[Liosan]

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 08:31 PM, said:

Liosan, on 07 May 2010 - 08:27 PM, said:

I was not on the train to lynch HP. Double check your facts there buddy.

I said [either - or].

Am I not speaking English, or are you gonna accuse me for weak reading comprehension here as well?

Yeah. I miss read that sorry.

[Mockra]

Again, people, you need to go back into the thread and read it.

Here's how it started:

Liosan, on 06 May 2010 - 07:00 AM, said:

So we started with 11 players. I'm guessing that 3 are scum (beef, chicken, fish) that would leave 8 innocents in the game. If we just lost 2 innos then the ratio is down to 6:3 or 2:1 innocents to scum. Those are not good numbers. If we completely miss out on lynches I say we only have about 2-3 days tops to throw the meat on the barbee.

Back to what I mentioned earlier. The NK of Barghast has really thrown me. I was all ready to go after HP, Barghast and possibly Korbas but know I've been mind fucked and don't know what the NK of Barghast really means.

Galain can you please explain your suspicions of Mockra more? What exactly did he say that put him high on your suspicion list? He stood out to me a bit but not in a scummy way.

Liosan speaks about the NK, and asks Galain to 'explain' his thoughts. Notice how he -conviniently- says that
Bargast NK has completely thrown him off, and doesn't know what to do? Notice how he then later on comes strolling in
this thread saying Galain was killed because he voiced his suspicion on me?!?!How convinient! See the patern? Well, read on...



Post 266 to Post 300: Here's the pissing contest between me and D'riss. Thats MORE than half a page. I really have no answer as to how someone skimmed an entire half a page of the thread, unless he's on a mission.

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 08:03 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 May 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

oh man... you realize if there is 2 scum, that you just outed yourself. and likely your guard had no effect, and the healer in fact saved the kill last night

I think we were heading for a D'riss lynch anyway. damn.

Yes, but it's a risk I'm willing to take. From my standpoint it looked like there was a good chance I was going to be a prime candidate for lynching today, so if I do end up going out tonight I'd rather give potatoes a good chance to win. D'riss was already #2 on my list of suspects, so I'm willing to make whatever sacrifices are necessary to take him down before/if I go.

Korbas clearly says he has someone ELSE as No 1 Suspect.

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 08:34 PM, said:

Galain, on 06 May 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

.. Man, you should've withheld this at least until you were properly pressured. For now you cannot know whether there's only one killer or the kill was blocked by a healer or a bp and not your guard. To be honest I doubt that it was your guard as that would mean just one killer which sounds unlikely.

However, I agree with previous posters in that D'riss acted very suspiciously yesterday, and I believe I commented on it then too, so even though your guard most likely didn't affect the outcome of the night that certainly does not exonerate D'riss.

The problem at this point though is that we're 8 players, which means that in a 3 scum (2 killers, 1 symp) game, we're on d-day today unless any of the potatoes so far dead was the symp. It's quite possible that there is no symp and 2 killers alone, but I find the extra symp more likely all in all. Ergo, Korbas' claim could simply be an elaborate ploy to ensure the lynch of a non-scum player. It's hardly unheard of.

Man, these games make me paranoid.

We need to get a scum lynched tonight or it's pretty much game over. I'm hoping one of the healers (if there are 2 and both are still alive) protects me tonight, but if not oh well. A successful D'riss lynch that reveals he's scum will put us in a much better position even with my death, as at this point I'm going to say it's either Liosan and Mockra. Granted, I don't have any concrete evidence against either of them at this point, it's just a gut feeling.

Notice Korbas brings up my name and Liosans name. If Liosan manages to frame me, he will instantly have Korbas as his backup. Still can't see a patern? Moving on...

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 09:13 PM, said:

Okay, after reviewing the thread I'm going with D'riss and Liosan as killers. D'riss and Mockra were going at each other pretty harshly back there. True, it could have just been an attempt to divert attention from themselves, but right now Liosan seems a bit more suspicious for two reasons. First, he hasn't been posting much and hasn't had much of any contact with D'riss (at least that I saw, I went over stuff pretty quick. Secondly, this caught my eye...

Liosan, on 05 May 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

There is no guarantee that the killer(s) were able to put in a change as to who they wanted killed as it looked likely that Barghast would have been taken out on the next day's lynch as that speculation happened with very little time left in the day. Or it could be that the killer was threatened by what Barghast had to say. For example: "Shit my name came up by this guy as being a killer, this guy needs to go like yesterday"

Though if the killer was trying to create a lot of confusion and direct attention away from themselves they may have saw this as an opportunity. For example. "Barghast put these two names down. Neither one of them is me/us if we NK him then everyone will think the killer was threatend by what he had to say. Then all the stupid spuds will naturaly assume that one of these people listed must be meat. Ha Ha Ha. Perfect"

Head hurts must have Vodka. (is that canabalistic wanting vodka?)

