[Omtose]

Ok belly fully sated.

My action today was on my lover and is pretty easy to see in the scene. I can now confirm what that person has been telling me for the last three days. I wasn't going to beleive what that person said to me until I could confirm they were NOT scum. I will not be used(again, few games back) by scum.

There are no other things that I can do for my team to earn points,so I am expendable and can stick my neck out and reveal one of the things we have found out.

No, Driss is the only syndicate we have found, and I don't see the need to out other team info at this time.

My eyelids are drooping, Bed time.

[Spite]

Korvalain, on 20 May 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

PS

Omtose is chinese and kaschan is european.

Have fun.

Did we at some point show that Omtose isn't chinese, Because if he still is how can he no longer earn points for his team?

[Mockra]

Spite, on 26 May 2010 - 10:42 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 20 May 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

PS

Omtose is chinese and kaschan is european.

Have fun.

Did we at some point show that Omtose isn't chinese, Because if he still is how can he no longer earn points for his team?

I don't think so. All indication is that Omtose may be Chinese, but if D'riss is telling the truth, Omtose is Chinese scum.

[Mockra]

Omtose, on 26 May 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

Ok belly fully sated.

My action today was on my lover and is pretty easy to see in the scene. I can now confirm what that person has been telling me for the last three days. I wasn't going to beleive what that person said to me until I could confirm they were NOT scum. I will not be used(again, few games back) by scum.

There are no other things that I can do for my team to earn points,so I am expendable and can stick my neck out and reveal one of the things we have found out.

No, Driss is the only syndicate we have found, and I don't see the need to out other team info at this time.

My eyelids are drooping, Bed time.

Here are the VCs for the Chinese along with Omtose's claim that he can't earn any more.

15 points: One spy of your team must survive the game.

Willing to die for the reveal, so someone else is probably around on his team. I agree, Chinese are going to be a good sized faction. You don't want to lose the 15-pt VC.

10 points: Having the highest level of all factions (EU, US, Syndicate, Japanese, Russians) at the end of the game, including dead players.

Since this counts the dead, all Chinese can no longer contribute, so this makes sense.

7 points: Having cast the most votes of all teams (EU, US, Syndicate, Japanese, Russians). Votes are counted at the end of the day only.

That's a big problem if the tally is close. We haven't had info on this in days. Chinese may not be in the lead anymore, or if it's close, dying now could lose you 7 points.

5 points: All Chinese must have been granted a temporary or permanent ability by another Chinese player.

So he says he's gained a power from another Chinese. Fair enough.

3 points: All Chinese players must be able to send PMs to at least 1 other Chinese Spy during the day phase at the end of the game.

So he can talk to at least one other Chinese. Fair enough.

2 points: Every time a player is lynched who is not Chinese and is of a faction previously not lynched (Americans, EU, Japanese, Russians, Syndicate), you gain 2 points, with a maximum of 10.

Considering we've had 2 of these confirmed lynched (American, Syndicate) and a third possible (EU, if HP was not a member of the Syndicate), that's a big risk to go down a member when you need to lynch 2-3 more factions.

I just don't know... Omtose is clearly trying to save Ruse. Are they both Syndicate or both Chinese? I'm feeling "Syndicate" here, especially since Omtose made a kerfluffle about Ruse not being Chinese the other day when D'riss made the claim.

[Ruse]

All right, I am back and apparently still alive. Gonna read up and try to figure out what's going on.

[Ruse]

Oh my, that was an interesting read.

I see that the main point of contention with facts that I've presented is me only being able to make out myself in one scene at the time of my last post. That was certainly not a panicked claim. It was the truth. Really, I'm not sure what else I can say about it.

The first action I took was today. That may sound strange to people with a crap-ton of actions to perform, but, well, I don't. I'm not saying I'm roleless my any means, but surely it can't be that hard to understand that with 22 or so people in the game, with a lot of diversity between the roles, some people are going to draw roles with more passive abilities.

