[Shadow]

Also, Galain, it is customary that when you edit a post, you write below what edits you made...

[Sheltatha Lore]

It seems a tad early to go faction hunting Shadow. The Europeans may be winning now, but there's a lot of game left and it could be easily just handed to the scum if we think like that.



edit: added europeans

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 21 May 2010 - 04:10 AM

[Galain]

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

So, the Europeans are still in the lead, huh?

Considering that the Americans have a victory condition to identify other factions, and they've already gotten some hypothetical points from doing it successfully, I'm inclined to believe that Korvalain was not merely guessing when he pronounced Kaschan as being European. And since the Europeans are currently in the lead, whilst I don't have anyone particularly pinging my scum radar at this time (at least not more than my experience tells me is perfectly normal for the average non-scum), I favour the option of voting for the European and hopefully halting that nationality's progress.

Vote Kaschan

Here where you said, that you believed Korvalain he wasn't guessing about the factions and said he was European. So your voting for a member of the town that is in the different faction from you trying to halt that nationalitys progess. Well thats how I read it anyway. Are you saying its something else?

[Silanah]

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 04:06 AM, said:

Fener, on 21 May 2010 - 04:05 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

So, the Europeans are still in the lead, huh?

Considering that the Americans have a victory condition to identify other factions, and they've already gotten some hypothetical points from doing it successfully, I'm inclined to believe that Korvalain was not merely guessing when he pronounced Kaschan as being European. And since the Europeans are currently in the lead, whilst I don't have anyone particularly pinging my scum radar at this time (at least not more than my experience tells me is perfectly normal for the average non-scum), I favour the option of voting for the European and hopefully halting that nationality's progress.

Vote Kaschan

why not go for the Chinese, hmm?

Because the Euros are winning.

IIRC the Chinese, Americans and Euros have established 7 point win-conditions. As we don't know anything about voting counts and things like that, the Chinese could actually be winning at the moment. We just don't know.

EDIT - you're an idiot Silanah. Confirm your facts before you post something like that. Jeez!

This post has been edited by Silanah: 21 May 2010 - 04:13 AM

[Fener]

latest PS update:

Path-Shaper, on 20 May 2010 - 08:03 PM, said:

She put on a tiny silver chain, and smoothed the light yellow skirt of the high necked dress she was wearing. Then, she turned to the microphone. "Ladies and gentlemen of Radio Tokyo, thank you for granting me the opportunity for a short radio interview. Our ministry of national security appreciates the opportunity to broadcast our views. It is their opinion that the Americans, the Chinese and the Europeans are currently matched in at least one objective, and competition is fierce.

The Americans, the Chinese and the Europeans have currently satisfied their 7 point victory conditions.

~~

He put his leather jacket on, secured the pearl gripped Desert Eagles in their holsters under either armpit, and picked up the sledgehammer, which he put in the back of the Toyota SUV. Tonight, he'd take on all comers, and show them that some things can not happen as long as one man stands in their way.

Shadow, wanna comment?

[Shadow]

Sheltatha Lore, on 21 May 2010 - 04:09 AM, said:

It seems a tad early to go faction hunting Shadow. The Europeans may be winning now, but there's a lot of game left and it could be easily just handed to the scum if we think like that.



edit: added europeans

Granted, but at the moment I find myself at a loss to find the scum. There's still plenty of time left in the day for me to change, and frankly a controversial move like this is exactly what's needed to broil some more turmoil and hopefully find a slip-up from the scum. Might even be Galain. I just hate that the days are only 24 hours as it means I'm constantly absent or low-posting-from-work at day's end and can't necessarily get in on the juicier end-of-day catches and action.

Plus I really thought that Korvalain's info reveal deserved some more attention.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Fener, on 21 May 2010 - 03:59 AM, said:

re-reading the scenes....

we suppose that Korv might have gotten info on 2 players. who could he be in the scenes?

also, there are a total of 3 mentions of "the chess player" so far.... if we suspect he's Syndicate, he's also been very busy. perhaps that's the best place to start looking?