A call out to symps? Could be.

Korbas practically says Liosan is his No 1 suspect. Why was Korbas not dead this night? Because Liosans killing plan involved Korbas on this day to back up his votes... Again can't see a patern? Moving on...

Korbas, on 06 May 2010 - 09:22 PM, said:

D, on 06 May 2010 - 08:59 AM, said:

I think we can find the scum in Fener, mockra, Osseric...and perhaps Korbas.
With HP as a possible symp.



IF i had to pick one....i would probably have to go for Mockra.

No Liosan on this list, possibly trying to keep attention away from his fellow killer.

More thoughts from Korbas about his suspect... If you can not understand that Liosan is under heavy surveilance by Korbas, then we are playing a different game.

Liosan, on 07 May 2010 - 05:24 AM, said:

A few thought:

Mockra, on 06 May 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:

Ok, back before bedtime, and this is getting intresting.
Korbas revealed.. Don't know how helpfull that will be, if his claims are true.

However, no night kill which is good - yet I can't pinpoint the reasons behind it with 100% accuracy.
I believe this is classic M&P game. There was a reason another M&P started just as the previous one ended.It was advertised as such.I have resonable doubts that a single guard can stop a solo killer or paired killers, as it looks like the scenario we currently have.

There are people that are under some pressure (Korbas, D'riss) , a larger group of people (including Galain, Osseric, Ampelas,Fener) who haven't been under any kind of continuous pressure, and then there is one single person who has not been under ANY pressure at all: Liosan.

I don't know why people do not consider everyone as their suspects.If we don't do that, we miss potential points, and we're simply making things easy for people to fly under the radar.

In my point of view I believe we have at least 1 symp in the first group, and I'm leaning towards Korbas. Why? Because he is trying to pull us on a lynch D'riss-Lynch Liosan plan.I don't like agreeing with such plans, they reak of scum.If D'riss CFs as inno, then Liosan will have an easy ride, as people turn on Korbas on a possible D-Day. On the other hand, D'riss has been jumping in shadows left and right, so in my opinion he has less chances of being a symp and more of an inno or a killer.However if he is symping , he's doing a great job because he's not redirecting anything anywhere basically, so we can't directly connect him with someone.

Now, we potentially have a killer in the larger group. Most of these people have been quick to vocal suspicions of others, and some with good grounds, but neither has been under any reasonable pressure so far. If we HAPPEN to have both killers in that group, then we're sitting ducks and we deserve to lose I guess.Well played.I haven't found anything noteworthy in regards to these four, and if I had to take a wild guess I would say one of Galain-Osseric-Ampelas followed slightly behind by Fener.

And that brings me to the final suspect, Liosan. No notable pressure, no real imput to help our case here.Perfect play and smooth ride so far.

The fact that Korbas mentions him, and D'riss not mentioning him, is starting to make me feel more and more suspicious of him.Both have reasons to do so if they are symps, Korbas for reverse psychology reasons and D'riss for obvious reasons.

So, in the light of putting more pressure on someone who has NONE so far, and demand more explanations of him I will

vote Liosan

First, this screams to me as someone trying to pass themselves off as a potato so people are much more likely to listen to what you say.

Second, the arguement on D'riss is reasonable so there should be pressure on him. Korbas I'm not sure about especially with his reveal. Either he is telling the truth or he wants a healer to protect him so a kill will more likely go through tonight.

Third, to add to my second point, any attempt to blindly direct attention to someone for no other reason than to take pressure away from someone with some serious fith on them tells me Mockra that you are probably a symp.

So the question is who are you symping.... Most likely D'riss.

Vote D'riss

Lets see if Korbas is right.

I'm symping for D'riss? The guy who I litteraly got into a 34 post pissing contest (266 post to 300 post) and now I am SYMPING for him? Am I retarded?

Liosan, on 07 May 2010 - 05:58 AM, said:

remove vote

Actually I won't be back on until a few hours before the day ends. I fully intend to stick with my vote but I want to check in before the end of the day to make sure that I don't miss anything important.

Remove vote from D'riss? Seriously? Why? Is it because you know we innos will simply jump on him and poke his eyes out?

Korbas, on 07 May 2010 - 12:01 PM, said:

Judging by your freak out reaction, D'riss, I'd say we found our meat. I can't think of an inno who would go into so many posts just to try to defend theirselves. That said, I am willing to change my vote and get Liosan out of the way first, however I'm more confident D'riss is a killer than Liosan (but only by a little bit). Liosans last posts have given me a very funny feeling, and all but cleared my suspicion from you, Mockra. Whatever happens, we need a lynch today.

Again, Korbas states he is highly suspicious of Liosan. If Liosan plays a move somewhere down the road, he clears his name and frames me as well. Two birds with one stone.




