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T'amber=Laseen?
#21 Guest_Imp_*
Posted 10 March 2004 - 12:57 AM
It don't make no sense.... (Sorry about the wrong 2 people being lovers)! It makes no sense to have this person who is talked to by one of the Fists (Gamet?) before the attack being another known character. Tavore is in Genabackis is she not or am I slipping into insanity....
#22 Guest_Ypogeios_*
Posted 15 July 2005 - 12:12 AM
I will post in this thread almost a year after the last post in order to answer a question Hetan asked during a spoiler exchange we had in the MoI forum 
Don’t know if this is appropriate but here goes…
@Hetan: The only hard facts we know about T’amber are the following:
The first appearance of her was in DG during the march of Felisin with Heboric.
She next appears in HoC where she comes on rarely in the foreground but the reverberations of her role in Tavore's life, in my opinion, can be felt through the way mr. Erikson dances around her with his words.
My impression of the relationship between the two is that it is a peculiar mixture of sexuality, friendship, comradeship and dependency… and that’s without counting the weapons training…
I believe that no other information about T'Amber is clearly displayed anywhere in the books...
I also believe that we are in for a surprise about T'Amber...
Don’t know if this is appropriate but here goes…
@Hetan: The only hard facts we know about T’amber are the following:
The first appearance of her was in DG during the march of Felisin with Heboric.
She next appears in HoC where she comes on rarely in the foreground but the reverberations of her role in Tavore's life, in my opinion, can be felt through the way mr. Erikson dances around her with his words.
My impression of the relationship between the two is that it is a peculiar mixture of sexuality, friendship, comradeship and dependency… and that’s without counting the weapons training…
I believe that no other information about T'Amber is clearly displayed anywhere in the books...
I also believe that we are in for a surprise about T'Amber...
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Posted 07 March 2004 - 01:41 PM
wouldn't have thought so as T'amber gives Tavore sword fighting lessons and we haven't heard nything about Lassen be a sword fighter, a very good assassin with knives. But you never know.
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Posted 09 March 2004 - 09:34 AM
not that im trying to be difficult, but that does not necesarily mean that t'amber is not lasseen. lasseen would not want anyone to know she was with the army if she was, and topper could have come by warren form t'ambers tent for all we know, the empress is a lover of intrigue as we know. but i dont think t'amber is lasseen, as that just seeems far fetched to me
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 10:16 AM
No, I think that that was just the misconception floating around since they were spending so much time together and Tavore made it sound somewhat like that.. I think that it was likely just a secretive way of getting her sword-fighting skills better before meeting Shaik in battle... it would be better for a commander to be seen as a lesbian than to be seen as incompitent. ... just my reasoning... :s
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Posted 07 March 2004 - 12:08 PM
I read somewhere in this forum that T'amber was possibly Laseen. I don't think that this is true as Laseen is a Napan, and would be easily recognized with her blue skin. I know that she is a mage and she did use the corspe to talk to Kalam in DG, but it was a dark room.So, I don't think that she could pull it off. Any ideas?
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 01:52 PM
@Imp
T'amber was thought to be tavoreslover not lasseen
and i agree i dont think the two of them were actually lovers, t'amber was just training tavore in swordfighting and maybe other aspects of the military. She was said to be from the emple of the queen of dreams, so whether that means anything i dont know...
Tavore did not bother to correct the misconception taht the two were lovers, as if she siad this it would likley not be believed and bring this to teh surface. this may have caused problems for tavore so she did not speak of it.
T'amber was thought to be tavoreslover not lasseen
and i agree i dont think the two of them were actually lovers, t'amber was just training tavore in swordfighting and maybe other aspects of the military. She was said to be from the emple of the queen of dreams, so whether that means anything i dont know...
Tavore did not bother to correct the misconception taht the two were lovers, as if she siad this it would likley not be believed and bring this to teh surface. this may have caused problems for tavore so she did not speak of it.
#28 Guest_Lament_*
Posted 08 March 2004 - 02:54 PM
there is in fact direct proof that she can't be laseen because when Topper appears in Tavore's tent to give the news about what happened on Genabakis, he says that he's just arrived from the empress. So, if the empress was in fact already in the camp, why would Topper have to come by warren to Tavore's tent, or even come at all? If the empress was in the camp, she could just tell Tavore herself during one of their meetings..