Scene

Quote

She made careful piles of the shirts, socks and trousers of the man whose room she was raiding. Nothing. Then, she noticed a chess piece on the night stand. A rook. From there, the clues were easy to follow - who he was, what he did. A smile broke through her hard features. Within a minute, the room was as it had been before.

Sounds like someone might know who the chess player is. Are you implying it's you Fener?

[Shadow]

Galain, on 21 May 2010 - 04:10 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

So, the Europeans are still in the lead, huh?

Considering that the Americans have a victory condition to identify other factions, and they've already gotten some hypothetical points from doing it successfully, I'm inclined to believe that Korvalain was not merely guessing when he pronounced Kaschan as being European. And since the Europeans are currently in the lead, whilst I don't have anyone particularly pinging my scum radar at this time (at least not more than my experience tells me is perfectly normal for the average non-scum), I favour the option of voting for the European and hopefully halting that nationality's progress.

Vote Kaschan

Here where you said, that you believed Korvalain he wasn't guessing about the factions and said he was European. So your voting for a member of the town that is in the different faction from you trying to halt that nationalitys progess. Well thats how I read it anyway. Are you saying its something else?

Oh please, Galain, don't try to pretend that you think PI somehow means something other than not-syndicate. Me believing that Kaschan is European has no effect on whether he is syndicate or not. You, on the other hand, seem to be saying otherwise for some reason...

[Liosan]

I recall that a PS post explicitly stated, if the game ended today the Europeans would win.

[Silanah]

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 04:13 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 21 May 2010 - 04:09 AM, said:

It seems a tad early to go faction hunting Shadow. The Europeans may be winning now, but there's a lot of game left and it could be easily just handed to the scum if we think like that.



edit: added europeans

Granted, but at the moment I find myself at a loss to find the scum. There's still plenty of time left in the day for me to change, and frankly a controversial move like this is exactly what's needed to broil some more turmoil and hopefully find a slip-up from the scum. Might even be Galain. I just hate that the days are only 24 hours as it means I'm constantly absent or low-posting-from-work at day's end and can't necessarily get in on the juicier end-of-day catches and action.

Plus I really thought that Korvalain's info reveal deserved some more attention.

Simply because we have no clue who the scum are doesn't mean we should stop scum-hunting and use a lynch on someone simply because their team is winning, and not look at their possible scumminess. Remember, scum-town game first, faction second. I agree with your frank assessment though, Galain is one of the next targets of my re-reads.

[Shadow]

Fener, on 21 May 2010 - 04:13 AM, said:

latest PS update:

Path-Shaper, on 20 May 2010 - 08:03 PM, said:

She put on a tiny silver chain, and smoothed the light yellow skirt of the high necked dress she was wearing. Then, she turned to the microphone. "Ladies and gentlemen of Radio Tokyo, thank you for granting me the opportunity for a short radio interview. Our ministry of national security appreciates the opportunity to broadcast our views. It is their opinion that the Americans, the Chinese and the Europeans are currently matched in at least one objective, and competition is fierce.

The Americans, the Chinese and the Europeans have currently satisfied their 7 point victory conditions.

~~

He put his leather jacket on, secured the pearl gripped Desert Eagles in their holsters under either armpit, and picked up the sledgehammer, which he put in the back of the Toyota SUV. Tonight, he'd take on all comers, and show them that some things can not happen as long as one man stands in their way.

Shadow, wanna comment?

This:

Path-Shaper, on 20 May 2010 - 06:32 PM, said:

The black haired woman in the Rei Kawakubo outfit stepped close to the ambassador. "Sir, you're expected to make a statement concerning all the recent upheavals in Tokyo, and the involvement of foreign intelligence."
"Hmm, yes. So what should I say?"
"Sources indicate that out of those who are seemingly involved, it is the Europeans who are ahead of the game. Maybe mention that?"
"Yes, let Brussels worry about it."

If the game was to end right now, the Europeans would win.

[Gamelon]

I'm checking in one last time before bed, and the thread's apparently picked up a bit.