-continued on the post right after-

[Mockra]

-And NOW ladies and gentlemen, we come to the KEY post of the day-

Korbas, on 07 May 2010 - 12:25 PM, said:

I don't want Fener, Osseric, Mockra, or Galain to be lynched. Have fun getting everyone to agree to lynch one of them, or myself, D'riss.

For my offline comment, I was still trying to find the reason of why it made my suspicious. I got an answer, and thinking about it that answer made a hell of a lot of sense. Revealing so early and without 100% proof could prove to be deadly, but waiting around and lynching another inno/lynching me/not lynching anyone today would just as much if not more deadly.

Yes, I could be scum with a fake reveal in an attempt to throw everyone off. Who would be the other scum, then? I've voted for Galain, Ampelas and Osseric voted for me at one point. Which leaves Liosan who I've voiced suspicions against, and Fener. Up to you guys whether or not to make anything of that.

I asked, not begged, for a heal. If it is a two killer game, I won't even need it after your lynch as I'll be guarding Liosan, so long as my suspicions are correct.

I made a ballsy, quite possibly idiotic move, and will go down as a retarded inno if I'm wrong. However, given Dday we have to take risks, and I'm comfortable with the two accusations I've made.

Really?!? Come on. Can you now come strolling in the thread saying all these things you say? And Korbas, how can you believe him? How can the rest of you believe him???!? He KNEW Korbas would be guarding him tonight. He PLANNED on this. The evidence is right there. OPEN YOUR EYES!!

Liosan, on 07 May 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 08:50 AM, said:

Ok, combo breaker for D'riss, since he dominates posting and words flying everywhere and all around the thread- feel free to continue after this

Liosan, on 07 May 2010 - 05:24 AM, said:

First, this screams to me as someone trying to pass themselves off as a potato so people are much more likely to listen to what you say.

Second, the arguement on D'riss is reasonable so there should be pressure on him. Korbas I'm not sure about especially with his reveal. Either he is telling the truth or he wants a healer to protect him so a kill will more likely go through tonight.

Third, to add to my second point, any attempt to blindly direct attention to someone for no other reason than to take pressure away from someone with some serious fith on them tells me Mockra that you are probably a symp.

So the question is who are you symping.... Most likely D'riss.

Vote D'riss

Lets see if Korbas is right.

So arguements on D'riss are reasonable, but Korbas not? Just because he revealed? Woa, since when did we start believing in reveals but not taken them with a grain of salt?

If Korbas is a symp, he could be fake revealing to push a D'riss lynch and hope for a NK. If D'riss CFs inno, then he's cornered but if there's a NK in there its down to 6 people with all 3 scum potentially alive!Also, Liosan, if Korbas gets discredited, then the only one who gets to benefit the most at the moment, is you, so in my book its in your best intrest at the moment to direct all pressure on D'riss and keep Korbas around.Your vote on D'riss, but then your sudden backpedal makes me believe more and more you are into this.


As far as me symping for D'riss? Seriously? Did you even bother reading the pages back? Because it looks to me you simply skimmed a lot of posts there, and inno aren't the ones who do that, or should be doing that, so to speak.
I actually got into a pissing contest with D'riss simply because I strongly believed we cornered Hood's Path way too early instead of giving him some rope and getting more information out of him. And that's symping? Go back and read the freaking posts, we were almost at each others throat going on for a while.

Liosan you're my current No 1 suspect as a killer.
The fact that you did not bother to read the posts back with me and D'riss going at each other for a while reaks of scum.
The fact that you voted on D'riss, but then you suddenly remove your vote on grounds that you fully intend on 'not missing anything important' while you managed to miss the whole D'riss-Mockra pissing contest reaks of scum.
Your vote removal screams of someone who is almost set on a D'riss lynch train but doesn't want to bloody its hands early.


My vote stays until further notice.

You are right Mockra I did skim. Even when I don't skim I don't have any idea who said what 5 minutes after I read it. I suck at this game and not surprisingly this is the longest I've ever lasted in a game of Mafia. I still have no clue what half of the acronyms that you guys use mean even in the context of a conversation. It's like trying to translate a freaking foreign language without a dictinary.

Though one thing I'm most certain of is that you Mockra are scum. I don't know who you are allied with and I don't have a lot of proof nor the time or desire to find it. I'm busy at work. If you all want to lynch me go right ahead. Meat will probably win. I'm planning on a revel right before the day ends so if the Meat haven't won yet then it will hopefully give the remaining innos the ammo they need to pull out the win.

vote Mockra

There is the Oh My God You Suck vote, and there's proof he skimms the thread. There's his slip about his plan tonight as well.


