[Fener]

crazy
I skimmed most of the day, the info bomb is interesting, I've gotta run to footy, back later.

[Kaschan]

 Serc, on 26 May 2010 - 01:40 AM, said:

Well that seemed to go back and forward a lot. Despite what Rashan said i dont see who else could be the Bald guy that had his vote forced twice so i think he is probably still holding out on us for that.

@Kaschan
Thats interesting and seems like a silly thing for you to claim if your actually scum as you'd be the obvious lynch if he came up inno. So this coupled with the fact that he definitely does seem to be the bald guy and as such could be holding out on us

Vote Rashan

before i go to bed. I should be up way before the lynch if necessary

Cant promise Rashan will CF scum - HP didnt. I have the fin by my team mate AND the points when one of us connected with him. Thats my proof. You dont have to believe me, but its the right move. Plus, what benefit would Rash get outing "my entire team" if in fact he was just on a seperate inno faction? That was a scummy play, he called out those names to get them lynched, not to PI them.

= scum, off to bed

[Ruse]

Argh, conferences mean no time to play for me. Especially in a game with so much stuff to sift through. I don't want to be a complaint box, or an excuse box for that matter, so with what limited time I have, I will try to offer some insights on the relevant issues of the day.

It seems the Kaschan/Rashan issue is on the forefront. I will say that Kaschan seems genuine in his statements, but I'm not sure all his assumptions are accurate. What troubles me the most is that he says he got a finder to do a find on HP and it came back syndicate, but HP's CF was spy. I don't recall any scum from last game having a different CF alignment then what comes up on a normal find. In fact, I remember P-S stating explicitly that a CF and a player-action find are essentially the same thing, so something is really not adding up there for me.

Other things: According to Wikipedia, 25 percent of men suffer from baldness by the age of 30, and 67 percent by the age of 60. That is to say, I'm fairly certain there is more than one bald man. The guy who is getting his vote changed and the bald monk could easily be different people.

And I find the number of what appear to be failed kills, especially from the kunoichi, quite hilarious. One might even say that I am happily surprised.

[Ruse]

Also, the Internet keeps crapping out where I am staying, making this whole thing very frustrating. Plus, now it looks like everyone has left me...

[Omtose]

Missed end of day and night(dipshit=me)

I didn't have any choice, I ended up working a double shift and it just killed me. So I slept way to late today.

I have an unanswered PM I am waiting on before doing anything.

[Mockra]

I'll be hit and miss tonight. I am kind of with Ruse here... there's something highly odd about the reveal and HP's CF.

So... anyone see anything odd in the below lines...?

Quote

“Henry, come here. I think it is time we went to see for ourselves what all this trouble is about.”“I’m Skyping my wife at the moment, can we go in ten minutes?”
“I’m sure she has something to do… you know, mother those three little demons of yours, what were their names again? Urdr, Verdandi and Skuld?”
“Fine, we’ll go. Just stop insulting my children.”

Quote

"Harry, come here, bring that camera. I want to do an interview with this nice young man, who has just been the target of a most vicious assassination with, you can't believe it, a throwing star. Please sir, tell me, how did this happen?"

Quote

“We are here at the Silver Pavillion, on a moonlit night. It is absolutely beautiful here. In a few moments, we will tell you all about this mysterious Syndicate and its alledged dealings here in Japan. Of course, a lot is speculation but… Harry! Stop frolicking around, get up, you maniac. This isn’t live, but I wanted it in one take! Wait, who are you?”The blade took him in the throat, half a centimetre from the spine, pulled diagonally forward, severing the artery and the windpipe. The attacker turned one hundred and eighty degrees, lowered the blade, reversed his grip, and pulled it upward, inches away from the groin, severing tendons and more vital bloodvessels. He spun once more, the blade arcing, flicking the blood of it, then walked away without a glance at the journalist, whose desperate tries to cry for mercy caused the air pumping from his lungs to mix with the blood spouting from his throat into a pink, frothing cream.

Hood’s Path is dead, he was James Riche, a European Spy.