No one is PI at this point; nationality doesn't mean shit. While that "criminal elements" thing might be worth taking a look at for Omtose and Kaschan, it's silly to lynch people just because their nationality--which, at this point while we're still hunting scum, is not of the greatest importance--is of the winning team.

edit: I interrupted my own thought; fixed that

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 21 May 2010 - 04:18 AM

[Silanah]

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 04:16 AM, said:

Fener, on 21 May 2010 - 04:13 AM, said:

latest PS update:

Path-Shaper, on 20 May 2010 - 08:03 PM, said:

She put on a tiny silver chain, and smoothed the light yellow skirt of the high necked dress she was wearing. Then, she turned to the microphone. "Ladies and gentlemen of Radio Tokyo, thank you for granting me the opportunity for a short radio interview. Our ministry of national security appreciates the opportunity to broadcast our views. It is their opinion that the Americans, the Chinese and the Europeans are currently matched in at least one objective, and competition is fierce.

The Americans, the Chinese and the Europeans have currently satisfied their 7 point victory conditions.

~~

He put his leather jacket on, secured the pearl gripped Desert Eagles in their holsters under either armpit, and picked up the sledgehammer, which he put in the back of the Toyota SUV. Tonight, he'd take on all comers, and show them that some things can not happen as long as one man stands in their way.

Shadow, wanna comment?

This:

Path-Shaper, on 20 May 2010 - 06:32 PM, said:

The black haired woman in the Rei Kawakubo outfit stepped close to the ambassador. "Sir, you're expected to make a statement concerning all the recent upheavals in Tokyo, and the involvement of foreign intelligence."
"Hmm, yes. So what should I say?"
"Sources indicate that out of those who are seemingly involved, it is the Europeans who are ahead of the game. Maybe mention that?"
"Yes, let Brussels worry about it."

If the game was to end right now, the Europeans would win.

The posts about 7 point VCs being fulfilled came after that, so it's not a definite that the Europeans are still winning.

Path-Shaper, on 20 May 2010 - 08:03 PM, said:

She put on a tiny silver chain, and smoothed the light yellow skirt of the high necked dress she was wearing. Then, she turned to the microphone. "Ladies and gentlemen of Radio Tokyo, thank you for granting me the opportunity for a short radio interview. Our ministry of national security appreciates the opportunity to broadcast our views. It is their opinion that the Americans, the Chinese and the Europeans are currently matched in at least one objective, and competition is fierce.

The Americans, the Chinese and the Europeans have currently satisfied their 7 point victory conditions.

~~

He put his leather jacket on, secured the pearl gripped Desert Eagles in their holsters under either armpit, and picked up the sledgehammer, which he put in the back of the Toyota SUV. Tonight, he'd take on all comers, and show them that some things can not happen as long as one man stands in their way.

EDIT - I do see where you're coming from, even if I don't agree with the strategy.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 21 May 2010 - 04:20 AM

[Liosan]

And the Euros had points due to Lover Comm's, and thus nothing has been changed about that. It's not 100%, but I'm guessing it's still far above 50% at this point.

[Galain]

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 04:15 AM, said:

Galain, on 21 May 2010 - 04:10 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

So, the Europeans are still in the lead, huh?

Considering that the Americans have a victory condition to identify other factions, and they've already gotten some hypothetical points from doing it successfully, I'm inclined to believe that Korvalain was not merely guessing when he pronounced Kaschan as being European. And since the Europeans are currently in the lead, whilst I don't have anyone particularly pinging my scum radar at this time (at least not more than my experience tells me is perfectly normal for the average non-scum), I favour the option of voting for the European and hopefully halting that nationality's progress.

Vote Kaschan

Here where you said, that you believed Korvalain he wasn't guessing about the factions and said he was European. So your voting for a member of the town that is in the different faction from you trying to halt that nationalitys progess. Well thats how I read it anyway. Are you saying its something else?

Oh please, Galain, don't try to pretend that you think PI somehow means something other than not-syndicate. Me believing that Kaschan is European has no effect on whether he is syndicate or not. You, on the other hand, seem to be saying otherwise for some reason...

Unless you think he's a symp then he's a PI yes. Someone else has revealed that he's a member of the town (which you have said you believe) and then you have voted accordingly for that person, you have said you are voting for him because he's a member of town, but in a different faction. Not because he's a symp, or syndicate, which in IMO is wrong.