And now we get to the final part of this fiasco:

Liosan, on 07 May 2010 - 04:54 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote D'riss



Okay everyone just as I promised my big reveal. I have a strong feeling that I will be night killed and I wanted everyone to have this info.

I am a baked potato (healer)

Now this is why I suspect Mockra to be Meat. Day one Mockra for some reason just caught my attention. There was nothing specific just the general feel of his posts. I thought that if he caught my eye he may have caught a killer's eye as well so I healed him that first night. You see how well that worked out for the spuds. Also, when I sent in my pm to pathshaper to heal Mockra he came back and was a bit too curious in my book as to wanting to know why I chose him to heal. (I presume because he wanted to laugh at me) I thought that was odd as well. Not sure if it was relevant but it struck a chord with me, nonetheless

How is this allowed to fly? How come hints about discussions with a mod are being used as evidence in this thread? My ear itched, Mockra is scum. I smelled my toenails and they reaked of Mockra scum. Seriously, please....

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Day two Galain laid down a list of three players that stood out as slightly scummy and the one that stood out the most was Mockra. So I asked Galain what made you suspicious of Mockra but Galain didn't respond. So to test out my suspicions I healed Galain that night and we didn't have a night kill. Now I know that Korbas claimed to guard someone at night but as I posted earlier that could be because of one of 4 reasons.

Again following the Galain excuse so people will follow his logic. Of course its in his best intrest that he should analyze the NK now, since its part of his plan.

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First the killer chose not to use his kill. Highly unlikely

Stating the obvious.

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Second Korbas guarded D'riss and so the kill didn't go through. Possible but I'm in the shared kill boat for the two killers so I think it unlikely.

M&P game, but he NEEDS people to believe that Korbas IS indeed a guard. Why? Because Korbas plays a vital part in his framejob plan, thats why.

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Now the third and fouth options are both highly, and equally likely. So If I'm wrong then I just lost the innos the game but if I'm right then we will be able to pull the win out.

Third option is that the killer tried to take out the Loaded Baked Potato and ran into the BP. If this happened then we as spuds are probably fucked but if

Fouth option happened then the scum was threatened by Galain's comments and tried to take him out on night 2. That scum would be Mockra.

And this is his finishing touch. Pay CLOSE attention to it. His third option is the giveaway. Innocent players dont rely on the roles of a setup. Because we ALWAYS want to be aware of the worst case scenario. We need to know when that is, so we can try and find scums before that day comes. We can not base our plans on NAs, as those are more due to luck, than due to planning. Only one team plans their NAs. Team scum.

Again, notice the Fourth and Final option, which comes as a conclusion and Liosan thinks will be a nail in my coffin. Basing his actions on the Galain NK reasoning, while Galain VOICED concern on THREE people, not just me, he comes out revealing healer. Why healer? Because every single one of us was around, apart from Ampelas. Thats 10 out of the 11 starting people who could be healers, and noone had hinted any roles or reveals as of yet. So he has more than 90% chances to claim healer and noone counter-revealing. More so, his reveal is needed to MATCH his plan with Korbas actions. He NEEDS Korbas to gain majority today and push my lynch as he is not sure if there's a symp around, and noone in their right mind will vote night at the moment. He ALMOST got away with speed lynching me, and winning the game- if not for rational minds....


These are the facts.
This is the case.

Liosan is lying through his teeth, and is playing you all.
Its up to you to 'see' through this bluff, and not allow him to rub it in our faces.



EDIT: Fixed quote boxes.

This post has been edited by Mockra: 07 May 2010 - 09:54 PM

[Korbas]

We need a smiley where the guy blows his brains out, it'd be fitting for me right now. I looked through my posts earlier to see if I had hinted at who I'd be guarding but completely missed that...which was a complete give away to Liosan.

Thoughts on who the other killer is?

[Osseric]

@ Mockra..... *slow clap* ........




That doesn't change the fact that Ampleas is the other Killer. Why then are you so opposed to an Ampleas Lynch? I know Fener aint Guilty ( well...93.2%) , I know, Korbas ain't Guilty, I know I aint Guilty. If you say you aren't that still leaves ampleas and Liosan.

Did you forget that by Fener not hammering you, and you claiming that thats why he's CI in your book, that leaves a possible scum team in your eyes of me, Liosan or ampleas. I'm down with an ampleas, fener's down with an ampleas, I think Korbas has his vote on ampleas... where is your vote?

Otherwise, You better come up with a case on me quick, cause thats your only other option. Because I am not voting Liosan, and if we are going to win, or lynch scum today I need to be on the train. Scum team is either Liosan/Ampleas or Mockra/Ampleas My money still says Mockra/Ampleas, I don't care which order we lynch them.

[Osseric]

I might be able to check the thread off and on the next 6 hrs. After that, i am with family ( my brother is back from Sweden ) and then mothers day sunday. So I won't be back till monday. I'll leave my vote on Ampleas if thats the route we want to go, I would also stick with Mockra.

