[Monoch Ochem]

I wonder if T'amber's some sort of supermage being kept quiet (like Tayschrenn did). The weapons-training thing seems the obvious choice but how come noone's ever heard/seen them training. The clash of weapons has got to make some noise and the efforts must be witnessed by someone....unless it's some higher form of training like shadow-dancing was for Lostara Yil and the Claw (or was that the Talons?).

Anyway, how do we know that Laseen's a mage? I mean I recall her speaking through a corpse and all but didn't the b_tch order the slaughter of mages? AND she promotes the use of ottataral.

[Cause]

I know she was teaching her weapons but i thought that was the basis for the relationship and in addition they were lesbian lovers.

Doubt srongly that they she is lasseen

[cauthon]

Lasseen's Napan, I doubt she could easily change the skin colour, and certainly if she employs sorcery to do so, Topper would notice.

[Monoch Ochem]

Thanks Dak.

@ Sukul: but it would be entirely more convincing if they outwardly appeared to have a lesbian relationship...which, as Blistig (I think) said, was no big deal anyway. Instead, there's this big questionmark hanging over T'amber? Everyone wants to know, who this woman is to Tavore, what influence she has over Tavore and ultimately why the secrecy. It smacks of sorcery....she didn't go to Tavore when she was about to fight Shaik. The ottataral? Perhaps they trained with a non-ottataral duplicate of Tavore's sword. Would you leave your apt pupil without even a cursory glance? Perhaps T'amber knew of the worldwind goddess' imminent failure. Maybe she was preparing some ritual in contingency or busy with some divination.

[graller]

And in HOC Felisin reflects on what might have been - getting taught the sword by Ganoes as Tavore did....it is never implied they are not capable with swords

[drinksinbars]

i thought perhaps she was a high level claw working as the adjuncts bodyguard trainer and link to the empress. tavore has some inside knowledge with her dreams etc on how things are going to turn out (possible side effect of otatoral) and although topper turns up with the news perhaps the empress doesnt have complete confidence in him after kalam getting to her. as well as this it seems likely the adjunct would have a claw at her disposal as lorn also had close contact with the claw.

[cauthon]

I think it would be a bit risky, on Lassen's account to get away from a safe place (if such exists).

[McLovin]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Lament:
I know, but what I'm saying is that if T'amber were laseen then she wouldn't need to send Topper to tell Tavor anything in the first place because Laseen could just tell Tavor herself(being in the same camp and having nightly meetings and all). The only reason this wouldn't happen is if Tavor didn't now T'amber were laseen either, which just wouldn't make sense..

---

To be just totally paranoid, the charade could have been for Topper's, not Tavore's, benefit. Maybe the Empress doesn't want the Claw to know that Tavore knows she's travelling with the Empress. Now, why that would be is beyond me (some game she's playing against her own Claw assassins)...still, this is a fascinating line of thought - I had never considered T'amber = Laseen and am sorry I missed out on the discussion the first time. We do know that Laseen can communicate from some distance, so it's possible she could be anywhere. Ooooh, now I gotta re-read the series...