I was only targeted by a single ability that I was able to make out. D'riss says that I'm in this scene, too:

Quote

He walked through the city, trying to memorize his way through all the glass and concrete, and wondering how to go about his tasks. He rubbed his neck. The first thing to do, was find a cheap hotel, get some rest, it would be a long night. Then, he had to find the unassuming woman, who would be hiding amongst the criminal elements of the city. A daunting task.

The other would be a lot easier to find, probably a hotel lobby where he'd be sipping whisky, unless something worthy of his time happened. There weren't many of those up to his standards, so the search would take an hour or so.

He could be right. That would make two scenes if he were. All three of the people mentioned in the scene are not described well at all. He says I'm the female in the scene. I can't comment on my gender, but I will say that tying an unassuming woman hiding in the criminal elements of a city (Hello? We're all spies) to the chain-smoking kidnapper seems like a large logical leap to me.

So, look, I know being in one scene sounds stupid, so do you really think I would say it if it weren't true. I'm gonna go do some math and try to show you guys it's statistically probable that someone has been in only two scenes (assuming D'riss is right, of course).

And I guess I should comment on Omtose's reveal. I was assuming D'riss was innocent and was just mistaken about something and blew it out of proportion. If he says the information he has is solely from that day 1 scene, then up to the point where Omtose revealed, I thought my assumption was correct. I mean, mistaken innocents accused other innocents of being scum last game, and this game is probably even more complex and prone to confusion. That said, Omtose's reveal could be real. Like somebody else said, it seems a little early for scum to fake reveal, no matter who the scum is, D'riss or Omtose. Mockra's theory is that Omtose is trying to save me. From my perspective that doesn't make sense for obvious reasons, but from, say, Mockra's perspective, it doesn't seem to make much sense, either. I mean, say D'riss is innocent and Omtose is scum. Why would Omtose jump out of the woodwork and try to get D'riss lynched? When D'riss comes up innocent, that will only confirm him as scum (when he was relatively off the radar before), and you would be more suspicious of me, too. I just can't wrap my head around the logic of it.

Okay, that's about it. Sorry for the essay and the delay. I am a slow typer...

[Liosan]

Anybody else around?

[Spite]

Yeah

[Liosan]

Spite, on 27 May 2010 - 01:46 AM, said:

Yeah

Any way you are leaning in this confusion? Ruse, D'riss, Omtose?

[Spite]

I am leaning more towards voting d'riss, we can get the info about him he has told us as much, if he is scum good, if not we have a clear target to go after next.

edit-You?

This post has been edited by Spite: 27 May 2010 - 01:53 AM

[Ruse]

So, I still don't know what's going on with the extra alt, so I'm going to say there were 23 "people" to start. There were 10 phases of the game up to my post about being in only one scene (corrected to 2 now for the purposes of this argument). 18 people are still alive, the other people died off in phases 3, 4, 5, 8, and 9. That gives us the time of approximately 21 collective people playing the game from the beginning until the start of day 6 [(18*10+3+4+5+8+9)/10=20.9]. Looking at the scenes, without attempting to correlate appearances, a total of 130-something instances of people. I tried to only count those who were recognizable. Anyway, so that's an average of about 6.5 scenes per person. Obviously I can't look through and count out with any certainty how many times some of the high-frequency players have shown up because of how P-S set up the descriptions this time, but if you can imagine a single person showing up in 10 or 11 scenes through the course of the game, then you should be able to imagine someone being in only 2. If you can't, then I don't know what else to say. I haven't had a lot of time to play this game. I didn't pore over every single scene looking for one-word indicators to tie the people depicted to my character. Plus there were actually a number of scenes where no descriptors were give for people.

[Silanah]

I would like to point out that while I've noticed myself in most scenes I sure as hell haven't managed to spot myself in all of them. So I see where Ruse is coming from.

EDIT - give me a bit to formulate a more cogent response

This post has been edited by Silanah: 27 May 2010 - 01:59 AM

[Liosan]

I've been running it around in my head. Only one has outright called another scum, and that's Omtose. I don't think a scum member would out themselves to try to save another member in the way Omtose is doing with Rise.

While Ruse story seems a bit ridiculous, we have only D'riss word on who he actually is in scenes, so he could be telling the truth.