( I swear to Bent.... Fener, if you are scum I am coming to where you live and shoving a bottle of Chopin in every orifice of your body and letting them drain until you cry tears of sweet delicious potato vodka)

remove vote

vote ampleas

ok, I am out, i'll try to check back occasionally. cheers.

[Korbas]

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 11:45 PM, said:

@ Mockra..... *slow clap* ........




That doesn't change the fact that Ampleas is the other Killer. Why then are you so opposed to an Ampleas Lynch? I know Fener aint Guilty ( well...93.2%) , I know, Korbas ain't Guilty, I know I aint Guilty. If you say you aren't that still leaves ampleas and Liosan.

Did you forget that by Fener not hammering you, and you claiming that thats why he's CI in your book, that leaves a possible scum team in your eyes of me, Liosan or ampleas. I'm down with an ampleas, fener's down with an ampleas, I think Korbas has his vote on ampleas... where is your vote?

Otherwise, You better come up with a case on me quick, cause thats your only other option. Because I am not voting Liosan, and if we are going to win, or lynch scum today I need to be on the train. Scum team is either Liosan/Ampleas or Mockra/Ampleas My money still says Mockra/Ampleas, I don't care which order we lynch them.

Osseric Liosan team, anyone? It seems you conviniently disregarded Mockra's argument besides the slow clap thing.

By saying you won't vote for Liosan today but you will vote for Ampelas, it gives us 1 more of the votes that we need. I'm sure Liosan would follow suit, and that would leave just one more inno to kill Amp unless I retract my vote...which I will be doing by the end of this post.

Your vote on Amp earlier could have just been an attempt to distance yourself from Liosan. You waited for me to take Liosan's bait (knowing I would) then jumped onto the Mockra train and if Fener or Amp had jumped on and voted it would have been game over. Throughout the game you've repeatedly claimed me as PI, and that removed my suspicion of you. Wrongly so, now that I look back at it.

Right now you're pushing for us to lynch Amp - he's on both of your two suspect teams. You're also voting for us to lynch him first - why? Because 1) I have my vote down for lynching him and quite probably 2) He's not a killer.

I've started to get the feeling that both killers are among our ranks and have been online today; I'm new to Mafia, but I don't think a killer would go for so long without logging on like Amp has.

remove vote

I'm going to wait to place my vote again and see what other people think, but in all likelihood I'll be voting Liosan.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. The clock is frozen, but lynches may continue.

6 players are alive
Ampelas,Fener,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

4 votes to lynch. 3 votes to go to night.


1 vote Ampelas (Osseric)

Not voted
Ampelas,Fener,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra

[Mockra]

Got back, just before bedtime, and boy don't we have another GEM here...

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 11:45 PM, said:

@ Mockra..... *slow clap* ........




That doesn't change the fact that Ampleas is the other Killer. Why then are you so opposed to an Ampleas Lynch? I know Fener aint Guilty ( well...93.2%) , I know, Korbas ain't Guilty, I know I aint Guilty. If you say you aren't that still leaves ampleas and Liosan.

Did you forget that by Fener not hammering you, and you claiming that thats why he's CI in your book, that leaves a possible scum team in your eyes of me, Liosan or ampleas. I'm down with an ampleas, fener's down with an ampleas, I think Korbas has his vote on ampleas... where is your vote?

Otherwise, You better come up with a case on me quick, cause thats your only other option. Because I am not voting Liosan, and if we are going to win, or lynch scum today I need to be on the train. Scum team is either Liosan/Ampleas or Mockra/Ampleas My money still says Mockra/Ampleas, I don't care which order we lynch them.

Osseric, really, if you are going to put words into my mouth, at least make sure I've said them first.
I NEVER said I will not vote for Ampelas. I specifically asked you as well why you voted for me so fast, and didn't consider the possibility of waiting for Ampelas to appear and explain.. and also why you didn't consider the possibility of Fener and explain.
Could it be the reason that you ride the train with your paired killer Liosan, knowing you guys will have Korbas backup, and hopefully wait for Fener to bite the hook and jump on it as well or even Ampelas joining the thread at the last minute and hammering me?Or are you trying to bait people into confessing who their the most primary suspects are, knowing fully well we can't aford a wrong lynch?

Is this DDay or not? Don't we have to lynch a killer today or not? Who would benefit the most out of a speed lynch but these THREE people on my bandwagon at that point? And why speed lynch? Is it because you know there is NO healer in game at the moment, so your NAs will go down fast, you will land a night kill right after my lynch and its down to 4 people with 2 killers - game over- in a matter of MINUTES? Where is Liosan now? Was your momentum not good enough for the speed lynch so you need to talk things over?

