[Mockra]

I think Liosan is right... you are always going to have people randomly voting, some of whom are Chinese and some of whom are not. By deliberately not voting, all you're doing is announcing that you are (probably) not Chinese. It still helps their VC.

[Kaschan]

We can remember though that thats an end game count (I think?) so if we lynch a couple of Chinese players their chances of getting these points are considerably lower.

[Mockra]

Yes, I agree with that Kaschan. I'm sure the earlier we lynch their players, the more it will harm their ability to mass votes. That would indicate that by everyone always voting, we can offset any early gains they may have in vote counts over time. Best to always vote IMO.

[Liosan]

The thing is, by not voting, you force the Chinese to either out themselves as a team, or not do throwaway votes at the end of day. It's why I'm open to the strategic discussion. Tactically, it makes sense for today.

[Tellan]

I'm here and back, just in time for there to be no lynch

Guess I will just leave my vote where it is.

 Mockra, on 19 May 2010 - 06:53 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 19 May 2010 - 06:50 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 11 May 2010 - 07:59 PM, said:

7 points: Having cast the most votes of all teams (EU, US, Syndicate, Japanese, Russians). Votes are counted at the end of the day only.

All right, so now color me confused.

Given Mockra's initial assumption that the Chinese have more members than everyone else, if everyone playing laid down a vote, wouldn't that give the Chinese their victory condition?

Obviously, not everyone is going to put down a vote, but those who do, saying they're counteracting the Chinese, could just as easily be Chinese trying to get their vote in. Ideally, in the case of no lynch, it is better for no one to vote if you want to thwart the Chinese.

And @Driss: This is, like, the second post where I've mentioned the Chinese, so I'm not sure what you're on about.

Well it's a per-team basis, so yes, I believe the Chinese will always have the advantage here if everyone is trying to vote... but they are always going to try and vote anyway. 7 points is nothing to scoff at (and don't forget their 2 pointer is to lynch every other faction at least once). So really, the 'best' way to counteract them is to also vote and hope their team gets whittled down in size a bit. Not voting at all is just going to give them the upper hand.

My later point was that, because everyone is trying to vote, it's almost impossible to find the Chinese. The most you can do is look at the non-voters and say, "Probably less likely to be Chinese."

This was exactly my logic when I suggested it. If the chinese do have greater numbers, the victory condition would be very easy for them to attain. If the other factions at least have some votes down from early in the game, they have a better chance of overtaking the chinese once the chinese have lost a member or two. Unfortunately it does make it harder for the chinese to hide, but I think it is a worthwhile price to pay.

[Mockra]

I think all VCs are 'relatively' easy to obtain for a faction otherwise you'd have some imbalance. The key for any faction to win is to stay alive as long as possible to get actions/votes in. Any faction that loses multiple early is going to probably struggle.

[Mockra]

And that should be the official lynch timer there. Time to see what happens at night and how long it takes to resolve

[Olar Ethil]

I agree that, voting early is the way to go. The only benefit to not voting is that it might out the Chinese, which is fine, but this isn't an us vs China game. It's us. vs. scum vs. other factions. I'd rather try to hamstring the Chinese VC's , and look for scum at the same time. Hence the vote.

[Galayn Lord]

Hmm I agree with you Olar, but why not try and do both.

Vote Liosan

[Tellan]

 Olar Ethil, on 19 May 2010 - 07:02 PM, said:

I agree that, voting early is the way to go. The only benefit to not voting is that it might out the Chinese, which is fine, but this isn't an us vs China game. It's us. vs. scum vs. other factions. I'd rather try to hamstring the Chinese VC's , and look for scum at the same time. Hence the vote.

Yeah, that's pretty much my logic too. Although it's not hamstringing, it's probably more along the lines of the Chinese only being two or three votes ahead of the closest late game as opposed to being five or six votes ahead. Hopefully close enough for another faction to overtake the Chinese if they lose enough players.

[Gamelon]

So I'm finally here. Sorry guys, but between my schedule and the board going down, I haven't had a chance to log in until now.

Looks like I have a lot of reading to do.

[Mockra]

 Galayn Lord, on 19 May 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

Hmm I agree with you Olar, but why not try and do both.

Vote Liosan

lol, you're 7 minutes late, buddy

[Liosan]

 Galayn Lord, on 19 May 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

Hmm I agree with you Olar, but why not try and do both.

Vote Liosan

Don't hate me because I'm sexy.

[Mockra]

Gamelon arrives at last!

[Path-Shaper]

It is the end of day 1.

No-one is lynched.

excerpt from The New York Times, 20th of may.

Dr. Whitaker, our paramilitary expert and regular analyst, has examined the response by the authorities and the set-up of the terrorist strike, and it is his opinion that thre group that was tasked with the attempted bombing was rather sluggish in their execution of their terrorist attack on Tokyo Tower.
According to dr. Whitaker, this is not surprising, since they consisted mostly of second generation Southern Korean immigrants with Northern sympathies, which meant no plans, little equipment, and no manpower.
No-one has been able to offer a proper explanation for this attack, which took everyone by surprise. Local authories panicked, which is not unusual for a Japanese government: when faced by unexpected setbacks, they tend to panic and apply plans that are not suited for the situation.

By the time strike teams from the Japanese Self Defense Force stormed the aquarium on the first floor, all terrorists were killed. examination of the corpses, bullets and exit wounds, suggests that various calibers and implements were used to subdue the terrorists, including knives.

The bomb, a simple explosive that is currently being taken apart by bomb squads, was probably not strong enough to blow the tower up in the first place. of the vigilantes who took out the terrorists, no traces are found, and witnesses are extremely unreliable.

[Galayn Lord]

 Mockra, on 19 May 2010 - 07:09 PM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on 19 May 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

Hmm I agree with you Olar, but why not try and do both.

Vote Liosan

lol, you're 7 minutes late, buddy

Oh damn, didn't see time. It doesn't matter though, its not like its a game changing vote.
@ Liosan who said I hated you?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. The clock has been frozen with 00 Hours and 00 Minutes remaining.

23 Players still alive: D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Spite, Tellan

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Galain ( Emurlahn, Kaschan, Silanah )
1 Vote for Gamelon ( Liosan )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Omtose )
1 Vote for Meanas ( Spite )
2 Votes for Ruse ( Tellan, D'riss )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Olar Ethil )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Olar Ethil ( Serc )
1 Vote for Spite ( Mockra )

Players not voted: Eloth, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Meanas, Rashan, Ruse, Shadow, Sheltatha Lore

[Tellan]

 Gamelon, on 19 May 2010 - 07:08 PM, said:

So I'm finally here. Sorry guys, but between my schedule and the board going down, I haven't had a chance to log in until now.

Looks like I have a lot of reading to do.

You can skip a large chunk in the middle to be honest, if there's queen lyrics happening I dont think anything else important happened on that page.

[Gamelon]

Well that's some bad timing. Someone want to give me a quick recap of the day before I read it in full?

[Liosan]

Twas a joke, Galayn Lord. Evidently a poorly laid tongue-in-cheek one.