anybody) went around stretching himself whenever he wanted a power-up, someone (probably brood) would have to notice the sharp increase in his enemies destructive power and say, "pardon me cowl, could you take three of your veils and surgically remove that upstart bastard?" meanwhile, quicks been "stretching" himself constantly and is constantly exhausted and therefore taken unawares.

... in peacetime, when there's no enemies about, i imagine that's just what mages like to do.

But we have seen QB get in those situations a number of times without any terrible consequences, obviously it is safer to never draw attention to yourself but once you take the plunge and join an army shouldn't you actively "stretch yourself"?

Shouldn't we see squad mages like Deadsmell and Ebron constantly pushing one another in their downtime? Like a mage version of dueling

While we are talking about "Stretching" and Quick Ben..is it possible Shadowthrone is intentionally putting him into situations where he will have to stretch himself and thus come out more powerful?

He was responsible for Icarium, Menandore and her sisters and possibly the situation with his sister and the Deragoth...

Tattersail, on 19 August 2010 - 02:12 PM, said:

the three in shadow, do you know their names at all? do you think they will assist "tiam" in taking down the OD?

Kasle, Eloth and Ampelas

Ameplas is Emurlahn's "dragon"
Eloth is Meanas/Mockra/Thyr
Kalse is unknown

Kanubis, on 19 August 2010 - 02:55 PM, said:

Actually, if I attempt to post seriously instead of crassly for a moment, I got the impression that when Envy decided to let Toc come to her of his own free will rather than compelling him, it was more or less a first. It would have been interesting to see how that panned out.


Hmm, crass was easier, so I stand by my point that in DoD, he probably reflected that if you're going to be at the whim of an ancient powerful female, better a raven-haired sexpot than a flaking, scabby T'lan Imass...

I suspect it is a pretty obvious lesson, when one of the most beautiful women in the world offers to entertain you...you should probably accept the offer.

[flea]

After BH I could have sworn that Ardata (sp?) would have become involved (my memory is really foggy, but BH had all the spider stuff, and Pust's wife is related to Ardata).

The events of RotCG make this less likely to me, given her association with Skinner.

SE described DOD and tCG as one novel, but it almost feels like he needs a third book.

[dodgowan]

Nobody seems to have mentioned that Torrent and Toc are working together. I think that they will help take down Olar Ethil likely. I hope Toc and Tool become friends again. They were a good team.

[Abyss]

The Donkey Rules All, on 20 August 2010 - 06:23 PM, said:

Nobody seems to have mentioned that Torrent and Toc are working together.

Not quite.

Toc did argue with Olar Ethil to help Torrent, which she did, but at this point Torrent doesn't even know that Toc is unalive. (tho we could assume Wolfgirl will tell him so).

Plus Toc appears to be compelled to work FOR Olar, while Torrent remains a free agent who backhanded her (LOVED that scene).

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... I hope Toc and Tool become friends again. They were a good team.

...aside from the rather unfortunate Toc-shoots-arrows-into-dead-Tool-to-send-him-back-to-the-Ritual thing.

[End of Disc One]

What are the chances we'll see...

wait for it...

Kallor.

[T'renn]

Sinisdar Toste, on 19 August 2010 - 05:37 AM, said:

GingerBreadMan, on 19 August 2010 - 05:16 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 18 August 2010 - 02:52 PM, said:

is Tays more powerful than QB do you think?

For the majority of the series I would say "Yes".

But as the series goes on, Quick Ben appears to be "stretching himself" over and over to the point that he will rival all the Gods if he appears in The Crippled God.

He used to be a cunning and slipper squad mage, now he is a very powerful High Mage who walks around decimating thousands of enemies in the blink of an eye.

Makes you wonder why more mages don't "Stretch themselves" on purpose, shouldn't Quick have been "Stretched" to the breaking point after a couple years serving with the Bridgeburners in the middle of unending war?

well, if QB (or anybody) went around stretching himself whenever he wanted a power-up, someone (probably brood) would have to notice the sharp increase in his enemies destructive power and say, "pardon me cowl, could you take three of your veils and surgically remove that upstart bastard?" meanwhile, quicks been "stretching" himself constantly and is constantly exhausted and therefore taken unawares.

... in peacetime, when there's no enemies about, i imagine that's just what mages like to do.

Of course their decimating enemies in the thousands in one go. Releasing storms of fire(Tays), releasing dozens of Demons (Tays), Boiling air in lungs (QB) will do that. But I can imagine that Tay now has his interests first for a while now he's gone from the empire he protected. Or inversely he will be involved in saving it by saving the world. I think chaos will stretch him to. Ascension being a possibility.

About the SE Tays..... well, when did we see him in action ?

At Moons Spawn, which he drove off, under attack from the Son of Darkness
At Coral, breaking down walls packed with mages, where he was assaulted through warrens by the Sickness which is the Crippled God

Those are both epic God(like) beings. He is mortal (he says so himself in his conversation at the end of the Bonehunters) and therefore an insanely strong mage.

IhM Tayschrenn

This post has been edited by Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn: 21 August 2010 - 07:04 AM

[Roldom]

i think were gonna see a big clash between the segulah 2nd and skinner,

also traveler and hood, traveler killed rake, but he didnt get his revenge on hood, if anything, he made life easier for hood ( if traveler had kept draginpr intact and kept hood trapped inside pulling the wagan for eternity, wouldnt that be good enough revenge for him? but instead the sword got broken and hood got released) so theres still gotta be a big clash between hood and traveler

[dodgowan]

Abyss, on 20 August 2010 - 09:31 PM, said:

The Donkey Rules All, on 20 August 2010 - 06:23 PM, said:

Nobody seems to have mentioned that Torrent and Toc are working together.