Again- is it possible Ampelas is a killer? Yes, everything is possible. Should I go down Ampelas throat right now? He's not here to defend himself for once, and he looks an easy distancing target for you. Yes, in my eyes, right this minute Liosan, Osseric and Ampelas have the biggest chances of being the killers.Should I blindly jump on Ampelas when Liosans actions scream of killer? Not on DDAY sir, I will consider it TWICE at least before I agree into lynching someone without at least some kind of reasonable evidence.Which is something so easily you and Liosan disregarded a few posts back there.

Are you trying to cloud the scenery here? Or you're simply spewing mud because Liosans elaborate plan was caught? Conveniently forgeting that this is DDay, and trying to focus attention on me or Ampelas or even Fener right there? Why don't you come out in the open and agree that you're absolutely FINE with either three of these because you know these three are innos and lynching one of them, coupled with a NK gives you the game?
Why did you NOT wait for Liosan to come answer to all this by himself? Do you have something to hide, Osseric? Are you afraid Liosan might slip, and potentially blow the entire plot away?

Is this NOT Mafia? Is this some reacharound? Everyone is guilty until proven otherwise.

This is DDay. I'm not gonna sit here, been proded around like a sheep, going down into arguements which are the three MOST possible suspects, who are PIs, who are CIs and when was the last time Linchey Lohan sniffed a line through her ear. We have to nail a killer scum THIS DAY. We can't afford any more mistakes or go based on information that we still have time. Who ever is trying to faulsely drive you through the entire thread right now, and praying on your hopes that we indeed have a healer here, and that healer will be able to save someone TONIGHT, if you goons lynch an inno, is Liosan, and he is LYING- You lot are following him without considering the fact that if he's lying then you simply lost the game because you are without a healer that could SAVE a kill tonight if he makes a lucky guess.

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 11:53 PM, said:

I might be able to check the thread off and on the next 6 hrs. After that, i am with family ( my brother is back from Sweden ) and then mothers day sunday. So I won't be back till monday. I'll leave my vote on Ampleas if thats the route we want to go, I would also stick with Mockra.

( I swear to Bent.... Fener, if you are scum I am coming to where you live and shoving a bottle of Chopin in every orifice of your body and letting them drain until you cry tears of sweet delicious potato vodka)

remove vote

vote ampleas

ok, I am out, i'll try to check back occasionally. cheers.

Oh, please.. Stop fake signaling and playing it innocent.It's getting old.Counting your eggs before they hatch will not fly around here.


I'm heading to bed.. Its already late...


This is Lynch-or-Lose Day. If you all want to go down to arguements about who the three most possible killers are, and who the symps were, and who this and who that, its fine.Keep ONE thing in mind though.You NEED to choose ONE that stands the MOST out of all these. Not based on luck, and not based on hearsay. We got it DOWN to here. This shouldn't be a coinflip.

My case? It all comes down to Liosan and Ampelas or Liosan and Osseric or even some crazy Liosan-Korbas fake double reveal (If this is the one, we deserve to be wtfpawned, they played it to perfection). I tried to pick other posts apart, tried to find other hidden clues or anything. So far I have come with nothing as incriminating as this case, though I start to believe that if Osseric keeps advocating ANY other lynch instead of Liosan, I'm gonna put him and Liosan as most likely paired killer. And based on that, I will put my money where my mouth is, because this is the ONLY one I firmly believe that can easily be assossiated with every other one of the above mentioned names.


vote Liosan

[Korbas]

vote Liosan

I'm going with Mockra on this one. If he's scum his username is very fitting, because he certainly fucked with my head. But I don't believe that to be the case. Hopefully Amp jumps on sometime this weekend and we can get a lynch, as I think Fener would be willing to go with this one.

Whatever happens, let's get this game done. Korbas out.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. The clock is frozen, but lynches may continue.

6 players are alive
Ampelas,Fener,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

4 votes to lynch. 3 votes to go to night.


1 vote Ampelas (Osseric)
2 votes Liosan (Mockra, Korbas)

Not voted
Ampelas,Fener,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra

Im off until the morning....

[Osseric]

wow... Well,Mockra I am sure you will get Ampleas on the train, the only question is if Fener buys your BS... Korbas, you might have just lost us the game. I suppose IF Liosan is guilty, amp might jump on to try to distance himself, if thats the case i suggest you guard me. I am not voting Liosan. Mockra, good job getting Korbas, I suppose those multi quote posts are good for luring the noobs. well played.

You are still basing your entire case around the fact that Liosan would fake reveal as a scum killer. I find this possibility remote at best. How the hell do you explain the no NK on night 2??? Explain it!!!!