Teh 'Skype' man is Henry. The journalist ordering his partner around is Harry. Are they partnered? Or two different people? Or a P-S mistake? hrrrmmmmm

[Mockra]

And it seems unlikely that Henry and Harry are partners because HP was "James Riche." It seems more likely that the first man should really be talking to a "Harry" (or the second two "Henry"). In all cases, I think it's the same guy (Hood's Path, aka James Riche), talking to his reporter buddy (a non-player)

Now, I'm not going to say that it's "clear" from the scenes that the reporter/journalist wasn't scum, because I think Tapper is sick enough to give us scenes that suggest scum that are not really scum. And I'm sure he shows up in other scenes with other appearances. Maybe he even has one appearance for his 'symphood' and one for his 'scumdom' (those words are now copyright, fyi), like a reporter by day, a murderer by night, etc.

But who is the mysterious assailant? If HP was scum, then doesn't that mean his killer was likely Japanese or Russian since we know they can kill (from the Japanese VC and the Russian amended VC)? All we know is he uses a blade. The only other confirmed killer we've seen in the game is the martial arts guy that killed Emurlahn. We assume the ninja is a killer by the scene descriptions that indicate kill attempts, but it's just a well-reasoned theory right now without evidence.

I'd like to see some proof that Kaschan had about HP... surely he gave you a role PM or something to give you his trust if he was really syndicate?

[Rashan]

 Sheltatha Lore, on 25 May 2010 - 11:12 PM, said:

A good out, as in, you made that up?

Or if you weren't lying, do you still think Olar forced your vote (which could mean he's European, but syndicate scum) or now believe someone else did it?

I wasn't lying, I was mistaken. From what my PMs have said, and what Olar said, it sounded an awful lot like he actually knew what was in my vote-forcing PMs.

 Kaschan, on 25 May 2010 - 11:40 PM, said:

Rashan is scum. So was HP. A EU player made a lover connection with HP day 1 - and was told he was EU. Yet, when PS posted the Points, we had received 4 points. At that point we had made 2 connections and HP was one of them. When confronted HP said he had a chameleon ability and was on another team. He would come up found as whoever investigated him. This meant that Either HP was on another nationality, or was syndicate.

Ok, I let that slide. for 2 days nothing, I played my game, he played his, we didnt have much to say to each other.

Then I started watching how he played, and I thought, he might be scum. By then I had found another EU player. I wont say who, but that player had connected to a few of you, and put in a find on HP at my request.

You let a possible syndicate team member with whom you had a lover connection just sit there for two days? At best he was another nationality, but you could have pressured him a bit. Next you've found another EU player (how convenient...you later deny you're on the EU team) who you're of course sure is EU, who does a find for you in proxy, who turns up HP as scum - you sure this other EU player isn't also scum, seeing as HP had a clean CF? The only problem I can see here is that HP admitted to you himself that he was not EU, I'll have a think on why that might be, but maybe you're lying about that.


He found HP as syndicate.

When HP CFed as EU, I knew he had to be scum. I never expected that he would be lovers with Rash and spit out all the bullshit I had fed him over the last 3 days. You are more than welcome to lynch me, but you have no idea how easy it was to play HP, I am so freaking hyped about that, I dont care if I get lynched.

Did I ever say HP was my lover? You're assuming this to be the case when clearly it is not - he was on my list of members who had performed an action against me and so I got their alignment.


It makes sense if he was syndicate that he would let his lover in on this, but I can't believe that Rash would just open that up with the possibility of fake info out there. He must have known/been banking on HP's EU CF.

If you look closely, you'll find I only posted my info after HP was dead anyway, but promised it before. You're implying I knew HP was going to die and also still assuming that HP's CF in any way changes what I planned to do.


As for my TEAM? why would I give known scum my entire team list? I suspected HP was scum as soon as PS said we had 4 points. Rash you dolt, at best you PI my entire team. At worst, you spit out names that mean dick to me and get lynched in the process. Either way, it was worth it. I bet HP is spitting nails.

You wouldn't...but then I didn't get the names from you or HP. You're assuming that I don't want to PI the entire Euro team, but I'm giving valuable info to the rest of the thread. Based on me being scum it may be a silly move, but as an inno it can only possibly be beneficial to everyone.



As you know I will most definitely be denying that I or any of the others are on my team. But either way, this is a good thing for town.

At least you got something right. Though why you're denying that you're on your own team confuses me a bit.


Vote Rashan

Questions?

My stuff in red.

[Ruse]

 Rashan, on 26 May 2010 - 03:39 AM, said:

 Sheltatha Lore, on 25 May 2010 - 11:12 PM, said:

A good out, as in, you made that up?

Or if you weren't lying, do you still think Olar forced your vote (which could mean he's European, but syndicate scum) or now believe someone else did it?

