[Sheltatha Lore]

Well, I'm back on the thread, but I haven't been left much time to post so I'm just checking in really. I should be back in several hours or so and should be able to make some comments in depth then.

In the meantime - killing a syndicate is a goooood thing. Makes me curious about Kaschan's story though, since HP didn't CF as syndicate. Is it a lynch vs. kill thing maybe or I suppose it's possible HP wasn't scum and something else is going on with Kaschan. Thanks for outing Rashan at least, regardless of method.

I'll look into Ruse tomorrow, but the first thing that strikes me about his recent post is the line

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I've only recognized myself in a single scene the entire game and I wasn't smoking

Is this a "I've barely done anything during the game so I"m harmless" defense?

Galayn Lord is another possibility since he appears to avoid the first Rashan lynch attempt. And Mockra/Gamelon did some funky vote switching as well.

Back in a few hours...

[D'riss]

You are forgetting the woman infiltrating the criminal underworld on day 1, Mockra.

[Mockra]

D, on 26 May 2010 - 04:21 PM, said:

You are forgetting the woman infiltrating the criminal underworld on day 1, Mockra.

No, I'm not forgetting her, D'riss. She isn't mentioned as smoking in that scene. You said the "smoking woman from day 1."

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He walked through the city, trying to memorize his way through all the glass and concrete, and wondering how to go about his tasks. He rubbed his neck. The first thing to do, was find a cheap hotel, get some rest, it would be a long night. Then, he had to find the unassuming woman, who would be hiding amongst the criminal elements of the city. A daunting task.

The other would be a lot easier to find, probably a hotel lobby where he'd be sipping whisky, unless something worthy of his time happened. There weren't many of those up to his standards, so the search would take an hour or so.

[Mockra]

Sheltatha Lore, on 26 May 2010 - 04:20 PM, said:

Well, I'm back on the thread, but I haven't been left much time to post so I'm just checking in really. I should be back in several hours or so and should be able to make some comments in depth then.

In the meantime - killing a syndicate is a goooood thing. Makes me curious about Kaschan's story though, since HP didn't CF as syndicate. Is it a lynch vs. kill thing maybe or I suppose it's possible HP wasn't scum and something else is going on with Kaschan. Thanks for outing Rashan at least, regardless of method.

I'll look into Ruse tomorrow, but the first thing that strikes me about his recent post is the line

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I've only recognized myself in a single scene the entire game and I wasn't smoking

Is this a "I've barely done anything during the game so I"m harmless" defense?

Galayn Lord is another possibility since he appears to avoid the first Rashan lynch attempt. And Mockra/Gamelon did some funky vote switching as well.

Back in a few hours...

We didn't have enough for a lynch, we were one short (with no clear evidence of a vote rigger). And I was early on-board for the lynch. The only reason I removed was to ensure he had a chance to speak first. I had enough time to revote him and what he said made me second guess to let him live the day. Clearly it was a mistake

[Kaschan]

Dead thread is dead.

[Mockra]

Kaschan, on 26 May 2010 - 04:48 PM, said:

Dead thread is dead.

No kidding.

So you never really clarified for me about the HP business. Clearly you were correct about Rashan, but I don't see how you can tie HP to Rashan without saying that you fed HP information that somehow was revealed later by Rashan... all Rashan did was give up the name of your alleged team, which you have denied.

[Kaschan]

Mockra, on 26 May 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 26 May 2010 - 04:48 PM, said:

Dead thread is dead.

No kidding.

So you never really clarified for me about the HP business. Clearly you were correct about Rashan, but I don't see how you can tie HP to Rashan without saying that you fed HP information that somehow was revealed later by Rashan... all Rashan did was give up the name of your alleged team, which you have denied.

Whats to clear up?

[Meanas]

In the last game there were some players who didn't cf as scum while they were.

What if say HP didn't know any other member of the European faction and he gets talking to HP and something off, is he feeds HP people he knows aren't Europeans and lo and behold it the same list that Rashan spouts.

Cause if Kaschan is scum the only reason to take out Rasshan is in an attempt to PI himself, but the way he has done it has drawn more attention unless he is trying to make us call his bluff.

[Mockra]

Well let's start with...

What did HP tell you about himself? Did he give you a role PM?

Who do you think killed HP if he was Syndicate?

[Mockra]

Meanas, on 26 May 2010 - 05:02 PM, said:

In the last game there were some players who didn't cf as scum while they were.

What if say HP didn't know any other member of the European faction and he gets talking to HP and something off, is he feeds HP people he knows aren't Europeans and lo and behold it the same list that Rashan spouts.

