[Johnny Phoenix]

When I first started reading I thought it was set back thousands of years since it gave no specific date but referred to the Holds. Then Iron Bars comes along and starts talking about Kellanved and I figure it must take place somewhere before the events of GotM, but definitely not as far back as I thought. Now I go on the BH forum and see that it is placed around the same time as DG and MoI in the pinned timeline thread.

[HoosierDaddy]

I'd say anywhere from 10 to 3 years before GotM. But, as always there are certain.... events that make it questionable. The time-line is jacked in a few instances, but outside of one particular "event" in Midnight Tides I'd put it from 10 to 3 before.

[D'rek]

FW saying the Beast Hold has found twin rulers during her Tiles casting would make it seem to be at the same time as MoI. But the vast majority of events make no sense as such (like the razing of Callows in MoI would somehow be before the Edur launched their fleets?), so if you consider FW's declaration a prophecy of future events it all works as being prior to GotM.

(But then that screws up stuff for RG and ow the brain pain)

[Findarato]

When Rhulad tells Udinaas towards the end of MT that he has flooded a warren (I believe he meant the Nascent) I concluded that was during the events of DG, before Stormy, Gesler etc found the Silanda there. And then I remembered that in the prologue of HOC this flooding had recently happened. Am I correct in these assumptions or did I miss something? I am just reading MT and trying to sort these things out, but I know the timeline does not aways fit in the books.

Regarding the Beast Hold rulers, I took it like FW tells it as something that has happened already. That contradicts the reference to happenings in DG (which are said to be parallel to GOTM) again, because MOI happens after that. I hope my rambling makes some sense, it is quite confusing.

[Harvester]

Spoiler

Binadas

is already dead in DG, because he gets killed by Karsa in the HoC prologue.
So I'd say MT happens somewhat before GOTM.

Not sure if this is a spoiler or not.

This post has been edited by Harvester: 28 June 2010 - 04:20 PM

[D'rek]

In chronological order:

Rhulad floods the Nascent (mid-MT).
Rhulad gets really pissed at Trull and chains him in the Nascent (HoC prologue).
The Silanda is captured and Binadas sails it into the Nascent.
Karsa is pulled into the Nascent by the CG, kills everyone onboard the Silanda (HoC book 1)
Gesler, Kulp, Heboric, Felisin, Baudin, Truth and Stormy find the Silanda in the Nascent and have an adventure (DG)


Key thing to note is that HoC book 1 happens before DG (I would argue during GotM, some would argue even earlier), hence why Karsa is already in Raraku in DG but not at the start of HoC.

[rhulad]

The time line is not important.

[D'rek]

rhulad, on 28 June 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:

The time line is not important.

Sure it is, and by MT there's nothing wrong with it so why do you spout this wretched propaganda?

[Lousy]

These books provide an even deeper game trying to figure out when everything happens in all the various locations, it reminds me of the mystery of the nature of magic when i frist began this series. Absolutely love it!!

[Furion]

As others said before, in HoC prologue, Karsa kills Rhulad's brother, who embarks sometime after Midnight Tides, and prior to Reaper's Gale. Naturally, some years pass during this time, but not too many. We can definitely conclude that Midnight Tides occurs totally prior to the entirety of House of Chains, chronologically. The question is, when does the prologue of HoC take place?

During my read of HoC I was under the impression that the prologue also occured a few years prior to DG, just going by some lines of dialog from Leoman of the Flails. As Iron Bars spoke of Kellanved but not Surly, its pretty safe to assume his information is rather old, and he is in no way knowledgeable of the change of administration. But since Iron Bars and his men have been wandering the globe for quite some time, it does not help us very much in placing the events chronologically.

I would simply guess, as someone above has stated, that the events of GoTM probably take place somewhat after, or concurrently to, MT.

edit: jeez, this thread really shows just how convoluted the MBotF timeline is.

This post has been edited by Furion: 25 July 2010 - 04:50 AM

[D'rek]

Furion, on 25 July 2010 - 04:45 AM, said:

edit: jeez, this thread really shows just how convoluted the MBotF timeline is.

Is not!

Spoiler

until TtH

The first book of HoC was originally intended to be around the same time as GotM, hence why the Ashok regiment traveling to 7C with Karsa speak about how the Siege of Pale just ended. Karsa kills the Edur on the Silanda shortly thereafter. There's more on that in tBH, actually.

The HoC prologue is obviously after MT as well, as Trull was not Shorn by the end of MT. How long between it and MT is open for debate. Furthermore, recall that in MoI Envy visited Callows which had recently been completely destroyed by Tiste Edur, so you have to figure that enough time has passed between the end of MT and a short time into MoI for some Edur ships to be sent from Lether and make it western Genebackis. Do note that the Edur didn't necessarily need to build a ton of ships, as they never fought the Letheri fleet which was sent to attack their homelands and presumably the Edur could take over those after the events in MT.

You'll get a lot more info to help piece together exactly where you think the timings should go in BH and RG.

[Salt-Man Z]

Um...isn't the identity of the dead Edur mage on the Silanda a spoiler for BH? Sure, we see him dead in DG, and see him killed in HoC, but we don't actually learn his identity until BH.