I'm leaning towards D'riss as well. Having your Role PM outed by your lover, in a game that has a specifically designed Role PM for fake revealing, isn't a great secondary defense.

Edit: x-post....@Spite.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 27 May 2010 - 02:01 AM

[Ruse]

I'm not sure if there's anything else I can say that would be of any use in figuring out who to lynch, but I'll be around if there are any questions.

[Liosan]

My internet is fairly fail at the moment, so if you get a ridiculous cross-post with me, you'll know why.

[Liosan]

Ruse, you very well could be telling the truth. Maybe you have all passive abilities. The thing is though, that also means that you have been subject to only one action the entire game. It's possible definitely, but do you see why that is considered somewhat odd?

[Fener]

i'm back.

fun times we are having.
gotta shower /eat, then i'll see what I can contribute to the mess.

[Silanah]

D'riss' case is solely based around the assumption that 'unassuming woman hiding amongst criminal elements' = smoking lady commanding the 'local muscle'. In my mind that's hardly a given at this point, given the smoking lady acted mostly during the day that I can see and we didn't see the smoking lady on day 1, just the unassuming woman. The smoking ended up getting shot at the end of day 3 (coincidentally when Shadow got lynched), and we haven't seen her since. Add that to the fact that I Barghast was Chinese and so was Shadow, I am more convinced that Shadow was the smoking lady and not Ruse since, you know, she got shot in the stomach by a rifle when Shadow got lynched. Also, if we are to imagine Korv was the man rubbing his neck, and he outed Kaschan and Omtose after finding them on day 2, D'riss' case falls apart.

Scenes that I can see with smoking lady:
Day 2

Quote

She lit one cigarette with the stump of another, and had been doing that since breakfast. The local muscle had been bent carefully to her needs, and was now hers to command. It is good to have friends in high places... and dangerous. A nod sent one of them on his way. Expendable cannon fodder, and while the one he was to chase was not much to look at, neither was she, and look at how that played out. She blew three smoke circles. Fuck, another pack emptied.

Day 3

Quote

"Don't just stand there!" she spat at the lackey. "Gather the men. We have to pay someone a visit." He ran. "But first," she said, "I need a cigarette."

A new alt joins the game: Barghast.

Quote

The bald man i the coarse clothes waited for her at the cigarette machine. "Number D3," he said. She scowled. "What he fuck, are you clairvoyant or something?"
"Merely observing that you dismissed all lightly colored packages at once, and looked for a red one."
"Fucking hell, you a detective or something?"
"Observation is not tied to police work, but to inner rest."
"Yeah, sorry. Look, let me get those ciggies and we'll talk, I feel antsy without them."

Quote

She sat there, smoking, and waiting for the syndicate to appear with their hostage. She and her men had prepared a nice little ambush. Use thieves to catch thieves, a western proverb said. Assfuckers got something right, sometimes. She spun the barrel of her revolver, and when the SUV stopped, she ran out of cover, shooting. Her back-up never appeared, and while she downed four syndicate hirelings, she got shot in the stomach by a burst of rifle fire.


Shadow is dead, she was Ba Leng, a Chinese spy.

EDIT - added smoking lady getting shot clause

This post has been edited by Silanah: 27 May 2010 - 02:20 AM

[Silanah]

So D'riss is in effect saying Ruse has no NAs (at least that I can see)...hmm...

[Ruse]

Liosan, on 27 May 2010 - 02:08 AM, said:

Ruse, you very well could be telling the truth. Maybe you have all passive abilities. The thing is though, that also means that you have been subject to only one action the entire game. It's possible definitely, but do you see why that is considered somewhat odd?

Of course I do. And I very well could have been in more and not recognized myself. I mean, going through all the scenes counting up people, I could tell you that I think I found another scene I am in, but at this point, such a statement would just be seen as backtracking, so there's really not much use in saying it.

It would make more sense why I didn't read any of the scenes specifically looking for myself if I could say what some of my passive abilities are. Let's just say that it's actually been quite frustrating not only because of the predicament I'm in now that I have not been the target of more actions.