I wasn't lying, I was mistaken. From what my PMs have said, and what Olar said, it sounded an awful lot like he actually knew what was in my vote-forcing PMs.

 Kaschan, on 25 May 2010 - 11:40 PM, said:

Rashan is scum. So was HP. A EU player made a lover connection with HP day 1 - and was told he was EU. Yet, when PS posted the Points, we had received 4 points. At that point we had made 2 connections and HP was one of them. When confronted HP said he had a chameleon ability and was on another team. He would come up found as whoever investigated him. This meant that Either HP was on another nationality, or was syndicate.

Ok, I let that slide. for 2 days nothing, I played my game, he played his, we didnt have much to say to each other.

Then I started watching how he played, and I thought, he might be scum. By then I had found another EU player. I wont say who, but that player had connected to a few of you, and put in a find on HP at my request.

You let a possible syndicate team member with whom you had a lover connection just sit there for two days? At best he was another nationality, but you could have pressured him a bit. Next you've found another EU player (how convenient...you later deny you're on the EU team) who you're of course sure is EU, who does a find for you in proxy, who turns up HP as scum - you sure this other EU player isn't also scum, seeing as HP had a clean CF? The only problem I can see here is that HP admitted to you himself that he was not EU, I'll have a think on why that might be, but maybe you're lying about that.


He found HP as syndicate.

When HP CFed as EU, I knew he had to be scum. I never expected that he would be lovers with Rash and spit out all the bullshit I had fed him over the last 3 days. You are more than welcome to lynch me, but you have no idea how easy it was to play HP, I am so freaking hyped about that, I dont care if I get lynched.

Did I ever say HP was my lover? You're assuming this to be the case when clearly it is not - he was on my list of members who had performed an action against me and so I got their alignment.


It makes sense if he was syndicate that he would let his lover in on this, but I can't believe that Rash would just open that up with the possibility of fake info out there. He must have known/been banking on HP's EU CF.

If you look closely, you'll find I only posted my info after HP was dead anyway, but promised it before. You're implying I knew HP was going to die and also still assuming that HP's CF in any way changes what I planned to do.


As for my TEAM? why would I give known scum my entire team list? I suspected HP was scum as soon as PS said we had 4 points. Rash you dolt, at best you PI my entire team. At worst, you spit out names that mean dick to me and get lynched in the process. Either way, it was worth it. I bet HP is spitting nails.

You wouldn't...but then I didn't get the names from you or HP. You're assuming that I don't want to PI the entire Euro team, but I'm giving valuable info to the rest of the thread. Based on me being scum it may be a silly move, but as an inno it can only possibly be beneficial to everyone.



As you know I will most definitely be denying that I or any of the others are on my team. But either way, this is a good thing for town.

At least you got something right. Though why you're denying that you're on your own team confuses me a bit.


Vote Rashan

Questions?

My stuff in red.

I find the emphasized word very interesting. If the person reporting the find is syndicate, that would imply HP is not syndicate, so the finder is scum in addition to whom? The way that reads to me is that whatever alternate scenario you are positing, you know that HP is syndicate.

But maybe I am just being nitpicky. Mind clarifying your use of the word "also?"

[Rashan]

Yeah, that's nitpicky, lol. Additional word seeing as I'm talking from Kaschan's point of view - as far as he's concerned, HP was/is scum.

[Mockra]

Yeah that's grasping for straws. It made sense to me when I read it.

Now I'm not entirely sure what the best plan of action is. You were almost lynched and have responded in kind with an abundance of information, although you have no apparent information of the alignment of the Euros. Kaschan, seemingly in retaliation, has attacked you. The problem is we have no public knowledge of the truth of his claims. It makes sense for him attack you if he thinks his entire team is outed. (Obviously he will deny that they are outed.) I'm not sure it makes sense if he's outed if he's scum.

So Rashan, why would you out an entire team if you can't show us that any of them are Syndicate? How do you know that Olar was the 'last' Euro?

[Galain]

And I'm back. Sorry I didn't get a chance to post at all yesterday, was a terrible day at work. 12 hours running around with our heads off and pants down trying to fix a bunch of weird problems only to turn up this morning and find it was all the clients fault!
Good times indeed. Will go and try and catch up on whats gone on.

[Spite]

Umm... are we still level 3 or did i miss the level up?