Korbas please explain it to me. Did they really plan ahead, a non NK on night 2 so that they could pull this crap on day 4??? Sure you said you were going to guard liosan. ON NIGHT 3. honestly who the fuck cares who you guard, there are 2 killers!! your guard doesn't matter till we get one of them. W/E maybe I am being played by a wonderful fake reveal by Liosan. But I don't buy it.

on the plus side, if Liosan is guilty, you are making his partner jump on his train to get the lynch, so if you guard me, you will know I ain't a killer. and we can get the other killer the next night.

I'm out. I'll try to check in occasionally, but no promises.

[Osseric]

Before I go:

Korbas you admit there is a healer, right? Yes/No please circle one ( We suspect this because no NK on night 2)


if Yes: who is the Healer? Liosan/Other please circle one. ( Lisoan has claimed this role, if you chose other, who is the other? Why haven't they claimed healer?

if No: So you agree that the scum team set up a non NK on night 2 and perfectly manipulated circumstances to pull off a fake reveal on Day 4. (well, at least you give the scum team credit)



Mockra is dancing around the issue here. he puts up an absurd amount of posts to show what? that Korbas said he was going to guard Liosan night 3 and that Liosan knew about it and based his plans around it? awesome. That proves squat. The fact is Liosan claimed healer and no one else has. We had no Kill on night 2. there is a healer. who the hell is it if it isn't Liosan.

ok, i'm really out.

[Korbas]

At this point I don't think there's currently a healer around. D'riss could have been a lbp or a bp, thus the reason why Liosan didn't reveal until he was sure there'd be a lynch - he didn't want D'riss coming out to reveal and saying he was a healer. D'riss could have healed himself on Night 2 or been lbp and lost his 1 time heal.

[Mockra]

Osseric, take some deap breaths, for crying out loud.

If you happen to be Liosans partner, getting all paranoid and agitated doesnt help clear your name.
If you are an inno, I don't want you to be all rilled up and paranoid as it clouds your judgement and will not help you get to the bottom of this.

Also, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but have you actually considered the following possibility:

You are asking why there was no kill in night 2? Its simple. THEY FUCKED UP. Paired killers, with provisionals on a target, one of them talks over his thoughts and plans decides to change his provisional to another target while he waits for his partner to confirm.The other one arrives late, or doesnt take notice, BAM, no kill night. They screwed up, and we got lucky out of that. The question is how can they get back on track and potentially BENEFIT from it after it happened.

How else do you explain Korbas not been targeted last night? If you were a killer would you risk leaving a guard down to last 6 with your potential partner being lynched or prime candidate for lynching? Of course not.The only reason Korbas is alive is because he is needed for the entire framejob plan to work!

Look at that healer reveal. Look how late it was, when in fact it could have been much sooner.When in fact, it SHOULD HAVE BEEN much sooner! The only reason it was THAT late, is because its a lie, Liosan had to make sure noone else would reveal before him, and they NEEDED momentum to push a speed lynch, during a weekend freeze, when we have all the time in the world to re-evaluate things.If Liosan IS a healer, and he WAS trying to help team inno, the first thing he would make sure is reveal faster than nanoseconds before a lynch, and give Korbas ENOUGH time to change his provisional, which was THERE eons ago in posts for EVERYONE to see.Why would you reveal healer when you know a guard is ON YOU?!? It makes no bloody sense at all! Unless you have a hidden agenta, and you HOPE people didn't pay attention to it!

The entire thread was based on wifom, late accussations and late or close to late lynches.A reveal that late, could be the last card played to win the game, as people would jump on a bandwagon screaming bloody murder- and LOOK, they DID, and it almost worked!

[Korbas]

Mockra, on 08 May 2010 - 04:16 AM, said:

You are asking why there was no kill in night 2? Its simple. THEY FUCKED UP. Paired killers, with provisionals on a target, one of them talks over his thoughts and plans decides to change his provisional to another target while he waits for his partner to confirm.The other one arrives late, or doesnt take notice, BAM, no kill night. They screwed up, and we got lucky out of that. The question is how can they get back on track and potentially BENEFIT from it after it happened.

That's certainly a possibility, given that Liosan did arrive late to the lynching on day 2.

Liosan, on 06 May 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

He's right. Until we start eliminating options all there will be is speculation of "which way do we go George? which way do we go?" With all the hands stirring the pot, murkying up the water we will never get a clear picture. Honestly I don't think HP is a killer but I would like to know one way or another. Once that line of reasoning is over we will have something else to focus on. Let's be systematic about eliminating question marks then we have a clearer picture of what is happening.

Vote HP

EDIT: Fixed spelling error

This post has been edited by Korbas: 08 May 2010 - 04:30 AM

[Ampelas]

OK, I'm back. My apologies for not being around, RL stomped all over my plans yesterday and I couldn't get on around lynch time like I thought I would be able to. I see my name being bandied around a lot, which I find very suspicious - trying to push a lynch on the mysteriously absent player is always a good scum standbye. I also think the almost-speed-lynch on Mockra is very, very dodgy. Trying to push a lynch in the first couple of hours in a day is normally pretty suspiscious, even more so in a weekend freeze, even more more so when it's in all likelyhood D-Day. We have tons of time to make sure we get this right, being hasty only helps scum.