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Posted 09 March 2004 - 11:55 AM
Erikson makes identities and such complicated enough, I don't really see the point in this one (if it's true) much better to have Tavore out on her own.
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 01:58 PM
i assumed it was sword-training or something too, lovers would be too obvious for erikson
its a nice bit of intrigue to take forward to book 6 - "The Bonehunters" though
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#31 Guest_Ypogeios_*
Posted 15 July 2005 - 03:05 AM
Yes you are correct. The description does not match any of the descriptions given for Laseen in Nok or GotM or anywhere else...
T’amber could be literally anyone in disguise or an entirely new character…
The T’amber=Laseen scenario has a certain logic embedded in it but it is too obvious and I don’t like it…
Could she be that girl from NoK? she wanted to participate in the Claw initially didn’t she?(Although I have to admit that it would be a miraculous transformation of character if it is her)
The problem is that I can’t think of a girl in the books that matches the description and can be placed in T’amber's sandals where and when she appears …
In fact with the data we have up to now she could be Paran’s long lost twin sister no one knew about and we won’t have a clue…
T’amber could be literally anyone in disguise or an entirely new character…
The T’amber=Laseen scenario has a certain logic embedded in it but it is too obvious and I don’t like it…
Could she be that girl from NoK? she wanted to participate in the Claw initially didn’t she?(Although I have to admit that it would be a miraculous transformation of character if it is her
)The problem is that I can’t think of a girl in the books that matches the description and can be placed in T’amber's sandals where and when she appears …
In fact with the data we have up to now she could be Paran’s long lost twin sister no one knew about and we won’t have a clue…
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:14 AM
Whilst I too believe T'amber is going to be a surprise package, her description does not match that of Laseen as given in NoK. And that's not a spoiler!
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Posted 09 March 2004 - 09:41 AM
Altho i doubt i was the only one to come up with this theory, i have thrown it out there more than once, sooooo (and keeping in mind i'm operating on the purest of speculation here)...
- Disguise: easy enough with magic or makeup. If T'amber were Laseen, hiding her napan skin or features is hardly a major challenge. She was a Claw (THE claw, actually) after all;
- Deflection: keep everyone so focused on the lesbian-lover thing that no one realizes T'amber is actually running the show;
- Illusion: As we saw at the end of DG, Laseen doesn't have to be physically present to be in the room chatting with someone. Topper could easily exaggerate. He may not have known Laseen was there in the first place. She may not have wanted him to know.
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- Disguise: easy enough with magic or makeup. If T'amber were Laseen, hiding her napan skin or features is hardly a major challenge. She was a Claw (THE claw, actually) after all;
- Deflection: keep everyone so focused on the lesbian-lover thing that no one realizes T'amber is actually running the show;
- Illusion: As we saw at the end of DG, Laseen doesn't have to be physically present to be in the room chatting with someone. Topper could easily exaggerate. He may not have known Laseen was there in the first place. She may not have wanted him to know.
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#34 Guest_Lament_*
Posted 09 March 2004 - 02:36 PM
I know, but what I'm saying is that if T'amber were laseen then she wouldn't need to send Topper to tell Tavor anything in the first place because Laseen could just tell Tavor herself(being in the same camp and having nightly meetings and all). The only reason this wouldn't happen is if Tavor didn't now T'amber were laseen either, which just wouldn't make sense..
#35 Guest_Imp_*
Posted 08 March 2004 - 09:52 AM
T'amber is Laseen's lover is she not? Perverts..... 
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Posted 22 August 2005 - 06:24 PM
I second the notion that we will definitely see more of T'amber. Erikson does not thrown in a character like that without something major planned. But for the life of me I can't figure out what it is.
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Posted 22 August 2005 - 10:29 PM
I remeber a discussion somewhere about 3 attractive women, including t'amber being described simmilarly and someone commenting that this was either an indication of something deeper (ie they were of a simmilar race/background) or that was what SE considered attractive.
but for the life of me i can't think who the other two women were now....
but for the life of me i can't think who the other two women were now....