[Mockra]

 Spite, on 26 May 2010 - 05:03 AM, said:

Umm... are we still level 3 or did i miss the level up?

I don't know if Tapper announced it but I believe we're all 4 now since we hit 1500 posts yesterday. 2000 today will make it Level 5.

[Rashan]

 Mockra, on 26 May 2010 - 04:39 AM, said:

Yeah that's grasping for straws. It made sense to me when I read it.

Now I'm not entirely sure what the best plan of action is. You were almost lynched and have responded in kind with an abundance of information, although you have no apparent information of the alignment of the Euros. Kaschan, seemingly in retaliation, has attacked you. The problem is we have no public knowledge of the truth of his claims. It makes sense for him attack you if he thinks his entire team is outed. (Obviously he will deny that they are outed.) I'm not sure it makes sense if he's outed if he's scum.

So Rashan, why would you out an entire team if you can't show us that any of them are Syndicate? How do you know that Olar was the 'last' Euro?

The problem is one of elimination now - we know a lot more than before my reveal, and in all likelihood I will be dead before the next day comes, either through lynch or through night actions, and my info would have died with me if I hadn't got it out. Best time to do that is early in the day when there's no rush to lynch and no "oh, you're just posting that to save your own skin" at L-1, we can actually discuss things reasonably now.

I don't know that Olar was the last Euro, just the last one I found.

And we have a set of players now who aren't so much of a mystery - I can't see there being more than 1 scum amongst each nationality, can you?

[Spite]

I thought as much just wanted to make sure i didn't miss it.

[Silanah]

Kaschan, some things about your scenario don't add up...you say you said virtually nothing to him for two days (days 2 and 3), despite having quite strong feelings that he was Syndicate. Then you claim you have been feeding him bullshit over the last few days. That implies constancy, whereas with so little info on day 1 you wouldn't be able to bullshit him so thoroughly that you're now practically prancing with glee over how diabolical you are. Then a find by one of your teammates turns up HP as Syndicate. The fact that he came up as Spy on his CF doesn't make sense then, because CF=find in Tapper's eyes. Unless by that stage (I think we were at level 3?) your lover's find ignored any disguising abilities. Also, why did you not even bother to build a case on him? In fact, I can't even remember you even mentioning his name at all. That's hardly good town play.

EDIT - switched 'his' for 'Tapper's'

This post has been edited by Silanah: 26 May 2010 - 05:27 AM

[Rashan]

Add to the fact that you have:

Day 1 - established comms.
Night 1 - did nothing.
Day 2 - ignore.
Night 2 - ignore.
Day 3 - become suspicious.
Night 3 - ask other Eu to do find.
Day 4 (today) - get HP's CF, get other EU's find results?

If I was you I'd be mighty suspicious of your other lover right now. Because if you were feeding HP 'bullshit' over the past 3 days it's impossible for you to have obtained the find result until today. Then let's not forget that your partner had to be on, had to submit a find before deadline, and get that result to you before you posted this morning.
At least I can see why you didn't do anything about HP's supposed scum-ness, as it's impossible for you to even have suspected him seriously until yesterday!

[Fener]

.k, finally, caught up, need to go to bed though, as it's like 2 AM
quick question: didn't Korv out Kas as an EU?

also, I find it interesting that the whole EU team decided to target Rashan., since supposedly how he learns their alignment.

all in all, lots to think about, i'll be back in the morning to see what's waht.

[Silanah]

 Rashan, on 25 May 2010 - 09:55 PM, said:

Well, seeing as Day has started, here's my info.

The euro team consists of Galain, Kaschan, Tellan and Olar Ethil. Galain makes the lot capable of talking together whereas Olar Ethil claims to be able to chose between making a lover connection and a find, and Tellan claims much the same.

Hood's Path was also in there. I obviously can't state how I got this info as it would compromise my role PM.

 Path-Shaper, on 25 May 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 2 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Spite, Tellan

11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

8 Votes for Rashan ( Liosan, Eloth, D'riss, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Tellan, Gamelon, Silanah, Kaschan [removed on GL and voted Rashan])
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Meanas ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Tellan ( Fener )

Players not voted: Galain, Hood's Path, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Spite

Interesting that all of them named by Rashan (besides Galain, who wasn't around at all) voted for him...and Kaschan after he accused OE of stuff, reason being 'to get info from lynch'.

Were you afraid of what he might know, Kaschan?