Now I know I am inno, and I believe Mockra has the most probable read on the situation. I'm not buying Lio's reveal - he revealed late, knowing he was going to be guarded. He then uses the fact that he was guarded as some sort of proof that he is in fact a healer. And he uses NK WIFOM to try drive a speed lynch on Mockra. On what is possibly D-Day. I'm sorry, I just dont see a healer playing like that.

vote Liosan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. The clock is frozen, but lynches may continue.

6 players are alive
Ampelas,Fener,Korbas,Liosan,Mockra,Osseric

4 votes to lynch. 3 votes to go to night.


1 vote Ampelas (Osseric)
3 votes Liosan (Mockra, Korbas, Ampelas)

Not voted
Fener,Liosan

[Liosan]

hey guys I just wanted to pop in and let you know that I will be out for most of the day.My wife decided at the last minute she wanted to do a garage sale so I've been busy helping her set up and now run the show. I'll try to get on as soon as I can.

Sorry.

[Mockra]

Osseric, your vision is so short sighted that you are 100% sure that Liosans reveal is true. You are putting our entire inno fate on the hands of a reveal, instead of our own abilities to distinguise scum from innos by the quality of their posts, and the arguements they use.In fact, you are so set on the roles, that you refuse to consider other possibilities in here.

Here's a small example:

Mockra, on 07 May 2010 - 07:21 PM, said:

Osseric, since you're so sure about me being a killer, find me a good enough reason why I wouldn't want to take a revealed guard out of the game with a NK.
You can't. It makes no sense at all.Leaving a revealed guard so late in game? What for? Potentially lose it?

Osseric, on 07 May 2010 - 07:25 PM, said:

You wouldn't want to take out a revealed guard because you KNEW there was a healer running around and that he would Likely heal the guard.

I ask a simple question: Why , in an 8 and very possible 6 man game, the killers wouldn't try to kill a revealed guard, instead leaving him around at such late stages, and risking one of them being lynched and the other locked down by the guard...

Now read your answer.Read it again.
Notice your structure. You are so convinced that there is a healer, that you actually say 'KNEW there was' instead of 'KNEW there MIGHT BE'.All, that from a post that had a hammer and a reveal , so late in the day!Nobody can really say that there IS a healer, apart from the guy who comes out with a convinient reveal!
Who among us here, can clearly come up and say with 100% accuracy that a healer is still among us? How do you not know that Eloth or Bargast were not a healer, how do you know D'riss was not a healer and in his anguish and despair, he let the entire flok here hang themselves for not listening to him.

Noone counted their eggs before they hatched. Liosans reveal landed right at the hammer. He fully said he intended to hammer! Until then, noone ever knew there was a healer, and noone ever counted on a healer to save our asses in this game. Because town NAs a lot of times are simply based on luck, rather than interaction and skill.Are you saying we're supposed to let luck decide the outcome of a Mafia game? Shit, lets start flippin coins from now on, heads scum win, tails town win, we can play 30 games per day that way.

Osseric, on 08 May 2010 - 03:15 AM, said:

Mockra is dancing around the issue here. he puts up an absurd amount of posts to show what? that Korbas said he was going to guard Liosan night 3 and that Liosan knew about it and based his plans around it? awesome. That proves squat. The fact is Liosan claimed healer and no one else has. We had no Kill on night 2. there is a healer. who the hell is it if it isn't Liosan.

Sigh.. Once again, I am not dancing around anything. Every single post I brought up there, is because its evidence of the framejob, and its burried in the back pages, so it needs to be brought up so people can finally see whats going on.Liosan knowing that Korbas will guard him proves that he needed to come forth way faster than when he actually did and never the less NOT hammer, and give Korbas enough time to remove his provisional and change his target, so he could be free to heal Galain if you bite what he says. The fact that he DIDNT speaks volumes that this is a fake reveal instead of a tricky and well played inno healer!
I already gave you an alternative as to why we didn't have a kill on night 2. You need more? How about D'riss being a loaded baked potato or a baked potato and the kill not registering because it hit his BP or hit his healed target? D'riss was so much all over the thread drawing attention with his behaviour that even if he came out with a reveal stating what he is, chances are EVERYONE would disregard it as they were so sure he's either a killer or a symp!

If all this has happened while we were down to the last 8, I would be the FIRST one to start an Ampelas train, and I would ride it and ride it until there is no blood left in his body, and it has turned to dust.But we're not. We're down to the last 6. And as proven by everything I have said, there are things you people have NOT considered, and it needed to be brought forth and said.