Not quite.

Toc did argue with Olar Ethil to help Torrent, which she did, but at this point Torrent doesn't even know that Toc is unalive. (tho we could assume Wolfgirl will tell him so).

Plus Toc appears to be compelled to work FOR Olar, while Torrent remains a free agent who backhanded her (LOVED that scene).

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... I hope Toc and Tool become friends again. They were a good team.

...aside from the rather unfortunate Toc-shoots-arrows-into-dead-Tool-to-send-him-back-to-the-Ritual thing.

Actually Torrent is seeing Tool in his dreams and Olar Ethil tells him not to talk to Toc but Torrent says to himself "I will do as you ask". I think Toc told him to do something.

Toc was forced into hurting Tool and he tried to let him know that. Tool was just too hurt to see it.

[GingerBreadMan]

End of Disc One, on 20 August 2010 - 10:52 PM, said:

What are the chances we'll see...

wait for it...

Kallor.

Possible but I doubt it for one big reason..why would he get involved?

He seems closest to the Crippled God's side but he has said previously that the CG is going to get wiped out..

Kallor doesn't take on lost causes nor does he come to the rescue of others and he certainly doesn't care one whit about stopping the CG

[GingerBreadMan]

Roldom, on 21 August 2010 - 03:59 PM, said:

i think were gonna see a big clash between the segulah 2nd and skinner,

also traveler and hood, traveler killed rake, but he didnt get his revenge on hood, if anything, he made life easier for hood ( if traveler had kept draginpr intact and kept hood trapped inside pulling the wagan for eternity, wouldnt that be good enough revenge for him? but instead the sword got broken and hood got released) so theres still gotta be a big clash between hood and traveler

I agree about the first, still find the second confusing.

Skinner is currently with the CG so I believe he will be working with the Bonehunters against whomever is opposing the CG, possibly Paran's army.

Does Good releasing the Seguleh 2nd indicate he is on the "Team Takedown the Crippled God" or did he just release a loyal servant to go do his thing?

As to Hood vs Daseem, I still don't see how Daseem wins that one. Hood being King of Ice, leader of the Jaghut army...I imagine he is in the Gothos/Raest/Icarium sphere of magical power so he could just freeze Daseem solid and leave him there for eternity.

[champ]

The Otataral Dragon is sealing a gate, my question is though, a gate to what?

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"It's not here..." Peal whispered.
"What? It's right above-"
"No. Well, yes. But... look carefully. It's enclosed in a sphere. A pocket warren, a realm unto itself-"
"Or the entranceway," she suggested. "Sealing-"
"A gate. Queen of Dreams, i think you're right..."

and releashing the dragon, whats the consequence... where does it open up to... hmmm...

[champ]

me and my mate were having a drunken discussion on tCG and what would possibly be the biggest mind fuck we could imagine been delivered and what we came up with was...

what if the crippled god was father light!

what brought us to this wild/daft speculation?

from what i remember was a few things we got to in a roundabout way...

the crippled god was said to be at war in his own realm
he modled his warren on his own realm and it had white sky lol
father light only god not been mentioned yet in any true depth...

now i am sober i've come to the conclusion we were idiots...

but thought i would still share...

[T'renn]

With all the players already involved or having been hinted at involvement, Tayschrenn is, in my oppinion the biggest wild card or unknown

[ShadowRaven]

It's not that far fetched a thought actually champoon. It would certainly fit very well into the theme since the Liosan consider themselves a "pure" race, and it would be interesting if they found out the deity they revere above all else is thoroughly corrupted. Only problem is CG was called down during Kallor's empire, but didn't FL abandon the Liosan later than that?

And as a side note, now that the Unbound are heading for the Bonehunters, I'm pretty sure we will see Tool have a change of heart at some point and there will be an epic Imass vs. Imass battle, or possibly Hood and his Jaghut army arrive. It would also be interesting to see the Queen of Dreams, Leoman, and all of High House Life get involved more, but I've got a feeling that will fall to ICE.

And furthermore, was it ever revealed who was behind the birth of the House of War? I only remember that it was only hinted that a female god/ascendant/other was behind it. That creator will almost certainly appear in tCG.

EDIT: Oh and we could see Cutter and Spite at some point since Spite can use SD and based on the synopsis, etc. that have been released it will become physically accessible and could thus enable them to Warren travel to Kolanse for the main event.

This post has been edited by ShadowRaven: 12 September 2010 - 03:53 AM

[Sinisdar Toste]

ShadowRaven, on 12 September 2010 - 03:50 AM, said:

And furthermore, was it ever revealed who was behind the birth of the House of War? I only remember that it was only hinted that a female god/ascendant/other was behind it. That creator will almost certainly appear in tCG.

well that one had a lot of things going for it. i'll make a list:

1) Silverfox, using tellann, lays the groundwork for a world in the Mhybes dreamworld, ruled over by the rhivi spirits. it contains the ancient beast throne of the beast hold, which was the hold of the imass back when they were flesh.

2) kruppe brings the rhivi spirits to the Mhybes dreamworld when he gives her the copper ornaments

3) meanwhile, togg and fanderay, the ancient wolf gods who were lost to each other for hundreds of thousands of years reunite

4) but before this itkovian embraces the spirits of the t'lan imass and seeds the mhybes dreamworld with their memories, giving it life

5) then togg and fanderay reunited with all the t'lan ay come to claim the beast throne in the mhybes dreamworld and the expression of power is of such magnitude as to create an entirely new high house, that of the recently vacated aspect of war, brushing aside treach's claim like a giant would a child, but leaving him a place in the house, because he's such a good kitty, isn't he? such a good boy, yes he is (and the rhivi gods know enough to let the true rulers take the throne, too bad for silverfox)