[Hetan]

H.D., on 05 July 2010 - 06:39 AM, said:

Hetan, on 01 July 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

The Shake were Andi in origin and their blood is now much diluted.

Edit : Actually - correction - the Shake were human and mixed with The Watch (Andi elite soldiers) who came through the road that Blind Gallan made for them at the request of Silchas Ruin. They then mingled with the Shake, to become the people that we see today. .
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So, does Twilight just have more "Royal" blood (is that just a history beaten transfer of Andii blood?) or could any of the Shake have opened Gallan's road if they "knew" what Twilight knew?

Twilight is of the royal Andian bloodline. The Shake could not have opened the road without her blood.

[D'rek]

Hellian, on 04 July 2010 - 10:07 AM, said:

I'll look up the quote but I remember someone saying that with the Matron's release of eggs into the sea it was a desperate chance to create something new - and I think given DoD's bit with Sulkit, its clear you only need a little bit to get in there to kickstart the KCCM changes

Twilight I think also has a point about how it affects everyone, whether just through drinking water or eating the catches from the sea nearby?

Yup, and those who have read Blood Follows know there's a very likely possible connection between that and the Jhorligg.

Spoiler

Jhorligg are described as big, amphibious, reptilian predators that attack boats by swimming up to them, climbing up the side and attacking. They're intelligent and can use weapons. Basically they sound like watery KCCM and so are quite possibly the end-result of that Matron spilling eggs into the ocean.

Yeah, the general idea is that the eggs being spilled into the ocean left KCCM bio-material that in perpetual exposure mutates the humans to have some KCCM attributes.


edit: and by Blood Follows I totally meant Lees of Laughter's End. For the curious I uploaded the quote to the wiki article on the Jhorligg.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 09 July 2010 - 02:44 AM

[Jurble]

And for the next random question:

What did Quick Ben used to look like? Shadowthrone didn't recognize him GotM, and Lostara Yil doesn't seem to have recognized him either (or maybe she did, been a long time since I read BH). It's implied that he changed his appearance- how? Is he perhaps, a human soletaken?

[Blend]

Hetan, on 01 July 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

The event that shattered Emurlahn in the first place took place before the betrayal. It's in the Bonehunters and we even know what Scabandari did.
Not sure where the confusion lies with this to be honest.
Yes the sundering continues to this day as there are so many pieces of Emurlahn around and everyone appears to want to claim it because a sundered warren is vulnerable.

I'm drawing a complete blank.... The only thing that I can think of for this is the Matron's deathcry. But I really haven't the foggiest what you're talking about Hetan, any chance you can clear it up?

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Blend, on 14 July 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Hetan, on 01 July 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

The event that shattered Emurlahn in the first place took place before the betrayal. It's in the Bonehunters and we even know what Scabandari did.
Not sure where the confusion lies with this to be honest.
Yes the sundering continues to this day as there are so many pieces of Emurlahn around and everyone appears to want to claim it because a sundered warren is vulnerable.

I'm drawing a complete blank.... The only thing that I can think of for this is the Matron's deathcry. But I really haven't the foggiest what you're talking about Hetan, any chance you can clear it up?

I think she means when we find out Scabandari killed the royal line of the Edur.

[Blend]

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 14 July 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

Blend, on 14 July 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Hetan, on 01 July 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

The event that shattered Emurlahn in the first place took place before the betrayal. It's in the Bonehunters and we even know what Scabandari did.
Not sure where the confusion lies with this to be honest.
Yes the sundering continues to this day as there are so many pieces of Emurlahn around and everyone appears to want to claim it because a sundered warren is vulnerable.

I'm drawing a complete blank.... The only thing that I can think of for this is the Matron's deathcry. But I really haven't the foggiest what you're talking about Hetan, any chance you can clear it up?

I think she means when we find out Scabandari killed the royal line of the Edur.

Ah, well, I didn't realize it was implicitly stated that this, above all, was the reason Emurhlan was shattered. I thought that was just Killy's POV, and we all know that POVs are fraught with personal bias. Is it definitely this that shattered the warren?

[Sinisdar Toste]

i believe it is confirmed during cotillions chat with the three imprisoned dragons in tBH

[HoosierDaddy]

Blend, on 15 July 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 14 July 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

Blend, on 14 July 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Hetan, on 01 July 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

The event that shattered Emurlahn in the first place took place before the betrayal. It's in the Bonehunters and we even know what Scabandari did.
Not sure where the confusion lies with this to be honest.
Yes the sundering continues to this day as there are so many pieces of Emurlahn around and everyone appears to want to claim it because a sundered warren is vulnerable.

I'm drawing a complete blank.... The only thing that I can think of for this is the Matron's deathcry. But I really haven't the foggiest what you're talking about Hetan, any chance you can clear it up?

I think she means when we find out Scabandari killed the royal line of the Edur.

Ah, well, I didn't realize it was implicitly stated that this, above all, was the reason Emurhlan was shattered. I thought that was just Killy's POV, and we all know that POVs are fraught with personal bias. Is it definitely this that shattered the warren?

I think it was the after-effects of having done so. With no ruler, Emurlahn became besieged by extremely powerful people that started taking chunks of it for their own, including the three dragons that had gone in to try to reclaim the throne.

