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What is a barrow? What is the difference between a barrow and a warren?

#1 User is offline   The Hound 

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:11 PM

I salute you: All fellow Malazanians! Can you all out there explain to me - in as much detail as possible - what a barrow is and what the difference between a warren and a barrow might be? Thank you for your time. May the gods ride with you into battle!


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:17 PM

A barrow has nothing to do with a warren. A barrow is a kind of tomb, usually sort of domed.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:19 PM

View PostLuke Lucas, on 22 June 2010 - 05:11 PM, said:

I salute you: All fellow Malazanians! Can you all out there explain to me - in as much detail as possible - what a barrow is and what the difference between a warren and a barrow might be? Thank you for your time. May the gods ride with you into battle!





Hail new arrival! A barrow is a big pile of dirt on top of something that may or may not be dead. A warren is a dimensional space that a mage or ascendent can draw power from. Some warrens are worlds. Some are not. Also, rabbit tunnels, but that's not really connected to anything. And feel free to post in less massive script. :D
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:25 PM

Now that i think about it, in MoI QB gets yanked into the Barghast gods warren by way of a barrow... but the point there is that the gods reached, from their warren, through the barrow, to grab QB. The link is likely whoever or whatever was buried under the barrow. Point being, barrows aren't necessarily anything special, but subject to just what went into onto or around them they could be, as much as anything else in the Malaz world.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:29 PM

View PostAbyss, on 22 June 2010 - 05:25 PM, said:

Now that i think about it, in MoI QB gets yanked into the Barghast gods warren by way of a barrow... but the point there is that the gods reached, from their warren, through the barrow, to grab QB. The link is likely whoever or whatever was buried under the barrow. Point being, barrows aren't necessarily anything special, but subject to just what went into onto or around them they could be, as much as anything else in the Malaz world.



Hello. Thanks for all the info you all. Infact that is the exact point at which I became confused, the point where Quick Ben got dragged under in MOI (this that you refer to). But it's clearer now. Thanks.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:33 PM

I can't remember now but the place that the Jaghut, Raeist is enslaved in GOTM - how do you understand that. He is enlsaved in what - an area of a warren, in kind of chains of magic and energy? When they are they are entering that place is it through a warren?
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:42 PM

View PostAbyss, on 22 June 2010 - 05:25 PM, said:

Now that i think about it, in MoI QB gets yanked into the Barghast gods warren by way of a barrow... but the point there is that the gods reached, from their warren, through the barrow, to grab QB. The link is likely whoever or whatever was buried under the barrow. Point being, barrows aren't necessarily anything special, but subject to just what went into onto or around them they could be, as much as anything else in the Malaz world.


Well, the Barghast gods are their ancestors, who died and were placed in... BARROWS! So it makes sense that their ancestors reach to Mallet/QB via a barrow-ish place and the inside of their warren would look like that, especially since them ancestors are warded by the alive shamans to stay in the barrow.

View PostLuke Lucas, on 22 June 2010 - 06:33 PM, said:

I can't remember now but the place that the Jaghut, Raeist is enslaved in GOTM - how do you understand that. He is enlsaved in what - an area of a warren, in kind of chains of magic and energy? When they are they are entering that place is it through a warren?


Tool tries to be all cryptic about it, but yes they enter there into a warren. Tool's talk of how it is of a different time and all that basically amounts to: the Jaghut who imprisoned Raest locked him up in a pocket warren of Omtose Phellack the jaghut warren of ice. That pocket warren was so frozen that it is even frozen in time, and hence the physical barrow that Raest was physically stuck inside continues to exist only in that pocket warren of Omtose Phellack. Not that Lorn and Tool went back in time or anything, they just could not have reached that pocket warren without magically teleporting there. It has no physical existance in the regular world so they could never have walked to it.

Or something like that.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:55 PM

Ok thats great. Another question? I always wondered how Raest was in that enslavement - like in what state. Is he dormant, in a space-travel-sleep type state. Not conscious. Or is he moving around in this spce that is protected. Or is he imovable and conscious, harboring this rage that is growing and growing, compounded by the fact that he is enslaved? He's unconscious and then he awakens and he's right back in there with all this rage... his enlsavement what's the nature of it, it doesn't in anyway curb or change his nature. He is switched off and then he is switched on again? Any ideas on this?
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 02:41 AM

i imagine it to be a sort of stasis, like the deep space thing, but at the time when he was imprisoned, he was probably filled with rage, so when he awoke, he was still filled with rage, but knew that some time, possibly eons, had passed.
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Posted 24 June 2010 - 12:32 AM

In some mythologies Barrows (which are a buried tomb) can be uesd as portals/doorways into other realms. I sugest that is what is happening here.

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