Cause if Kaschan is scum the only reason to take out Rasshan is in an attempt to PI himself, but the way he has done it has drawn more attention unless he is trying to make us call his bluff.

Well your theory only works if Kaschan knows the rest of his team and deliberately tells HP different names. And if any one of those people (Galain, Tellan, Olar Ethil) are actually Euro (other than Kaschan), then the theory also fails.

[Meanas]

True but that the only way I could see Kaschan being inno at the moment.

[Meanas]

Have the russians and japanese lost no one?

[Kaschan]

1. HP said initially he was EU. Then he said he was from a small faction - and had a chameleon ability that let him be found as whatever team investigated him. I never saw a role pm.

2. Someone that wasnt syndicate and had a vig, obviously. Someone with a knife or sword (probably a sword, because of the scene)

3. HP asked if I knew the rest of my team (this was in between his admission that he wasnt on my team, but after I caught him in a lie, cant remember which day), I said yep and threw out some names to see what he would do. Notice Galain in there, cant believe he bought that one, but I thought if he was scum (couldnt be 100 percent at the time) he might NK Galain, or avoid one of the names completely and give something away. It was/ still is a gamble, but it paid off in full. Not only did he not kill anyone, he gave the list to his lover/partner. I didnt expect tht at all.

[Mockra]

So you're saying that if one person were to claim that one of the other 3 people were actually Euro, you'd have to believe Kaschan is scum?

That's some really bad logic there, Meanas... Kaschan basically guaranteed Rashan's demise. I don't know if Rashan would have been lynched yesterday had Kaschan not spoken up. You're trying to claim that in this case, Kaschan sacrificed one player for another in a game that has all sorts of find-type powers?

[Mockra]

Meanas, on 26 May 2010 - 05:12 PM, said:

Have the russians and japanese lost no one?

Not to any deaths. I believe recruitment is still possible.

[Mockra]

Kaschan, on 26 May 2010 - 05:13 PM, said:

1. HP said initially he was EU. Then he said he was from a small faction - and had a chameleon ability that let him be found as whatever team investigated him. I never saw a role pm.

2. Someone that wasnt syndicate and had a vig, obviously. Someone with a knife or sword (probably a sword, because of the scene)

3. HP asked if I knew the rest of my team (this was in between his admission that he wasnt on my team, but after I caught him in a lie, cant remember which day), I said yep and threw out some names to see what he would do. Notice Galain in there, cant believe he bought that one, but I thought if he was scum (couldnt be 100 percent at the time) he might NK Galain, or avoid one of the names completely and give something away. It was/ still is a gamble, but it paid off in full. Not only did he not kill anyone, he gave the list to his lover/partner. I didnt expect tht at all.

OK, thanks.

[Meanas]

Sorry not thinking through there. But if Kaschan was trying to avoid european deaths he must know all the european players or has reason to believe that he knows all european players, he just can't go and take guesses, it detrimental to him if he accidently gives a european spy up to flush out HP. If it leads to other nation spies killed or scum plaqyers then it no skin off his nose.

[Kaschan]

Meanas, on 26 May 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

Sorry not thinking through there. But if Kaschan was trying to avoid european deaths he must know all the european players or has reason to believe that he knows all european players, he just can't go and take guesses, it detrimental to him if he accidently gives a european spy up to flush out HP. If it leads to other nation spies killed or scum plaqyers then it no skin off his nose.

I cannot respond to this, as it could be seen as a reveal, but if you think a little harder you will se why its no skin off my nose whether they are on my team or not.

[Mockra]

Meanas, on 26 May 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

Sorry not thinking through there. But if Kaschan was trying to avoid european deaths he must know all the european players or has reason to believe that he knows all european players, he just can't go and take guesses, it detrimental to him if he accidently gives a european spy up to flush out HP. If it leads to other nation spies killed or scum plaqyers then it no skin off his nose.

I already responded to that possibility. Euros need to be targeted by a lot of kill actions. Considering how many people have been not-killed in this game, I'd say that worked out pretty well. So I'm thinking he probably did give up some of his team, and some not of his team.

[Meanas]

Right

Just a letter question of opinion of play.

Let's say you're kaschan, you HP is looking shifty and he is requesting if Kaschan knows his own team.

What would you do,

assuming you knew a few or all the european players

1) give the names you have
2) swap the names you have with people you believe are not european
3) leave the names of european players that you think is shifty and then throw in a few other names of players who aren't european as well

3 i could see being advantageous but it is based on submitting the right names, while 2 will still allow you to prove that HP is not up to good if those people die off, but you are risking the chance that you aren't the first person he takes out to cover his tracks.