[Olar Ethil]

Hola!

All caught up.

I agree with Shelatha. It's still early to go faction hunting. While this in no way PI's Kaschan, I am more inclined to go after someone who has looked scummy. I'll be honest Shadow going after the 2 outed people, one of whom is on the team in the lead seems like taking the very easy way out. That seems scummy. At least Kaschan contributes and throws out theories. I would rather go after somone who seems to be cruising, or at the least not contributing. Thats how I feel.

[Shadow]

They were both on Day 3, however, and since votes are only counted at the end of the day there could not have been a difference between the start of Day 3 and the middle of it. Ergo, I don't think there were significant changes between the two announcements.

edit: @ Sil

This post has been edited by Shadow: 21 May 2010 - 04:23 AM

[Gamelon]

When did anyone say he was a member of town? Alignment != Nationality

edit: xpost, that was @galain

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 21 May 2010 - 04:25 AM

[Silanah]

Galain, on 21 May 2010 - 04:22 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 04:15 AM, said:

Galain, on 21 May 2010 - 04:10 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

So, the Europeans are still in the lead, huh?

Considering that the Americans have a victory condition to identify other factions, and they've already gotten some hypothetical points from doing it successfully, I'm inclined to believe that Korvalain was not merely guessing when he pronounced Kaschan as being European. And since the Europeans are currently in the lead, whilst I don't have anyone particularly pinging my scum radar at this time (at least not more than my experience tells me is perfectly normal for the average non-scum), I favour the option of voting for the European and hopefully halting that nationality's progress.

Vote Kaschan

Here where you said, that you believed Korvalain he wasn't guessing about the factions and said he was European. So your voting for a member of the town that is in the different faction from you trying to halt that nationalitys progess. Well thats how I read it anyway. Are you saying its something else?

Oh please, Galain, don't try to pretend that you think PI somehow means something other than not-syndicate. Me believing that Kaschan is European has no effect on whether he is syndicate or not. You, on the other hand, seem to be saying otherwise for some reason...

Unless you think he's a symp then he's a PI yes. Someone else has revealed that he's a member of the town (which you have said you believe) and then you have voted accordingly for that person, you have said you are voting for him because he's a member of town, but in a different faction. Not because he's a symp, or syndicate, which in IMO is wrong.

Where did somone reveal Kaschan was town?

All I can remember is Korv called him Euro and Fener and I speculated that he could be the criminal elements woman.

[Shadow]

Galain, on 21 May 2010 - 04:22 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 04:15 AM, said:

Galain, on 21 May 2010 - 04:10 AM, said:

Shadow, on 21 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

So, the Europeans are still in the lead, huh?

Considering that the Americans have a victory condition to identify other factions, and they've already gotten some hypothetical points from doing it successfully, I'm inclined to believe that Korvalain was not merely guessing when he pronounced Kaschan as being European. And since the Europeans are currently in the lead, whilst I don't have anyone particularly pinging my scum radar at this time (at least not more than my experience tells me is perfectly normal for the average non-scum), I favour the option of voting for the European and hopefully halting that nationality's progress.

Vote Kaschan

Here where you said, that you believed Korvalain he wasn't guessing about the factions and said he was European. So your voting for a member of the town that is in the different faction from you trying to halt that nationalitys progess. Well thats how I read it anyway. Are you saying its something else?

Oh please, Galain, don't try to pretend that you think PI somehow means something other than not-syndicate. Me believing that Kaschan is European has no effect on whether he is syndicate or not. You, on the other hand, seem to be saying otherwise for some reason...

Unless you think he's a symp then he's a PI yes. Someone else has revealed that he's a member of the town (which you have said you believe) and then you have voted accordingly for that person, you have said you are voting for him because he's a member of town, but in a different faction. Not because he's a symp, or syndicate, which in IMO is wrong.

Remove Vote
Vote Galain

Either you are scum who made a huge slip and are trying to talk your way out of it by pushing it along, or you have not even bothered to read the most elementary rules of the game. Either way, we're better off without you far moreso than Kaschan.

edit: xpost with the two above for added sincerity!

This post has been edited by Shadow: 21 May 2010 - 04:26 AM