[GingerBreadMan]

H.D., on 16 July 2010 - 03:36 AM, said:

Blend, on 15 July 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 14 July 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

Blend, on 14 July 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

Hetan, on 01 July 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

The event that shattered Emurlahn in the first place took place before the betrayal. It's in the Bonehunters and we even know what Scabandari did.
Not sure where the confusion lies with this to be honest.
Yes the sundering continues to this day as there are so many pieces of Emurlahn around and everyone appears to want to claim it because a sundered warren is vulnerable.

I'm drawing a complete blank.... The only thing that I can think of for this is the Matron's deathcry. But I really haven't the foggiest what you're talking about Hetan, any chance you can clear it up?

I think she means when we find out Scabandari killed the royal line of the Edur.

Ah, well, I didn't realize it was implicitly stated that this, above all, was the reason Emurhlan was shattered. I thought that was just Killy's POV, and we all know that POVs are fraught with personal bias. Is it definitely this that shattered the warren?

I think it was the after-effects of having done so. With no ruler, Emurlahn became besieged by extremely powerful people that started taking chunks of it for their own, including the three dragons that had gone in to try to reclaim the throne.

He killed the royals and then opened a massive gate which are wounds(right?) then promptly gets himself killed leaving no Edur of serious power to defend the Warren.

He started a feeding frenzy

[Baudinsballs]

Regarding an earlier question. From the Midnight tides prologue.

A group of Tiste Edur led by Scabrandi bloodeye and Andii led by ruin were coming to Wu. They were met by KCCM and a war ensued. Bloodeye betrayed the Andii in the hope that the Edur could conquer WU unfortunately he didn't realise that Rake and his Andii were already on Wu

[Atrate61]

Just about finished my second read of the book, and while I am picking up understanding on some things I missed the first time around, I am still scratching my head about one thing in particular.

The....well I'll call it the force of nature, the storm that shredded the Barghast and the other army....what spawned that? Was it Draconus? Tool? I just can't seem to derive the context of its source or its deeper meaning (if there is any).

I looked through the site to see if someone else had asked about this, and couldn't find anything. Apologies if it's been discussed before, and a pointer to the thread -- if there is one -- would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
-- Atrate61 (confused)

[Sinisdar Toste]

It is actually nah'ruk sky keeps. They pretty much just dragged their keeps through the ground, carving the deep furrows that are described. The storm that conceals them is most likely the breath of their warren, as banaschar puts it. There was some debate on the matter but that's my view and I believe it is correct

[Atrate61]

Sinisdar Toste, on 11 August 2010 - 04:10 PM, said:

It is actually nah'ruk sky keeps. They pretty much just dragged their keeps through the ground, carving the deep furrows that are described. The storm that conceals them is most likely the breath of their warren, as banaschar puts it. There was some debate on the matter but that's my view and I believe it is correct

<slapping self on back of head> Sky keeps. Bloody hell. That never even OCCURRED to me!!!

I thank you, Sinisdar Toste, for your quick reply and for putting an end to my head-scratching

-- Atrate61 (relieved)

[Sinisdar Toste]

Hey, no problem A-tra, glad to be of service

[Roldom]

On the jhorligg...i havent read any of the korbal broach books, loved the chars in MoI but just couldnt get my hand on a copy, but reading ur link on the Jhorligg reminded me of something i read in toll the hounds about lizard ducks

Toll the Hounds begining of chapter 7 with kruppes voice over about harlo collecting dung near lake Azure

"...enticing up from the soupy water eels that swallow theif eggs only to find the shells impervious to all forms of digestion, whilst the scaled monstrosities withen prepared to peck their way free and then feed on eel insides unto gluttony"

sounds alot like smaller versions of the Jhorligg dont ya think?

[Excellence]

If you're talking about things inside things, 2 thinsg spring to mind: the catfish of book 4 had creatures within it, and the dissecetd K'Chain in book 6 had something inside it.

[buddhacat]

Sinisdar Toste, on 11 August 2010 - 04:10 PM, said:

It is actually nah'ruk sky keeps. They pretty much just dragged their keeps through the ground, carving the deep furrows that are described. The storm that conceals them is most likely the breath of their warren, as banaschar puts it. There was some debate on the matter but that's my view and I believe it is correct

I think that's completely wrong - it was Draconus's arrival that created the extreme cold that froze the two armies to death. He even walks among them. The sky keeps are not even in this world yet, they are staged in the Imperial Warren and needed the massive gate to enter.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Draconus freezes the Akrynai (sp?) and the Barghast but the nah'ruk kill the lesser Barghast clan and are the ancient enemy they couldn't beat that Tool speaks to the other Barghast.

[buddhacat]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 23 August 2010 - 03:51 PM, said:

Draconus freezes the Akrynai (sp?) and the Barghast but the nah'ruk kill the lesser Barghast clan and are the ancient enemy they couldn't beat that Tool speaks to the other Barghast.

I can recollect no lesser Barghast. The major armies were killed by Draconus, the Sennan were killed by Tool and his Imass. Any page or other references would be good.

[Lister of Smeg]

Haven't got the book handy for page references, but there are the Snakehunters (?) near the beginning who are the first to be wiped out by the Nahruk. And then there was Sceptre Irkullis' daughter, whose army gets killed while engaging a Barghast force, somewhere in the 3rd part of the book I believe.